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[Skudor]

The proof will be in the pudding, as always. But I'm cautiously optimistic - it sounds like an interesting combo. And although the name sounds like a very bad idea for a Bond film title clearly the meaning links in with the story line ('Another Way to Die' obviously refering to the effects of losing a loved one) - I'm expecting something a bit moody (something Keys can do pretty well IMHO).

It can't get worse than Die Another Day, can it?

[marktmurphy]

My only concern is for the overall score. Arnold's best scores for Bond - IMHO - are the ones that got to fully exploit the title track within the main score. I could hum a half-dozen moments from TND (using Surrender), TWINE and CR that pumped up all the more thanks to this kind of theme use. Whereas DAD I struggle with - the score-only themes didn't impact so hard.

He used 'I Will Return' all the way through the DAD score. So perhaps that tells you something about the quality of that song.

Other than GE, all title songs where the composer hasn't been involved are very weak and I don't expect this one to be the exception.

From Russia With Love? Live and Let Die wasn't written with George Martin; still holds up fairly well.

The fact it's a duet makes it even more interesting to me. The title? I don't care about that. In fact, people are speculating the kind of song this will be. To some most obviously a ballad. But this is the thing that hit me after hearing the news about choice of talents and song title: something may ring ironic within the song itself. Like the irony of blind vengance, etc. And alot of White's songs drip with irony. And a title like that seems tongue-in-cheek to me in a way. And, honestly, somehow I think that could be a good thing if handled properly.

Ah- I'm glad someone else thought that; exactly my thought too- he does have his tongue in his cheek a lot (you'd have to to dress up as a Pearly King for an album cover!). Might be wrong as it's too early to say, but who knows?

[Zorin Industries]

My gut reaction is this sounds pretty crap to me. I hate the title of the song, it sounds like something from the Brosnan era, and I hate the fact that Arnold is not involved with the song at all. The collaboration sounds like U2 and Tina Turner's GE - which I absolutely hated!!!!!!

EON, what the hell are you doing? My fears were roused when I saw Craig flying the plane in the QOS trailer, and now this!! Did they not learn anything with what they did during the Brozza era, and with what they have now so miraculously done with CR?

Right now my optimism for this film is waning, especially in light of a truly great film like TDK. Nolan managed to pull off the impossible by making his sequel even better, but I'm beginning to think Babs and Co. only had one great film within them.

So to summarize then, a song you haven't heard sounds like another song you didn't like, and the Batman sequel was good, therefore the latest Bond movie won't be. All makes sense to me.

Did you actually read what I put, or are you just trying to put your own clever spin on it?

I have fears that QOS will slip back to the crappy Brozza era, and with a song not involving Arnold, a title that sounds like it has jumped straight out of the Brozza era, and yes, a superb Batman sequel which QOS will have to live up to, I do have doubts about the film.

Or is this not allowed in your little world...?

You certainly don't seem to have a glass half full attitude.

1. You ever heard the phrase don't judge a book by its cover? Titles don't make or break songs. I wonder how many people heard the title of the song "Over the hills and far away" before they heard the song and started bitching immediately?

2. Bond doesn't have to 'live up to' Batman. It has to live up to CR, a tall order in itself. But the critical and financial success of TDK has no influence on a movie released several months later. It's not like TDK is the new standard by which all films must be judged.

And not everyone thinks that THE DARK KNIGHT is the second coming...




David Arnold wanted to do a duet before. His original take on the song for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH was to feature Madonna and Lauryn Hill.

[baerrtt]

Probably the most intriguing choice(s) for a Bond song (even moreso than Cornell) ever and the party poopers and armchair critics who apparently know how to make a Bond film better than the production team come out to play .

As I said in another thread here once whether you like the choice of singer or the actual song it is irrelavent to the actual quality of the movie. I love the song of YOLT but think the actual film is one of the worst entries in the franchise, whilst personally YKMN does nothing for me yet it's attached to CR my all-time favourite Bond film yet.

Wait and see (or hear) before you start your tiresome grumblings.

[honeyjes]

[quote name='Captain Tightpants' date='30 July 2008 - 08:11' post='897418']
honeyjes, that would have carried so much more weight if you hadn't passed judgement on the storyline in the post

Read my post again, I didn't I surmised whats been said.

[dee-bee-five]

I'm failing to see how you can call yourselves Bond fans when you condemn every decision that gets made.

More than 40 years of watching and loving the character give me the right to call myself a Bond fan. But that doesn't forfeit my right to comment on Eon's decision. And, to my mind, this announcement is just boring. The song could well turn out to be splendid for all I know - although with Ms. Keys' involvement, my expecations aren't exactly high - and, at the end of the day, it is just a song. After all, the weedy a-ha and John Barry combination didn't exactly hurt TLD. But I just find this decision smacks of playing safe and it troubles me after the glorious triumph of Casino Royale.

[Simon]

I am sure this will be the best title track ever in the history of Bond. Ever.

[Safari Suit]

Meh. Not a fan of either of them to be honest, but it could be good.

[doubler83]

It says that White is playing drums, but can we expect him to be playing guitar too?

[marktmurphy]

I'm failing to see how you can call yourselves Bond fans when you condemn every decision that gets made.

More than 40 years of watching and loving the character give me the right to call myself a Bond fan. But that doesn't forfeit my right to comment on Eon's decision. And, to my mind, this announcement is just boring. The song could well turn out to be splendid for all I know - although with Ms. Keys' involvement, my expecations aren't exactly high - and, at the end of the day, it is just a song. After all, the weedy a-ha and John Barry combination didn't exactly hurt TLD. But I just find this decision smacks of playing safe and it troubles me after the glorious triumph of Casino Royale.

What's safe about Jack White? I don't get it. He's hardly Sting or Michael bleedin' Buble.

[DamnCoffee]

For some reason, I am starting to get very excited about Quantum of Solace, maybe it's because TDK is out of the way, my attentions are strongly centered around Quantum of Solace now.

and FINALLY we can put these Amy Winehouse rumours to rest.

[marktmurphy]

How come everyone's saying that he's written, produced and drumming on it: is he not singing or playing guitar? I'll be a little disappointed if he doesn't.
And it's hardly a duet if only one person is singing!

[Captain Tightpants]

How come everyone's saying that he's written, produced and drumming on it: is he not singing or playing guitar? I'll be a little disappointed if he doesn't.
And it's hardly a duet if only one person is singing!

He's signing, writing, drumming and producing. A man of many hats is Jack White.

No word on whether he'll be guitaring, though.

[sharpshooter]

and FINALLY we can put these Amy Winehouse rumours to rest.

Indeed. I'm glad she didn't get the job.

[Zorin Industries]

and FINALLY we can put these Amy Winehouse rumours to rest.

Indeed. I'm glad she didn't get the job.

On the basis of the title "ANOTHER WAY TO DIE" I would hold that thought for now...

[sharpshooter]

and FINALLY we can put these Amy Winehouse rumours to rest.

Indeed. I'm glad she didn't get the job.

On the basis of the title "ANOTHER WAY TO DIE" I would hold that thought for now...

Yep, the title is 'meh' for me as well. I'd still prefer this lot singing it than Winehouse, though.

[Mercator]

So long as is proper James Bond song that Dame Bassey would have sung if she was still here. I do not like these rock Bond songs: A View To The Kill, Living Daylights, Die Another Day and You Know The Name. Is all so not Bond, no? People know what they want to listen for to the Bond theme: is why those songs are not so successful. Most people on CBn did not like last theme song when they first have hearing of it. And nobody likes Madonna. Is silly song, no? I think the Quantum Of The Solace song will be good if they make it like Dame Bassey.

Edited by Mercator, 30 July 2008 - 11:37 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

So long as is proper James Bond song that Dame Bassey would have sung if she was still here.

erm..she is, she isn't dead.


I'm really exciited, I've been checking Key's music on youtube, she has an amazing voice. Her and White could make something really special here.

[Captain Tightpants]

So long as is proper James Bond song that Dame Bassey would have sung if she was still here.

erm..she is, she isn't dead.


I'm really exciited, I've been checking Key's music on youtube, she has an amazing voice. Her and White could make something really special here.

I think he meant here here, like still-involved-with-the-films here, if you know what I mean ...

... Actually, on second thoughts, you're probably right.

[Mr_Wint]

I was hoping that the success of Casino Royale would give EON enough confidence to focus on quality rather than the commercial interest. It seems like I was wrong. I've always felt that incoperating the theme song into the film score is a very good formula because it gives each new Bondfilm a distinctive musical identity. And that is what you need when making the sequel to 21 films...

[DamnCoffee]

I've been doing some digging around and apparently Keys has sung a song called "You Dont Know My Name"

[Loomis]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Flemming would be proud LOL. (I'm being sarcastic)

[Ace Roberts]

I was hoping that the success of Casino Royale would give EON enough confidence to focus on quality rather than the commercial interest. It seems like I was wrong. I've always felt that incoperating the theme song into the film score is a very good formula because it gives each new Bondfilm a distinctive musical identity. And that is what you need when making the sequel to 21 films...

The entertainment value of this thread almost exceeds the lead up to the trailer. Funny stuff!

Reminds me somewhat of all the negative reaction to Chris Cornell before anybody heard a single note - and the same concern about the song being written by the artist and not Arnold - then (and I know this is subject to personal tastes) - what came out was arguably the best theme song & soundtrack for a Bond film in ages. I'm reserveing judgement until I hear the new stuff.

But...I still am not a fan of the title.

[baerrtt]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Flemming would be proud LOL. (I'm being sarcastic)

We've never had artists duetting on a Bond song before (which is original). And how the heck, as someone said, is Jack White safe?

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

[DamnCoffee]

But...I still am not a fan of the title.

Who cares? It's only a song title, it will be featured in the movie, in text format, for about 5 seconds. Dont let it bother you.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I've had a good sleep on it and I'm feeling very content about the choice. The theme song was my only concern. I've loved everything about QoS from title to trailer. The whole of it makes me giddy as all get out. I have no doubt it's going to be incredible! I am relieved the theme is not by Winehouse only because EON doesn't need her drama. If she had her head together or Ronson could have gotten her on track, it'd be a different story. And having thought it over, though I'm not too familiar with his work, I know enough that Jack White has a punch that can harden any softness Keys may have. If it was Keys alone I think I'd be a bit more worried it'd become wistful.

It could have been so much worse. The more I thought it over the scarier the selections got. There are quite a handful of worse choices they could have gone with if they wanted to play it safe.

Now I'm anxious(in a good way)to give it a listen!

[Mr_Wint]

I was hoping that the success of Casino Royale would give EON enough confidence to focus on quality rather than the commercial interest. It seems like I was wrong. I've always felt that incoperating the theme song into the film score is a very good formula because it gives each new Bondfilm a distinctive musical identity. And that is what you need when making the sequel to 21 films...

The entertainment value of this thread almost exceeds the lead up to the trailer. Funny stuff!

Reminds me somewhat of all the negative reaction to Chris Cornell before anybody heard a single note - and the same concern about the song being written by the artist and not Arnold - then (and I know this is subject to personal tastes) - what came out was arguably the best theme song & soundtrack for a Bond film in ages. I'm reserveing judgement until I hear the new stuff.

But...I still am not a fan of the title.

Arnold was mentioned back then: "In collaboration with composer David Arnold, Cornell has written and will perform the main title song ‘You Know My Name’ for the film."

It is hard to go into a deeper analysis of the song since we have not heard it yet. I think most people here are discussing and reacting to this news. And there is nothing wrong with that.

[Captain Tightpants]

I was hoping that the success of Casino Royale would give EON enough confidence to focus on quality rather than the commercial interest. It seems like I was wrong. I've always felt that incoperating the theme song into the film score is a very good formula because it gives each new Bondfilm a distinctive musical identity. And that is what you need when making the sequel to 21 films...

Quality and commercial inerests are not mutually exclusive events; one can exist in the presence of another. Even if EON signed an artist after heavy pressure from Sony that went agaisnt everything EON wanted in a theme song, that does not mean the title song cannot be good.

[bond 16.05.72]

Judging by the amount of people who have said they don't even know Jack White or his music on this thread, how the hell is that safe?

At last EON have picked someone who isn't on the downslide of their career like practically every artists who's provided a theme for the last 30 years.

Yes there has been some gems here and there but the crap definetley out weighs the good.

Cornell was huge in the 90's and even his success with Audioslave this decade was nowhere near his grunge heyday level.

White is a tremendously talented and electrifying artist, this is superb news and hardly safe. I admit it's only been in the last 2 years or so I've warmed to his music, I don't let the music press dictate my taste.

Although I couldn't resist One Nation Army and Elephant is a classic. The new Raconteurs album is my joint fav this year alongside other one day Bond hopefuls Portishead.

What with some members suggesting garbage like Maroon 5 or Coldplay etc, this is indeed exciting news, a duet is a first as well, I don't love Keys but I don't hate her music but Jack's input should make this a worthy Bond classic and also once again just so it sinks in, this is not safe.

[Captain Tightpants]

Judging by the amount of people who have said they don't even know Jack White or his music on this thread, how the hell is that safe?

At last EON have picked someone who isn't on the downslide of their career like practically every artists who's provided a theme for the last 30 years.

Yes there has been some gems here and there but the crap definetley out weighs the good.

Cornell was huge in the 90's and even his success with Audioslave this decade was nowhere near his grunge heyday level.

White is a tremendously talented and electrifying artist, this is superb news and hardly safe. I admit it's only been in the last 2 years or so I've warmed to his music, I don't let the music press dictate my taste.

Although I couldn't resist One Nation Army and Elephant is a classic. The new Raconteurs album is my joint fav this year alongside other one day Bond hopefuls Portishead.

What with some members suggesting garbage like Maroon 5 or Coldplay etc, this is indeed exciting news, a duet is a first as well, I don't love Keys but I don't hate her music but Jack's input should make this a worthy Bond classic and also once again just so it sinks in, this is not safe.

Sinc you're evidently a fan, how does White rate lyrically?

EDIT: Sometimes "safe" is a synonym for "boring", just as cowardice is another word for being taken by surprise.

Edited by Captain Tightpants, 30 July 2008 - 12:51 PM.