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[Mister Asterix]

The first thing I thought of with this title was Benson’s working title for High Time To Kill, A Better Way to Die, which I think is a more Bondian title. However, I can see ‘Another Way to Die’ working better in a love song.

[zencat]

I thought the same thing about the Benson title, Mr. A. In fact, I was just thinking of posting something about that. We so smart.

[Santa]

Does anybody else find themselves completely exhausted by the discussion that goes like this:

Member #1: It <whatever Bond news> is a terrible idea! It’s going to suck!
Member #2: You shouldn’t think that. You don’t know that.
Member #1: WTF! Are only positive opinions allowed here?!

I feel like the chain could so easily be broken by applying just a modicum of common-sense and/or self-control at any one of the three steps, yet so often…

Sigh.

'At least it will be better than the pile of excrement that was YKMN'
Is the above statement positive or negative?

[Johnboy007]

I don't see how Jack White is a safe choice. Surely that label better fits Leona Lewis, Duffy, and all of the other soon to be forgotten British pop fads. I'm almost tempted to say that Amy Winehouse fits the "safe choice" bill, too. Anything other than a ballad combining the likes of Amy Winehouse, Noel Gallagher, and Sting would suffer the same fate this song has.

At the very least this outing promises to be different. I'll take that over yet another boring Shirley Bassey tribute.

[marktmurphy]

As for this news, to be honest I'm not the least bit excited (though I'm happy as pie Arnold isnt involved, TWINE isnt exactly a stellar song, YKMN is great though, but that's because Cornell had a hand in it).

Exactly- Arnold's Bond songs have been just pasticjes so far; the ones he's had help (or even not involved with at all) have been more interesting and creative. At least Die Another Day is fresh and stands out amongst Bond songs; you may hate it, but at least it's not just there like TWINE.

[bond 16.05.72]

Judging by the amount of people who have said they don't even know Jack White or his music on this thread, how the hell is that safe?

At last EON have picked someone who isn't on the downslide of their career like practically every artists who's provided a theme for the last 30 years.

Yes there has been some gems here and there but the crap definetley out weighs the good.

Cornell was huge in the 90's and even his success with Audioslave this decade was nowhere near his grunge heyday level.

White is a tremendously talented and electrifying artist, this is superb news and hardly safe. I admit it's only been in the last 2 years or so I've warmed to his music, I don't let the music press dictate my taste.

Although I couldn't resist One Nation Army and Elephant is a classic. The new Raconteurs album is my joint fav this year alongside other one day Bond hopefuls Portishead.

What with some members suggesting garbage like Maroon 5 or Coldplay etc, this is indeed exciting news, a duet is a first as well, I don't love Keys but I don't hate her music but Jack's input should make this a worthy Bond classic and also once again just so it sinks in, this is not safe.

Sinc you're evidently a fan, how does White rate lyrically?

EDIT: Sometimes "safe" is a synonym for "boring", just as cowardice is another word for being taken by surprise.

I don't really think lyrics have been a strong point of Bond songs, having said that of all the shortcommings of YNMN it had some choice lyrical couplets in it. I don't really think Bond needs Dylan standard but White may set a new standard with his lyrics. His lyrics to Icky Thump the track are most amusing and quite spot on

Especially

White Americans, what?
Nothing better to do?
Why don't you kick yourself out?
You're an immigrant, too

Not that I'm expecting a political slant to his tune, I am very excited about what he's got for us and the use of his and Keys voice, this could be one of the best Bond themes of all time it it's done right.

Consolers of the Lonely is well worth a listen, get your self aquainted with some Jack White, Raconteurs or The white Stripes.

As for this news, to be honest I'm not the least bit excited (though I'm happy as pie Arnold isnt involved, TWINE isnt exactly a stellar song, YKMN is great though, but that's because Cornell had a hand in it).

Exactly- Arnold's Bond songs have been just pasticjes so far; the ones he's had help (or even not involved with at all) have been more interesting and creative. At least Die Another Day is fresh and stands out amongst Bond songs; you may hate it, but at least it's not just there like TWINE.

Yeah I agree as bad as DAD was it was something different, TWINE was just wallpaper and no better than TND. I know Arnold hated GE but it was better than his effort with Garbage.

YNMN was ok but it was a bit car advert, it reminded me of that awful song Brian May did Driven by You which Ford used in their adverts for a while. I don't think Cornell's effort was that bad but it was along the similar lines.

It works quite well with the title sequence but I think Jack will produce some thing which will make people sit up and take note and thats not something that we can say about a Bond theme for some time.

Edited by bond 16.05.72, 30 July 2008 - 08:25 PM.

[Publius]

I like the prospect of a duet, and I think both artists are talented enough (although neither blows me away), but I couldn't shake a "yuck!" feeling when I heard the title.

[marktmurphy]

YNMN was ok but it was a bit car advert, it reminded me of that awful song Brian May did Driven by You which Ford used in their adverts for a while. I don't think Cornell's effort was that bad but it was along the similar lines.

Heh! I've not heard that comparison before! I quite like YKMN, but I can't say that you're entirely wrong..

[Mister E]

YKMN was one of the best tracks in decades, and this is in no small part to Arnold writing it. He is a much better songwriter than people give him credit for. But now EON are reverting back to the bad old days of Brozza. Shove `Die' in the title, and get someone else to write the song. Nice one, EON!!!

YKMN was one of the most un-inspired entries into the Bond musical series yet. I don't want another generic rock song for a Bond film and a musical duo promises to bring someting interesting.

[Harmsway]

YKMN was one of the most un-inspired entries into the Bond musical series yet.

I couldn't disagree more. Out of the 21 Bond songs, I think YKMN comes out in the top 7 or so, maybe even top 5.

[Mister E]

YKMN was one of the most un-inspired entries into the Bond musical series yet.

I couldn't disagree more. Out of the 21 Bond songs, I think YKMN comes out in the top 7 or so, maybe even top 5.

I think comes at the bottom 5 easily along with TND-DAD. We haven't had a great Bond song in over twenty years.

[danslittlefinger]

http://www.thesun.co...icle1492651.ece

I don't really echo these sentiments in the article but I am not a huge fan of this duet at all and why does "day" have to be in nearly every title? I was hoping for an edgier singer but I will hold an open mind as much as possible.

To quote: a very dodgy choice.

Edited by danslittlefinger, 30 July 2008 - 09:37 PM.

[JimmyBond]

YKMN was one of the most un-inspired entries into the Bond musical series yet.

I couldn't disagree more. Out of the 21 Bond songs, I think YKMN comes out in the top 7 or so, maybe even top 5.

I think comes at the bottom 5 easily along with TND-DAD. We haven't had a great Bond song in over twenty years.

You also don't like Licence To Kill So I'm not worried about disagreeing with your opinion.

I'll start a new paragraph, so you know I'm not directly referencing you Mister E, but I am quite tired of this idea that a Bond song has to stick to some rigid formula to be a Bond song. I felt Cornell's song was it's own thing, and fit in well with the theme songs of the series, and I really wanted a daring act to take the stage for this one (even though I knew they wouldnt get it in a million years, I was, and will always champion Metallica), outside the box thinking you know? Something that polarize fans everywhere, not just make them go "meh."

[Mister Asterix]

...and will always champion Metallica...

Yes.

[Mister E]

You also don't like Licence To Kill So I'm not worried about disagreeing with your opinion.

Nope, I don't like James Bond in The Miami Vice TV movie.

I am quite tired of this idea that a Bond song has to stick to some rigid formula to be a Bond song.

I don't either, LIVE AND LET DIE and A VIEW TO A KILL are great songs that don't nessecarily follow the Bond song formula.

[MarcAngeDraco]

I don't really echo these sentiments in the article but I am not a huge fan of this duet at all and why does "day" have to be in nearly every title? I was hoping for an edgier singer but I will hold an open mind as much as possible.

To quote: a very dodgy choice.

erm... Isn't the title "Another Way To Die"?...

Anyway, I think White is a rather good and interesting choice (not at all a 'safe' choice in my opinion), but I can't quite get my head around what a White/Keys duo could possibly sound like...

[[dark]]

I'll start a new paragraph, so you know I'm not directly referencing you Mister E, but I am quite tired of this idea that a Bond song has to stick to some rigid formula to be a Bond song. I felt Cornell's song was it's own thing, and fit in well with the theme songs of the series, and I really wanted a daring act to take the stage for this one (even though I knew they wouldnt get it in a million years, I was, and will always champion Metallica), outside the box thinking you know? Something that polarize fans everywhere, not just make them go "meh."

Absolutely, JimmyBond. The formulaic Bond song belongs in the past (i.e. films one through 20).

"You Know My Name" was a bold, energetic and, above all, different kind of Bond song, yet it remained just that: a Bond song. The same can be said of Casino Royale and the Daniel Craig era.

Roll on the bold Bond future.

[Mister E]

Absolutely, JimmyBond. The formulaic Bond song belongs in the past (i.e. films one through 20).

All Twenty ? I am sorry but that's . Not every single Bond song was formulaic. There is a difference between following a formula and formulaic. Songs that followed a formula was GOLDFINGER or DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. Also YKMN wasn't really bold, we haven't had that kind of song in a Bond but that dosen't make it unique. LIVE AND LET DIE was a bold move and the soundtrack for that film.

Edited by Mister Asterix, 31 July 2008 - 12:58 PM.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'll start a new paragraph, so you know I'm not directly referencing you Mister E, but I am quite tired of this idea that a Bond song has to stick to some rigid formula to be a Bond song. I felt Cornell's song was it's own thing, and fit in well with the theme songs of the series, and I really wanted a daring act to take the stage for this one (even though I knew they wouldnt get it in a million years, I was, and will always champion Metallica), outside the box thinking you know? Something that polarize fans everywhere, not just make them go "meh."

Yeah, I was hoping Hetfield would be involved. Given that []Quantum of Solace[/i]'s character arc has a lot to do with self-control, the pursuit of revenge et al, I always thought it sounded like something Hetfield would sing about, and with them recording eleven songs for Death Magnetic (which kind of sounds like a rejected Bond title itself), but only twn making it to the album, I had my fingers crossed that track eleven was a demo tape.

[JimmyBond]

I'm not sure Metallica is capable of making a song that's only 2 and a half minutes long And I'm not sure a Bond fan would want to sit through a 9 minute title sequence

Though this Bond (and hardcore Metallica) fan would

[danslittlefinger]

I don't really echo these sentiments in the article but I am not a huge fan of this duet at all and why does "day" have to be in nearly every title? I was hoping for an edgier singer but I will hold an open mind as much as possible.

To quote: a very dodgy choice.

erm... Isn't the title "Another Way To Die"?...

Anyway, I think White is a rather good and interesting choice (not at all a 'safe' choice in my opinion), but I can't quite get my head around what a White/Keys duo could possibly sound like...

Yes srry "die"..its been a long day..

[sharpshooter]

YKMN was one of the most un-inspired entries into the Bond musical series yet.

I couldn't disagree more. Out of the 21 Bond songs, I think YKMN comes out in the top 7 or so, maybe even top 5.

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. It is definitely one of the better efforts in the series.

[DaveBond21]

At least is not Duran Duran! Their song was so 1980's - we ken not have that again!

Lots of 80's songs sound 80's.

Title: Nothing original there.

Keys & White: Yawn, does nothing for me.

It'll be a minor hit, nothing elaborate.

It will be top ten in the UK.

[tim partridge]

YKMN sounded ten years out of date. It wreaked of that post-Cubby Eon out of touchness that has kept Bond away from the pop chart since the Dalton era. The lyrics were showtune-ish, production was non-existent and those orchestral "flourishes" were so poorly mixed that it came across like a poor man's Kroeger HERO song from SPIDER-MAN by way of a high school music project.

Honestly, with Duffy they had such a wonderful opportunity to get Arnold back with McAlmont, a main theme integrated into the song and with Bernard Butler in the booth. But no, already dated, flash in the pan "rock" it is again for QOS. Don't get me wrong, I like Alicia Keys and I like REAL rock music (LIVE AND LET DIE is a classic Bond song, and miraculously a good WINGS song at that). However, isn't Jack White all a bit 2003? It just sounds like it's going to be YKMN all over again, albeit without that song's one sole plus (the theme integrated into Arnold's score).

[Brock Samson]

http://www.thesun.co...icle1492651.ece

I don't really echo these sentiments in the article

I should hope not, they need to do some fact-checking. Shirley Manson (lead singer of Garbage) is Scottish. Last I checked that counted as Britain, even at The Sun.

"GARBAGE’s The World Is Not Enough was, well, garbage.

Brit acts have always done the business on theme song duties.

Next time I reckon the top British spy’s capers should be soundtracked by a British artist — they’re licensed to thrill."

It doesn't matter who does the song as long as it's good. Alicia Keys has a decent set of pipes (wallpaper pop tunes aside) and Jack White is the wunderkind of modern garage rock. I'm hopeful. I also echo the sentiments re: Consolers of the Lonely, I'm not a big fan of The White Stripes but The Raconteurs are brilliant.

[[dark]]

Absolutely, JimmyBond. The formulaic Bond song belongs in the past (i.e. films one through 20).

All Twenty ? I am sorry but that's . Not every single Bond song was formulaic. There is a difference between following a formula and formulaic. Songs that followed a formula was GOLDFINGER or DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. Also YKMN wasn't really bold, we haven't had that kind of song in a Bond but that dosen't make it unique. LIVE AND LET DIE was a bold move and the soundtrack for that film.

Steady on. I never said every one of the first 20 Bond films had a formulaic song; merely that the archetypal Bond song belongs in that era.

[Mister E]

I never said every one of the first 20 Bond films had a formulaic song; merely that the archetypal Bond song belongs in that era.

You need that fomula to branch out to new and better things. Like I said before, there is formula and then being formulaic.

Edited by Mister E, 30 July 2008 - 11:57 PM.

[[dark]]

I never said every one of the first 20 Bond films had a formulaic song; merely that the archetypal Bond song belongs in that era.

You need that fomula to branch out to new and better things. Like I said before, there is formula and then being formulaic.

Which is precisely what I said:

"You Know My Name" was a bold, energetic and, above all, different kind of Bond song, yet it remained just that: a Bond song. The same can be said of Casino Royale and the Daniel Craig era.

[Mister E]

I never said every one of the first 20 Bond films had a formulaic song; merely that the archetypal Bond song belongs in that era.

You need that fomula to branch out to new and better things. Like I said before, there is formula and then being formulaic.

Which is precisely what I said:

"You Know My Name" was a bold, energetic and, above all, different kind of Bond song, yet it remained just that: a Bond song. The same can be said of Casino Royale and the Daniel Craig era.

But you said we don't need that formula. I am saying we need it to do better Bond songs, songs that can be refreshing and new but can work for a Bond film. YKMN was just, meh.

Edited by Mister E, 31 July 2008 - 12:40 AM.

[danslittlefinger]

http://entertainment...icle4432533.ece


excerpt....
"Bond fansites were divided over the choice. Where they did agree was in heaping scorn on the song title, with its echoes of Die Another Day – for many Bond fans the low point in the 46-year history of the films.

Charlie Higson, author of the Young Bond novels and a self-confessed Bond junkie, said that the glory days of the stirring Bond tune were long gone. “There were five or six of them that were really fantastic in the early days, likeDiamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice, but I don’t think there’s been a true classic since Nobody Does It Better for The Spy Who Loved Me [in 1977].”

Of White and Keys, he said: “This pairing doesn’t sound that thrilling to me, but let’s not judge it before we’ve heard it. Think what they all said about Daniel Craig and look how good he turned out to be.”


Interesting article.

Edited by danslittlefinger, 31 July 2008 - 01:15 AM.