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#361 honeyjes

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 07:39 AM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 10:04 AM

Speaking for myself, my "negativity" surrounding this news is based solely on the non-involvement of the score's composer with the title song. Which, I fear, could have a "negative" effect on the film itself.

I'm still not getting why you've got these concerns simply because David Arnold did not get a songwriting credit. Some people seem to think that because he didn't write the lyrics, he has zero involvement, as if EON went behind his back and awarded the title song to someone else. Two things stand out in my mind:

1) Arnold is a professional musician. When it comes to deciding who gets the theme song, he has incredible power. Not only does he have legiitmate power because he's a part of the process, he's got expert power. He knows what he's doing; he's the most qualified person in the decision-making process. Babs and MGW are not professional musicians, so in that respect, David Arnold has more power than they do. While the decision may ultimately rest with them, they would be absolutely out of their minds not to listen to him. And while they've certainly made poor decisions in the past, they've also made good ones of late: hiring Craig, bringing Martin Campbell back, employing Paul Haggis, scaling back the involvement of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, hiring Marc Forster and wanting to explore the emotional side of James Bond. They're clearly not out of their minds.

2) MK12 announced that they have completed the title sequence over a week ago.

Little naive here, no? David Arnold obviously had no decision here. Sony studio did. Arnold wont use the music of a song he aint written in his own score. Why would he? Pretty sure producers gotta bow to Sony on some things. Arnold did not choose Chris Cornell. Cornell was chosen for him. Jack White wrote and produced the Another Way To Die with no involvement from Arnold. Figure the song must have delivered in at least temp form way before the MK12 started photography on their titles. Kinda makes sense, no?

Edited by Mercator, 03 August 2008 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 03 August 2008 - 10:42 AM

Little naive here, no? David Arnold obviously had no decision here. Sony studio did. Arnold wont use the music of a song he aint written in his own score. Why would he? Pretty sure producers gotta bow to Sony on some things. Arnold did not choose Chris Cornell. Cornell was chosen for him. Jack White wrote and produced the Another Way To Die with no involvement from Arnold. Figure the song must have delivered in at least temp form way before the MK12 started photography on their titles. Kinda makes sense, no?

Little jaded here, no?

Prove to me beyond all reasonable doubt that Jack White and Alicia Keys were chosen by Sony and that Arnold point-blank refuses to use music he didn't compose in his scores.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 10:43 AM

I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I don't think that's helped by post complaining about the complaints

And then posts complaining about those complaints...

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 11:11 AM

I'm in the 'disappointed' camp. Firmly. It's a bad move to let (even talented) egos free on the song, without the composer's involvement. Every time it's happened (LALD notwithstanding) the results have been mediocre to downright awful.

I like Keys. I have an album of hers. Not wild about Jack, but respect his music cred. I'm just very cynical about how this will work out. I'll reserve judgement. Along with Mk12 ousting Dan Kleinman, the news gets worse for me every day. I'm expecting another 'Die Another Day' here. Great moments in an uneven and unsatisfying film.

And that title.....god, couldn't they come up with something original? Fourth mention of 'Die(s)' no less.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 11:48 AM

Well it looks like the duet has not turned out too good plus Alicia Keys not too impressed with song either. Read it here.

http://www.suntimes....TR-zp31.article

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 12:22 PM

Who care's about tabloids ? Bond is back.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 12:49 PM

\Along with Mk12 ousting Dan Kleinman, the news gets worse for me every day. I'm expecting another 'Die Another Day' here. Great moments in an uneven and unsatisfying film.

Why? Look at MK12's body of work. They're very good at their jobs.

Why are people so scared of change? It's inevitable. Frankly Marc Forster's so-called "changing of the guard" in terms of many aspects of the Bond creative team are refreshing. Do you people want to see the same exact thing over and over again? I don't.

Who care's about tabloids ? Bond is back.

The Chicago Sun-Times isn't a tabloid, but regardless, even if that article is true, would anyone expect two incredibly talented musicians to always be on the same page? Naturally they're going to have their own ideas and cause some creative tension.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:50 PM

http://www.mirror.co...15875-20680113/

So was Duffy in the running? Sounds like it.


Duffy: 'My life is so glam now - but it means nothing to me'
By Pippa Smith 2/08/2008

Welsh singer Duffy, 24, talks about her new jetset lifestyle, her love of vintage handbags, and why a glass of Merlot is better than a man…

Aimee Anne Duffy is one hard girl to track down. A flurry of festival performances and a diary of ‘shoots, interviews and gigs’ means she’s hot property. As we start chatting she gives us a rundown of her über-hectic schedule, in the next breath reminding us she’s ‘just this kid from Wales who’s done a few songs’.

Yes, she’s still the same girl who grew up in a small Welsh seaside village with her twin sister Katy and older sister Kelly. But with a chart-topping album that’s sold millions, catapulting her to superstardom and earning her a Mojo Song Of The Year award, it’s clear Duffy is more than just some kid.

When we meet the 24-year-old she’s looking hot to trot. With her wispy blonde hair, big eyes, and bee-stung lips, it’s clear where the Brigette Bardot comparisons come from. Interspersing her soft Welsh lilt with girly giggles, Duffy is as un-divaish as they come.

But while her start in life may have been very un-showbiz – she was brought up in the remote Welsh wilderness of Nefyn, and her first experience of music was watching a video tape of Mick Jagger singing Jumpin’ Jack Flash – these days when she’s not picking up music awards, she’s recording the soundtrack for the new James Bond film and fitting in her job as Dolce & Gabbana’s new muse.

And it’s about time she enjoyed herself. After a childhood plagued by family drama (her step-dad was the target of an attempted murder), Duffy is now rocking the world.

There’s no denying Duffy’s life has changed dramatically since watching music videos as a teen. These days she’s hanging out with the jetaratti, and when she’s not playing gigs in Paris and Milan, she’s performing in New York. She admits, ‘I guess my life is a lot more glamorous than it used to be in terms of the things I wear, the places I go, the places I stay, the places I eat at and the people I meet. Everything is just wonderful, it’s really fantastic – but I don’t get too caught up in it. I do nice things, but, to be honest, they’re not important. I’m not after a big house in the city, or anything like that.’

Oh, and she recently became the first Welsh woman to have a UK No1 hit in 25 years. She says, ‘It’s cool, it makes me feel really proud to have done that. I think Bonnie Tyler was the last Welsh lady at No1 with Total Eclipse Of The Heart, so yeah, it’s great. When I go home to Wales everyone is so happy for me. It’s really lovely.’

Although she admits it can be over-whelming at times. ‘Can you imagine everyone you’ve ever known suddenly wanting to come and say hello to you and congratulating you for the record? It’s all quite mad, really. But it’s lovely too because everyone’s been so supportive.’

Her new-found fame has seen Duffy mixing backstage with none other than Justin Trousersnake, and taking advantage of guestlists at London’s hottest clubs. But when asked about her favourite celeb meeting, her answer is, well, rather unexpected.

‘I met Roger Daltrey from The Who, and that was really special, because I used to adore him when I was growing up. He’s gorgeous, with the most amazing blue eyes. I really enjoyed meeting him because he’s such a lovely guy and also very genuine. He gave me some really sound advice, which made me feel like what I’m doing is worthwhile and important.’

She’s also about as far removed from the sex, drugs and rock ’n’ roll image of certain fellow singers as you can get (even her beehive is more Bardot than Winehouse), but that hasn’t stopped her being compared to a songstress with whom she happens to share a first name.

She says, ‘It makes me mad that people keep comparing me to Amy Winehouse and Dusty Springfield. It’s just labelling me as something else, without any respect for the struggle, the determination, focus or artistic vision I have. It’s like, "Whoa, what’s that about? Why would I want to be someone else?" Because I really don’t. I just want to be me. It’s kind of strange and disheartening to be constantly told who I look like, or who I sound like.’

She adds, ‘Saying that, you do get some people who hit slightly closer to where I’m coming from. I got compared to Diana Ross the other day, which was a real compliment. And someone also wrote that I was the female Otis Redding, which really made me feel good because he’s a hero of mine.’

Duffy’s been single for the past two years, and says she’s not interested in complicated relationships – all she wants is to be able to be herself. ‘My music is the most honest thing I have. Actually, it’s the only thing I can be honest in, because everything else in life – like love and friendship – is so complex.’

Perhaps it’s a case of once bitten twice shy, as she reveals she’s not got the best track record in romance. Her five-year relationship with Mark Durston, who she met while she was studying A-levels at college, ended when she discovered he’d cheated on her. ‘I always meet rogues,’ she says. And although she’s admitted a current platonic relationship looks like it might be turning into something more, Duffy says she’s not looking for anything serious. ‘I’m a bit of a commitment-phobe. Why? I don’t know… It’s the only thing I’m afraid of. And besides, I’m really happy on my own. Because, that way, no one can hurt you.’

Although if she ever was to be in a position to have a relationship, she knows what she’d be looking for. ‘I want a man who’s charismatic and funny and intriguing and dresses well. And I like a guy who’s good with his hands, a real man.’


After being signed up as Dolce & Gabbana’s clothes horse earlier this year (like you do), Duffy’s not been short of designer frocks. But like most songbirds around, she loves a bit of vintage in her wardrobe. She says, ‘I like to wear vintage designer clothes, you can never go wrong with that. At the moment I’m wearing vintage Chanel and I also like vintage Gucci, especially little handbags that are battered and have been around for 40 years. I love wearing things that have been around longer than I have, and seen more than me.’

But when she’s not dressing up, she loves to, erm, undress. ‘I like getting home after a day’s work, taking everything off, slipping into my bathrobe, pouring a glass of red wine, having the radio on in the background, then calling my friends and family and gassing on the phone all night. I like to hang out in my bathrobe a lot, and just kick back. Sometimes I’ll stay like that the whole weekend.’

At 5ft 4in, Duffy is petite and slim, even her shoe size is a super tiny two and a half (yes, really). But her small frame has less to do with starving herself and more to do with good genes and clean living – she certainly isn’t the type to nibble on lettuce leaves and carrot sticks. ‘I can’t resist seafood because I was raised on it, growing up by the sea in Wales. I love lobster linguini – that’s my favourite dish at the moment. I love red wine too, especially Merlot. I can’t resist that either, but I can only have a glass or two otherwise I get tipsy.’

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:08 PM

But while her start in life may have been very un-showbiz – she was brought up in the remote Welsh wilderness of Nefyn, and her first experience of music was watching a video tape of Mick Jagger singing Jumpin’ Jack Flash – these days when she’s not picking up music awards, she’s recording the soundtrack for the new James Bond film and fitting in her job as Dolce & Gabbana’s new muse.

The Mirror is a tabloid, and that article makes it sound as if Duffy is actually doing the theme song, not White and Keys when we already knew they were doing it for four days before that article. I think you'll find The Mirror were the ones who started the rumour of her being in the running for the song; we don't even know if she put together a demo tape.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:13 PM

Unless she's recording a song for the closing titles.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:38 PM

Unless she's recording a song for the closing titles.



Now you see that's what I'm thinking.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 03:39 PM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I would get overwhelmed about Quantum of Solace if there was something coming out of the production that actually made me want to see the film. I thought that a lot of what we were seeing from the production of Casino Royale was brilliant, and it had me anticipating the release of that film very much, and even as early as the release of the teaser trailer, I was anticipating the release of that film. With Quantum of Solace, I have yet to hear even one thing that has me genuinely excited for the film other than Daniel Craig is returning as Bond. The teaser trailer was rather dull and featured nothing that appeared the least bit interesting, the posters for the film thus far have been awful, and pretty much everything that I have read about the film has not excited me at all (including the announcement of the title song artists). I'm not anti-Quantum of Solace by any stretch of the imagination. If I saw something about the film that I liked or thought was interesting, I would say so, but I have yet to see anything like that from the production thus far.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 04:16 PM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I would get overwhelmed about Quantum of Solace if there was something coming out of the production that actually made me want to see the film. I thought that a lot of what we were seeing from the production of Casino Royale was brilliant, and it had me anticipating the release of that film very much, and even as early as the release of the teaser trailer, I was anticipating the release of that film. With Quantum of Solace, I have yet to hear even one thing that has me genuinely excited for the film other than Daniel Craig is returning as Bond. The teaser trailer was rather dull and featured nothing that appeared the least bit interesting, the posters for the film thus far have been awful, and pretty much everything that I have read about the film has not excited me at all (including the announcement of the title song artists). I'm not anti-Quantum of Solace by any stretch of the imagination. If I saw something about the film that I liked or thought was interesting, I would say so, but I have yet to see anything like that from the production thus far.


I'm curious now. Articulate what EXACTLY would please you?

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 04:25 PM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I would get overwhelmed about Quantum of Solace if there was something coming out of the production that actually made me want to see the film. I thought that a lot of what we were seeing from the production of Casino Royale was brilliant, and it had me anticipating the release of that film very much, and even as early as the release of the teaser trailer, I was anticipating the release of that film. With Quantum of Solace, I have yet to hear even one thing that has me genuinely excited for the film other than Daniel Craig is returning as Bond. The teaser trailer was rather dull and featured nothing that appeared the least bit interesting, the posters for the film thus far have been awful, and pretty much everything that I have read about the film has not excited me at all (including the announcement of the title song artists). I'm not anti-Quantum of Solace by any stretch of the imagination. If I saw something about the film that I liked or thought was interesting, I would say so, but I have yet to see anything like that from the production thus far.


I'm curious now. Articulate what EXACTLY would please you?


In terms of the title track, I'm split on it because I have been wanting a duet for a title track for a very long time, but I can't say that I'm a fan of either artist that EON has chosen to sing the duet, which is where the underwhelmed feeling is coming from there. There are plenty of other great artists out there that I would have rather have been chosen, but I'm willing to give the song a chance.

As for the film, I just want to hear a plot point or something that sounds interesting. I'm not a fan at all of having Bond go after yet another villainous organization. We've been there and we've done that many, many times before. Also, the lines in the trailer about M not being able to trust Bond. We've been there and done that many, many times before.

Mainly, I just want to see something that looks original. So far, Quantum of Solace seems like a return to the typical Bond that we've seen in 20 other films, whereas Casino Royale looked like it was beginning a departure from that type of Bond film. I just feel that with an actor like Daniel Craig in the role (and the type of talent that he can attract to a project), EON should be trying to do something truly special and different with the character, and from everything that I've read about Quantum of Solace, it doesn't appear to be the case, but it appears as though we're in store for another typical Bond film that is loaded with action. What I would like to see would be an entire Bond film that was very much like the second half of Casino Royale, in that it featured very little action and focused more on character and story development (in other words, its focus was on drama rather than action). That's the kind of Bond film that I could get excited about at this point in time.

I don't know, perhaps I've just reached the point where I'm not all that interested in the Bond franchise anymore. I don't think that there has been a true stand-out Bond film in almost two decades, and it will probably take another truly exceptional Bond film to regenerate my interest in the franchise.

Edited by tdalton, 03 August 2008 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2008 - 05:35 PM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I would get overwhelmed about Quantum of Solace if there was something coming out of the production that actually made me want to see the film. I thought that a lot of what we were seeing from the production of Casino Royale was brilliant, and it had me anticipating the release of that film very much, and even as early as the release of the teaser trailer, I was anticipating the release of that film. With Quantum of Solace, I have yet to hear even one thing that has me genuinely excited for the film other than Daniel Craig is returning as Bond. The teaser trailer was rather dull and featured nothing that appeared the least bit interesting, the posters for the film thus far have been awful, and pretty much everything that I have read about the film has not excited me at all (including the announcement of the title song artists). I'm not anti-Quantum of Solace by any stretch of the imagination. If I saw something about the film that I liked or thought was interesting, I would say so, but I have yet to see anything like that from the production thus far.


I'm curious now. Articulate what EXACTLY would please you?


In terms of the title track, I'm split on it because I have been wanting a duet for a title track for a very long time, but I can't say that I'm a fan of either artist that EON has chosen to sing the duet, which is where the underwhelmed feeling is coming from there. There are plenty of other great artists out there that I would have rather have been chosen, but I'm willing to give the song a chance.

As for the film, I just want to hear a plot point or something that sounds interesting. I'm not a fan at all of having Bond go after yet another villainous organization. We've been there and we've done that many, many times before. Also, the lines in the trailer about M not being able to trust Bond. We've been there and done that many, many times before.

Mainly, I just want to see something that looks original. So far, Quantum of Solace seems like a return to the typical Bond that we've seen in 20 other films, whereas Casino Royale looked like it was beginning a departure from that type of Bond film. I just feel that with an actor like Daniel Craig in the role (and the type of talent that he can attract to a project), EON should be trying to do something truly special and different with the character, and from everything that I've read about Quantum of Solace, it doesn't appear to be the case, but it appears as though we're in store for another typical Bond film that is loaded with action. What I would like to see would be an entire Bond film that was very much like the second half of Casino Royale, in that it featured very little action and focused more on character and story development (in other words, its focus was on drama rather than action). That's the kind of Bond film that I could get excited about at this point in time.

I don't know, perhaps I've just reached the point where I'm not all that interested in the Bond franchise anymore. I don't think that there has been a true stand-out Bond film in almost two decades, and it will probably take another truly exceptional Bond film to regenerate my interest in the franchise.


I assume you were aware that QOS was to follow on from CR (hence I'm assuming you knew that CR was setting up Bond to go after another organisation). If you feel that there hasn't been a stand out Bond film in two decades that's your fair opinion but why continually grumble about EON doing the 'same old' (in your eyes) if, from the sounds of it, you tired of the franchise evidently ages ago? The problem ppl have with the wave of negativity (hence leading to the arguments in this thread) is that some fans seem to complain every single time that they lose perspective over a period.

In other words why continually post if you genuinely are bored?

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 11:26 PM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I would get overwhelmed about Quantum of Solace if there was something coming out of the production that actually made me want to see the film. I thought that a lot of what we were seeing from the production of Casino Royale was brilliant, and it had me anticipating the release of that film very much, and even as early as the release of the teaser trailer, I was anticipating the release of that film. With Quantum of Solace, I have yet to hear even one thing that has me genuinely excited for the film other than Daniel Craig is returning as Bond. The teaser trailer was rather dull and featured nothing that appeared the least bit interesting, the posters for the film thus far have been awful, and pretty much everything that I have read about the film has not excited me at all (including the announcement of the title song artists). I'm not anti-Quantum of Solace by any stretch of the imagination. If I saw something about the film that I liked or thought was interesting, I would say so, but I have yet to see anything like that from the production thus far.


I'm curious now. Articulate what EXACTLY would please you?


In terms of the title track, I'm split on it because I have been wanting a duet for a title track for a very long time, but I can't say that I'm a fan of either artist that EON has chosen to sing the duet, which is where the underwhelmed feeling is coming from there. There are plenty of other great artists out there that I would have rather have been chosen, but I'm willing to give the song a chance.

As for the film, I just want to hear a plot point or something that sounds interesting. I'm not a fan at all of having Bond go after yet another villainous organization. We've been there and we've done that many, many times before. Also, the lines in the trailer about M not being able to trust Bond. We've been there and done that many, many times before.

Mainly, I just want to see something that looks original. So far, Quantum of Solace seems like a return to the typical Bond that we've seen in 20 other films, whereas Casino Royale looked like it was beginning a departure from that type of Bond film. I just feel that with an actor like Daniel Craig in the role (and the type of talent that he can attract to a project), EON should be trying to do something truly special and different with the character, and from everything that I've read about Quantum of Solace, it doesn't appear to be the case, but it appears as though we're in store for another typical Bond film that is loaded with action. What I would like to see would be an entire Bond film that was very much like the second half of Casino Royale, in that it featured very little action and focused more on character and story development (in other words, its focus was on drama rather than action). That's the kind of Bond film that I could get excited about at this point in time.

I don't know, perhaps I've just reached the point where I'm not all that interested in the Bond franchise anymore. I don't think that there has been a true stand-out Bond film in almost two decades, and it will probably take another truly exceptional Bond film to regenerate my interest in the franchise.


I assume you were aware that QOS was to follow on from CR (hence I'm assuming you knew that CR was setting up Bond to go after another organisation). If you feel that there hasn't been a stand out Bond film in two decades that's your fair opinion but why continually grumble about EON doing the 'same old' (in your eyes) if, from the sounds of it, you tired of the franchise evidently ages ago? The problem ppl have with the wave of negativity (hence leading to the arguments in this thread) is that some fans seem to complain every single time that they lose perspective over a period.

In other words why continually post if you genuinely are bored?


I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm bored with the franchise (and I'm not sure that saying that I've lost interest in the franchise was the best way for me to put it either) but rather I think that I'm just frustrated with the franchise and the way things have been going for close to two decades. I feel that, with an actor of Daniel Craig's quality (and the type of talent that he is able to attract to a project) that we should see something different on the screen rather than just a continuation of what we've seen before.

As for the negativity issue, I don't really feel as though I've lost perspective on what a good move for the franchise at this moment would be. (Also, the fact that I'm quite often negative about the film is why I very rarely post in the QoS forum0. A week or so ago when it was believed that Duffy would be performing the title track, I was very positive about that and believed that it was a great move for the franchise. When I see something positive come out of the production of Quantum of Solace I'll definitely be one of the first in line to say something positive about it. I just haven't seen that thus far like I did during the production of Casino Royale. I guess I'll see sometime in March (I'm assuming that's when the DVD is released) whether I'm right or wrong regarding how good or bad Quantum of Solace is, but so far I'm not excited (although I would very much like to be excited for the film. Maybe the next trailer will be good and it'll get me excited for the film.)

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#378 DR76

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 12:55 AM

Again, I won't pass judgment on the new theme song or Alicia Keyes and Jack White's contribution to it. I can't see how I can judge how a song is going to be without hearing it.


Mainly, I just want to see something that looks original. So far, Quantum of Solace seems like a return to the typical Bond that we've seen in 20 other films, whereas Casino Royale looked like it was beginning a departure from that type of Bond film.


Considering that QoS is a direct sequel to CR that picks up right where the last movie ended, how could it be a return to the typical Bond movie we have seen in the last 20 years? I have never heard of anything like that in any of the Bond film of the past 46 years.

Edited by DR76, 04 August 2008 - 12:58 AM.


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Posted 04 August 2008 - 01:27 AM

As (I'm presuming) a Dalton fan, tdalton, you're not the least interested in seeing Bond on a personal vendetta of sorts (I've been avoiding spoilers, but thats what I've gathered)? I guess you're right, that angle has been done before.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 01:39 AM

There is certainly plenty of discussion in the press about this, and that can only be good for the movie. It just goes to show what a prestigious honour it is to be chosen to do a Bond theme.

Sydney's free MX newspaper on public transport had an article on many of the previous Bond themes, including stories from Tom Jones about fainting on that last note of Thunderball, and Shirley Manson of Garbage saying what a great honour it was to do the theme from The World is not Enough, with a full orchestra there.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 01:52 AM

As (I'm presuming) a Dalton fan, tdalton, you're not the least interested in seeing Bond on a personal vendetta of sorts (I've been avoiding spoilers, but thats what I've gathered)? I guess you're right, that angle has been done before.


If the idea of Bond going on a personal vendetta was a fresh idea, I'd be in favor of it. But, each Bond film since LTK has featured some form of a personal vendetta on Bond's part and, for once, it would be nice to see a story that didn't feature Bond out for some form of revenge or on a personal vendetta. How much of a personal vendetta we see Bond on in QoS remains to be seen (although from the trailer and the ending of CR, I would imagine that it's a substantial basis of the film), but hopefully it features Bond working within the MI6 ranks rather than going rogue like he did in LTK.

Getting back to the song, I'm not saying that the song isn't going to be any good. I can't say that as I obviously haven't heard it yet. I'm just underwhelmed by the choice of artists that EON has made here. They could still turn in a fantastic title track, and if that is the case, then I'll be the first one in line to say that the song is good.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 01:58 AM

As (I'm presuming) a Dalton fan, tdalton, you're not the least interested in seeing Bond on a personal vendetta of sorts (I've been avoiding spoilers, but thats what I've gathered)? I guess you're right, that angle has been done before.


If the idea of Bond going on a personal vendetta was a fresh idea, I'd be in favor of it. But, each Bond film since LTK has featured some form of a personal vendetta on Bond's part and, for once, it would be nice to see a story that didn't feature Bond out for some form of revenge or on a personal vendetta. How much of a personal vendetta we see Bond on in QoS remains to be seen (although from the trailer and the ending of CR, I would imagine that it's a substantial basis of the film), but hopefully it features Bond working within the MI6 ranks rather than going rogue like he did in LTK.

Getting back to the song, I'm not saying that the song isn't going to be any good. I can't say that as I obviously haven't heard it yet. I'm just underwhelmed by the choice of artists that EON has made here. They could still turn in a fantastic title track, and if that is the case, then I'll be the first one in line to say that the song is good.


Yeah, the revenge angle has been done before, as has the personal vendetta. I agree that it would be nice to see Bond on a "normal mission" again, but many will say that all the Bond movies from TSWLM to TLD were normal missions and so that angle has been done too.

Like I've said in the past, it would be interesting to see 007 on a mission he doesn't believe in, maybe for political reasons, and goes along with it grudgingly only to discover something far worse under the surface.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 02:05 AM

Like I've said in the past, it would be interesting to see 007 on a mission he doesn't believe in, maybe for political reasons, and goes along with it grudgingly only to discover something far worse under the surface.


I very much like this idea and the potential that it has to be the basis for a great Bond film.

Another thing that I would love to see in a Bond film is some sort of genuine surprise. Usually with the films the supposed "surprise" isn't all that much of a surprise (Elektra being the villain in TWINE, Gustav Graves actually being Colonel Moon in DAD), but for once I would like to see something truly shocking happen in a Bond film that was very difficult to imagine happening, or even for a Bond film to have a big twist ending or end with Bond in some sort of peril and have it be unclear as to whether or not he'll escape the situation that he finds himself in at the end of the film.

#384 clinkeroo

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 07:06 AM

Always good to see a fellow Detroiter making a contribution to the world of Bond. Knock 'em dead, Jack!

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 07:57 AM

Couple of interesting points in this discussion. I myself never tired of the franchise except when DAD came out, I didn't even bother to see it in theaters, the first Bond I didn't went for the first time in 25 years.
CR re-ignited my interest in Bond and Fleming. I'm just afraid, like others above, that it was a one off, and I'm still waiting for something coming from EON about to plot, or anything, to woe me in. The trailer basically, apart from the slow mo shot (that many says will not be in the movie, but I think it will) is just blah. It's just standart trailer to say Bond is back, continuation of CR, action, action and more action. I want transgression. I want bond getting into an embassy and violating all the rules that cannot be violated, then showing his sensitive side later. That's the essence of Bond, a gorilla in a suit or tux. OHMSS is the ultimate Bond, along with CR in this regard.
Just bring a bloody better trailer to reassure the fan, Barbara, please. Everyone got the action message :tup:
PS : The Jack White thing is good step toward making this movie look good.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 08:41 AM

I actually don't mind the title of the song. The first that I had heard of the title track being announced was on the scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screen on CNN saying something to the effect that "Another Way To Die" was the first Bond title duet, but it did not say who the artists were for the song. I have been one that has said in just about every thread concerning potential title song artists that I want to see a duet for a title track, but to be perfectly honest, this news has left me a bit underwhelmed.


I wonder what it would take to actually get you overwhelmed. This forum is starting to feel like grumpy are us.


I would get overwhelmed about Quantum of Solace if there was something coming out of the production that actually made me want to see the film. I thought that a lot of what we were seeing from the production of Casino Royale was brilliant, and it had me anticipating the release of that film very much, and even as early as the release of the teaser trailer, I was anticipating the release of that film. With Quantum of Solace, I have yet to hear even one thing that has me genuinely excited for the film other than Daniel Craig is returning as Bond. The teaser trailer was rather dull and featured nothing that appeared the least bit interesting, the posters for the film thus far have been awful, and pretty much everything that I have read about the film has not excited me at all (including the announcement of the title song artists). I'm not anti-Quantum of Solace by any stretch of the imagination. If I saw something about the film that I liked or thought was interesting, I would say so, but I have yet to see anything like that from the production thus far.


I have to say that I know where you're coming from. The posters, the teaser trailer and the announcement of the song don't really give us an indication of how great, or otherwise, the film will be. And yet, and yet... I can't help feeling a little jaded about it all this time round. I want to be more excited about Quantum of Solace than I am. And maybe I will in weeks to come. But it's all feeling just a little bit dull to me right now and it's not negativity for the sake of it. It's just the way I feel. Sorry.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 09:16 AM

I understand those who worry a little about whether the title song will fit in with the film score in general - for me the best parts of the CASINO ROYALE score were the bits containing bits of YOU KNOW MY NAME (which I tolerate rather than like). Other than that I'm really not a big fan of the CR score. That's a concern - not a reason to go drown one self or decide the film is destined to be the worst thing since marmite.

There are reasons to be hopeful:

(1) The film score may be absolutely great even without the title track being woven into it. Wait and see. My reason for hope here is Arnold's early involvement, which I see as Forster's way to retain more control.

(2) From the press releases regarding ANOTHER WAY TO DAY we know it has already been recorded. The movie comes out in three month's time. No one can tell me there isn't time to incorporate it into the film score itself if it makes sense. So, there's time.

(3) If MK1 (or whatever it's called - what happened to proper names?) has finished the title sequence I bet the song was finished a while ago. It makes no sense for the two not to be, to at least some extent, co-created (or rather the title sequence molded to fit the song). At a minimum there would have been a demo of some sorts available before the recording session (the demo may have been around for quite a while - these artist types have busy scedules). At a very basic level the core melodies involved will have been available to Arnold for a while already - that's if it even matters.

So chill people. Just because you're hearing barks don't assume you're about to step in poo.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 10:53 PM

I understand those who worry a little about whether the title song will fit in with the film score in general - for me the best parts of the CASINO ROYALE score were the bits containing bits of YOU KNOW MY NAME (which I tolerate rather than like). Other than that I'm really not a big fan of the CR score. That's a concern - not a reason to go drown one self or decide the film is destined to be the worst thing since marmite.

There are reasons to be hopeful:

(1) The film score may be absolutely great even without the title track being woven into it. Wait and see. My reason for hope here is Arnold's early involvement, which I see as Forster's way to retain more control.

(2) From the press releases regarding ANOTHER WAY TO DAY we know it has already been recorded. The movie comes out in three month's time. No one can tell me there isn't time to incorporate it into the film score itself if it makes sense. So, there's time.

(3) If MK1 (or whatever it's called - what happened to proper names?) has finished the title sequence I bet the song was finished a while ago. It makes no sense for the two not to be, to at least some extent, co-created (or rather the title sequence molded to fit the song). At a minimum there would have been a demo of some sorts available before the recording session (the demo may have been around for quite a while - these artist types have busy scedules). At a very basic level the core melodies involved will have been available to Arnold for a while already - that's if it even matters.

So chill people. Just because you're hearing barks don't assume you're about to step in poo.


Yes, I said in a earlier post that surely it's a possibility that David Arnold heard Jack White's track back in May, when the first rumours about White being involved came up. This would mean he would potentially be able to fit it into the score.

And I agree with you about the CR score - I love the parts that incorporate YKMN, especially Welcome to the Bahamas and the aerial shot of the Orient Express in Montenegro.

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 09:13 AM

I understand those who worry a little about whether the title song will fit in with the film score in general - for me the best parts of the CASINO ROYALE score were the bits containing bits of YOU KNOW MY NAME (which I tolerate rather than like). Other than that I'm really not a big fan of the CR score. That's a concern - not a reason to go drown one self or decide the film is destined to be the worst thing since marmite.

There are reasons to be hopeful:

(1) The film score may be absolutely great even without the title track being woven into it. Wait and see. My reason for hope here is Arnold's early involvement, which I see as Forster's way to retain more control.

(2) From the press releases regarding ANOTHER WAY TO DAY we know it has already been recorded. The movie comes out in three month's time. No one can tell me there isn't time to incorporate it into the film score itself if it makes sense. So, there's time.

(3) If MK1 (or whatever it's called - what happened to proper names?) has finished the title sequence I bet the song was finished a while ago. It makes no sense for the two not to be, to at least some extent, co-created (or rather the title sequence molded to fit the song). At a minimum there would have been a demo of some sorts available before the recording session (the demo may have been around for quite a while - these artist types have busy scedules). At a very basic level the core melodies involved will have been available to Arnold for a while already - that's if it even matters.

So chill people. Just because you're hearing barks don't assume you're about to step in poo.


Yes, I said in a earlier post that surely it's a possibility that David Arnold heard Jack White's track back in May, when the first rumours about White being involved came up. This would mean he would potentially be able to fit it into the score.

And I agree with you about the CR score - I love the parts that incorporate YKMN, especially Welcome to the Bahamas and the aerial shot of the Orient Express in Montenegro.


Why are so many people fretting whether or not the theme tune will be incorporated into the score? Were any CBN contributors following David Arnold throughout his time scoring SOLACE? Of course not.

The crap speculation and anorak-led scare-mongering on these forums is getting out of hand. I don't remember this much redundant and naive paranoia with CASINO ROYALE.

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 10:23 AM

The crap speculation and anorak-led scare-mongering on these forums is getting out of hand. I don't remember this much redundant and naive paranoia with CASINO ROYALE.


Yeah. It baffles me too. I just think, that everyone is worried that Quantum of Solace wont deliver. Everyone had very high hopes for Casino Royale and they werent dissapointed. Now the sequel comes along and CBn is feeling the strain. It'll pass when the theatrical is released, I hope.