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#301 DaveBond21

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:56 AM

I think it's a good choice.


Especially when the other option apparently was Bachman Turner Overdrive doing a cover version of Takin' Care of Business called "Double-Taking Pigeon".

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:22 AM

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:39 AM

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Fans and critics discuss how the pairing of Jack White and Alicia Keys will turn out


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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:56 AM

This is a great choice way better than the smelly wine cave ! The title is laughable but then it relates to the movie perhaps ? This is getting better by the minute.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:12 AM

I'll withhold judgment...but I have been saying it for a while now....

We need another instrumental theme!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 09:29 AM

This is interesting. Do we know if Arnold is working on the song? I would have prefered if the song was actually titled 'Quantum Of Solace'. 'Another Way To Die' just sounds like a future title for a Bond film. But as people say it could be steller which I hope it will be. Especially if Arnold is coorperated into the song workings


This is what I find crucial to a good Bond theme, is when it is worked into the score. Goes to show how rubbish Die Another Day theme was, and TND also suffered from not using the brilliant "Surrender" as the main song. Weaving it into the score makes it more memorable, and much more traditional, like the earlier Barry scored films.

I can live with the artists selected, and also the title (it is just a title after all) but pray that it is in the score as well. Casino Royale was perfect, and the title song really grows on you especially after hearing the score.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 09:55 AM

We need another instrumental theme!

No we don't If instrumentals were as good as you're making them out to be, we'd have had one - probably more - since OHMSS.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 10:09 AM

We need another instrumental theme!

No we don't If instrumentals were as good as you're making them out to be, we'd have had one - probably more - since OHMSS.


Actually, I think it's more to do with dollars rather than sense.

#309 dee-bee-five

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:13 PM

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.



As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.


I don't believe everyone on here likes every decision EON makes or has made. It's just that there is a predictable note of misery to these opinions (not your's but some of it gets very annoying). Knowing that the production team weren't given free rein under MGM for example has made me temper my previous criticisms of the Brosnan era. People already deciding the quality of the song before they've heard it simply because they don't like the artist and passing that off as EON 'failing' them, I'm sorry smacks of arrogance.

I was actually going to ask if you are in the industry (Zorin is and I work for Granada Television in the UK)? Don't get me wrong not because your opinion caused me to come out of my cage (I have a week off can't you tell :tup: ) but some of the stuff written on here smacks of people damning the thing before it's made.


Glad to hear there are people on here in the same profession as me. I work in the industry too, and used to work up at Granada a few years ago. Now I'm based down south.

With regards voicing an opinion on this subject, I was merely pointing out the fact that the news didn't excite me at all (especially the title) but of course I will refrain from passing judgement until I hear the damn thing.

I don't think anyone here is seriously slagging off a song that hasn't been heard yet. They are mainly voicing their opinion on whether the new song collaboration/title/idea sounds good as an initial impression.

Or are only positive views allowed on this subject...?


Judging from most of the above, sadly, yes. There seems to be quite a bit of wilful misinterpretation of posts going on right now.

And I'd be careful admitting you work in the TV industry lest you stand accused of being elitist...

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:21 PM

YKMN sounded ten years out of date. It wreaked of that post-Cubby Eon out of touchness that has kept Bond away from the pop chart since the Dalton era. The lyrics were showtune-ish, production was non-existent and those orchestral "flourishes" were so poorly mixed that it came across like a poor man's Kroeger HERO song from SPIDER-MAN by way of a high school music project.

Honestly, with Duffy they had such a wonderful opportunity to get Arnold back with McAlmont, a main theme integrated into the song and with Bernard Butler in the booth. But no, already dated, flash in the pan "rock" it is again for QOS. Don't get me wrong, I like Alicia Keys and I like REAL rock music (LIVE AND LET DIE is a classic Bond song, and miraculously a good WINGS song at that). However, isn't Jack White all a bit 2003? It just sounds like it's going to be YKMN all over again, albeit without that song's one sole plus (the theme integrated into Arnold's score).



You realise you're now at risk of being burned at the stake for expressing such heresy? But well said anyway; you've summed up exactly why I was initially disappointed at the news and remain so.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:28 PM

And I'd be careful admitting you work in the TV industry lest you stand accused of being elitist...


Well, I think some members (or maybe it's just me :tup: ) bristle at being told the facts of life by those who trumpet their "industry" credentials in a way that serves only to imply that they have the same psychic connection to BroccoliWilson that they paint "fanboys" as labouring under the delusion they possess.

Pulling rank is rarely attractive, and working in "the TV industry" - or even "the industry" - does not necessarily make one perpetually 100% correct when it comes to mulling over decisions made by the notoriously idiosyncratic Eon Productions. Of course, it's also true that those who rarely venture beyond bedrooms strewn with signed Lazenby dolls won't always be right on the money, either.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:46 PM

And I'd be careful admitting you work in the TV industry lest you stand accused of being elitist...


Well, I think some members (or maybe it's just me :tup: ) bristle at being told the facts of life by those who trumpet their "industry" credentials in a way that serves only to imply that they have the same psychic connection to BroccoliWilson that they paint "fanboys" as labouring under the delusion they possess.

Pulling rank is rarely attractive, and working in "the TV industry" - or even "the industry" - does not necessarily make one perpetually 100% correct when it comes to mulling over decisions made by the notoriously idiosyncratic Eon Productions.


No-one did pull rank. I was asked if I worked in the TV industry and I merely answered in the affirmative: and I can see nothing in the posts of the other posters who work in the media to suggest they were claiming the high moral ground either. So to claim that anyone was trying to be elitist is a misrepresentation and, frankly, a little surprising coming from someone I respect. Of course, anyone who has worked creatively in film and/or TV - as some of us do - are likely to have views coloured by our experience and express ourselves accordingly. But that is a different matter.

In virtually every other every post I've made on any thread I've reiterated that everything on a site like this is subjective; no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's. And, God knows, film and TV execs make a hell of a lot of mistakes. Like William Goldman says, no-one knows anything. So admitting one works in the industry is hardly tantamount to claiming infallibility. In fact, far from criticising Eon, I would say that they have been remarkably successful in making good decisions over a very long time. But that does not mean one has to agree with everything they do - as I don't in this particular case - even if it turns out to be okay in the end. And even the question of what is a "good decision" can be subjective. Take the return of Jaws in Moonraker. Was that a good decision or not? In terms of the box office, probably yes. But artistically? How do we decide that? Personally, I believed at the time - and still do - that it was wrong to bring him back. So I disagreed with Eon. With hindsight - and judging purely from the box office - you could say I was wrong. But if you ask me should they have brought Jaws back for Moonraker, I'll still answer "no". And that's not being elitist or trying to claim I know better than the fans or Eon, that is just my opinion to which I am entitled, as you are yours.

As for the subject in hand, I still think this is a dull choice and I reserve the right to say so. But I also wrote that if I like the song, I'll be the first to say so. Even then, that will only be my opinion and not intended as some sort of definitive statement.

It should be a level playing field when it comes to opinions. But yesterday wasn't. Anyone who had the temerity to deviate from the admittedly majority view was shot down. And if they dared argue, they were shot down again. Some were even accused of being elistist. It was a pity but, ah well,c'est la vie.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 01:56 PM

I believe Alicia Keys and Jack White will do an outstanding job. Hopefully, it will be one of the better theme songs. So far, my favorites are:

1- A View To A Kill/Dance Into the Fire by Duran Duran. This one will be hard to beat!

2- Die Another Day by Madonna. I know this one gets slammed, but I disagree. It's powerful and has a really good beat.

3- Nobody Does It Better/The Spy Who Love Me by Carly Simon.

4- GoldenEye by Tina Turner and Bono. Probably the most poetic and haunting lyrics of all Bond theme songs.

5- For Your Eyes Only- Sheena Easton

6- Live and Let Die- Sir Paul

7- Goldfinger- Shirley

8- You Only Live Twice- Shirley

9- Moonraker- Shirley

10 (ties)- Thunderball- Tom Jones, and; All the time in the World

11 (tie)- Tomorrow Never Dies, World Is Not Enough, You Know My Name/Casino Royale

12 (ties for worst)- Living Daylights, Licence To Kill, The Man With the Golden Gun, All Time High

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:52 PM

6- Live and Let Die- Sir Paul

12 (ties for worst)- Living Daylights, Licence To Kill, The Man With the Golden Gun, All Time High


Welcome aboard, saw you just joined today. I hope you find this a fun place to be. :(

I love Live and Let Die, don't forget Linda actually wrote the song with Paul. I don't know if it's good or bad, but she contributed the reggae bit. :tup: There's a story Paul tells of how they submitted the completed song and EON said "This is great! Let us know when it's finished." Well something to that effect. :tup:

I know many dislike Lulu's TMWTGG, but I actually do like it. Oh it's certainly not the best she's done nor the best Bond theme by a very very very long shot. But I do like it because she's got the pipes for belting that song out nicely. That said, the reprise during the final scenes of the movie makes me cringe. Now that I wholly agree was bad!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:09 PM

A duet is always interesting! But I'm a little doubtfull about the conbination of RnB with Rock music. I don't have personal opinion about the perfomers, but I hope for the best!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:44 PM

http://www.dailymail...-007-theme.html

The song will be released on Oct 28th.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:44 PM

A duet is always interesting! But I'm a little doubtfull about the conbination of RnB with Rock music. I don't have personal opinion about the perfomers, but I hope for the best!


I wouldn't assume that they have somehow merged their styles. It's possible that White has written and produced something R&Bish or that Keys is joining him in something Rocky. I'm guessing it's a ballad of some sort.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:56 PM

A duet is always interesting! But I'm a little doubtfull about the conbination of RnB with Rock music. I don't have personal opinion about the perfomers, but I hope for the best!


I wouldn't assume that they have somehow merged their styles. It's possible that White has written and produced something R&Bish or that Keys is joining him in something Rocky. I'm guessing it's a ballad of some sort.


I'll be very glad if they don't have a fight! Different music kinds, different philosophies! See what I mean!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 04:19 PM

You have to admire two things about This Eon Era:

1) They have no problem unveiling the unexpected...and it's turned out more for the better than for the worse; and

2) They know how to generate publicity...and as the saying goes, any publicity is good publicity. (Well, unless your Tom Cruise jumping up and down on Ohpera's couch...or dear old Mel Gibson belittling the Jews.)

As always, i'll have to hear the song and then hear it with the titles during the movie to make a judgement call. :tup:

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 04:52 PM

I wonder which will be out first the leaked title theme song or the second teaser trailer?


However I'm happy Jack white was the only name rumoured i was excited about as his stuff for the most seems to be guitar driven so i'm happy and i hope Another way to die is n the same spirit of You know my name and Live nad Let die :tup:

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:24 PM

I wonder which will be out first the leaked title theme song or the second teaser trailer?


The full trailer should be made available to the net no later than mid September...the theme should leak out a couple or three weeks before its release date...so bet on the full trailer first. You can go banco on it. :tup:

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 05:52 PM

I'm not surprised that Arnold isn't involved. Tomorrow Never Dies wasn't written by Arnold, though Surrender was. The World Is Not Enough was written by Arnold and Don Black, and then Die Another Day ( which is a :tup: song) again didn't have Arnold involved. CR theme song was written by Arnold. Basicaly it is a hit and miss case for when Arnold comes to do the Bond themes.

I just hope that 'Another Way To Die' doesn't go Madonna's way. IMO the best title theme which the composer of the film was involved is Goldeneye by Bono and the Edge. That is the best thing about the GE score. It does make me wonder if Arnold is working on a song for the end credits of QOS though.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 06:49 PM

If this is true, then couldn't they have found a better song title? This sounds cliched. What's the point of picking a Fleming title for the film but just going with one of these typical Bond word-combos for the song? Quantum of Solace would've been a better title. They wouldn't necessarily have to make it rhyme - even A View to a Kill mostly mentioned the phrase at the start of each verse, but the main chorus was really "Dance into the Fire".

It sounds like one of the members here thought up that title!

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 06:57 PM

thank god the film isn't called "Another Way to Die"!!...


Didn't a CBn member suggest that title for Bond 22 just after Casino Royale was released?
I seem to remember someone suggesting that.


I think someone suggested "Another Day Goes By". Maybe that will be the next song for Bond 23.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 06:58 PM

And I'd be careful admitting you work in the TV industry lest you stand accused of being elitist...


Well, I think some members (or maybe it's just me :tup: ) bristle at being told the facts of life by those who trumpet their "industry" credentials in a way that serves only to imply that they have the same psychic connection to BroccoliWilson that they paint "fanboys" as labouring under the delusion they possess.

Pulling rank is rarely attractive, and working in "the TV industry" - or even "the industry" - does not necessarily make one perpetually 100% correct when it comes to mulling over decisions made by the notoriously idiosyncratic Eon Productions. Of course, it's also true that those who rarely venture beyond bedrooms strewn with signed Lazenby dolls won't always be right on the money, either.

Who the hell is trying to `pull rank' by claiming to work in the industry. I certainly wasn't. I was commenting on sharing a similar profession to another person on here.

And nowhere in my original comments was I attempting to `point out the facts of life.' I was giving my opinion on what I thought of the initial news.

Is that a crime around here? To have a negative thought on something Bond related? Is this a pro-forum only, or is this a forum where anyone can express how they feel about something, positive or negative.

Chips on shoulders, or what!!!

Edited by Jet Set Willy, 31 July 2008 - 06:59 PM.


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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:12 PM

At least Faulks novel had come up with an original Fleming-sounding title. Devil May care is much more subtle, and much more Fleming.

Yeah. But in order for the Devil to care you must be dead or as good as. lol :tup:


They could've titled the song "As good as dead" instead, and it might've still conveyed the same feeling that some are attributing to "Another way to Die" without it churning out the same tired words. See: "Dead" is like "Die", but then again it's not, because it looks and sounds different.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:23 PM

http://entertainment...icle4432533.ece


excerpt....

Charlie Higson, author of the Young Bond novels and a self-confessed Bond junkie, said that the glory days of the stirring Bond tune were long gone. “There were five or six of them that were really fantastic in the early days, likeDiamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice, but I don’t think there’s been a true classic since Nobody Does It Better for The Spy Who Loved Me [in 1977].”


Chuck sounds like a real old :tup:.

Perhaps we should revert to 60s era-sounding jazzy James Bond themes to cater to the 55 to 85 years olds in the audience...as opposed to the majority of us in the 17 to 49 yr old age bracket? You know, the age group that forks out the bulk of the cash to actually see the damn movie...

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:30 PM

http://entertainment...icle4432533.ece


excerpt....

Charlie Higson, author of the Young Bond novels and a self-confessed Bond junkie, said that the glory days of the stirring Bond tune were long gone. “There were five or six of them that were really fantastic in the early days, likeDiamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice, but I don’t think there’s been a true classic since Nobody Does It Better for The Spy Who Loved Me [in 1977].”


Chuck sounds like a real old :tup:.

Perhaps we should revert to 60s era-sounding jazzy James Bond themes to cater to the 55 to 85 years olds in the audience...as opposed to the majority of us in the 17 to 49 yr old age bracket? You know, the age group that forks out the bulk of the cash to actually see the damn movie...

:tup:

I'd love to know what the censored word was....

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:44 PM

http://entertainment...icle4432533.ece


excerpt....

Charlie Higson, author of the Young Bond novels and a self-confessed Bond junkie, said that the glory days of the stirring Bond tune were long gone. “There were five or six of them that were really fantastic in the early days, likeDiamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice, but I don’t think there’s been a true classic since Nobody Does It Better for The Spy Who Loved Me [in 1977].”


Chuck sounds like a real old :tup:.

Perhaps we should revert to 60s era-sounding jazzy James Bond themes to cater to the 55 to 85 years olds in the audience...as opposed to the majority of us in the 17 to 49 yr old age bracket? You know, the age group that forks out the bulk of the cash to actually see the damn movie...

:tup:

I'd love to know what the censored word was....


Its a four letter word which starts with an 'f' and rhymes with dart or part.

I have no idea why a word synonymous with flatulance should be censored! Full of hot air, I say...

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 07:48 PM

http://entertainment...icle4432533.ece


excerpt....

Charlie Higson, author of the Young Bond novels and a self-confessed Bond junkie, said that the glory days of the stirring Bond tune were long gone. “There were five or six of them that were really fantastic in the early days, likeDiamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice, but I don’t think there’s been a true classic since Nobody Does It Better for The Spy Who Loved Me [in 1977].”


Chuck sounds like a real old :tup:.

Perhaps we should revert to 60s era-sounding jazzy James Bond themes to cater to the 55 to 85 years olds in the audience...as opposed to the majority of us in the 17 to 49 yr old age bracket? You know, the age group that forks out the bulk of the cash to actually see the damn movie...

:tup:

I'd love to know what the censored word was....


Its a four letter word which starts with an 'f' and rhymes with dart or part.

I have no idea why a word synonymous with flatulance should be censored! Full of hot air, I say...


Damn! I was hoping for something much stronger!