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[DamnCoffee]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

I have no problem with them recasting the Jowker.


The Joker is an entirely different matter though, I really do think Ledger was that good, that it would be pointless to recast him as Ledger nailed the part perfectly, anyway, it would be disrespectful.

[dodge]

I'd assumed that Anton Coin Toss Dent was blown up at the end of TDK. Now, I don't mind trick endings but--imo--they really ought to leave him six-feet under. One of Nolan's triumphs with his two BM movies has been a perfect balance of verisimitude and fantasy. From Tim Burton's Gotham to the Windy City. From Nicholson's garish cartoon to Ledger's punk nihilist. Yeah! But if Chuigurh had a bad haircut, surely we can all admit the changed Dent has got at least half of a bad face. I see no way for Nolan to sustan his perfect balance with lurid B-movie makeup like that. Arnold looked better as Mr. Freeze. There's nothing to prevent the Nolans from creating a new villain.

[DamnCoffee]

I dont know if this has been reported on here but...

Johnny Depp and Philip Seymour Hoffman have been linked to roles in the sequel to The Dark Knight.

According to the National Enquirer, Depp has been tipped to play villain The Riddler, while Hoffman may be cast as The Penguin.

"[Producers] are convinced that the role of the Riddler is perfect for Depp," said a source. "Johnny's a pro. He'll be able to take direction from director Chris Nolan and still make the character his own.

"And what better Penguin is there than Philip Seymour Hoffman?"

Jim Carrey played the The Riddler in 1995's Batman Forever, while Danny DeVito was The Penguin in Tim Burton's Batman Returns.

and

Actress Julie Newmar has claimed that Angelina Jolie inquired about playing Batman villain Catwoman.

Newmar, who played the character in the 1960s Batman TV series, also argued that Jolie would be the perfect casting for the role.

"Angelina would own the part," Newmar told the New York Daily News. "My industry friends tell me [she] has made inquiries about the role.

"I can understand how it would pique her interest. Catwoman is Batman's one true love. She's tremendously popular with women because she's both a heroine and a villainess."

Other actresses that have played Catwoman include Halle Berry, Eartha Kitt, Lee Meriwether and Michelle Pfeiffer.

[Mister Asterix]

I could go the rest of my life without another interpretation of the Penguin. Burgess Meredith will never be surpassed and, as far as I see, there is no version of the Penguin that fits in anything more serious than the ‘Batman’ show of the ’60s.

And while I’d take Jolie as Catwoman, I think they can do better.

Depp as the Riddler? That’s hit or miss.

[Andrew]

I stopped taking the report seriously at "the National Enquirer."

[Cruiserweight]

Director Christopher Nolan took the helm as director of the new Batman franchise with the 2005 film Batman Begins. In The Gotham Times, a viral marketing website promoting the 2008 film The Dark Knight, Edward Nashton, an alias of The Riddler, is credited for a letter to the editor titled "Dent Cannot Be Believed" in Issue 2 page 2. Although Anthony Michael Hall was rumored to be playing the Riddler, he actually played a reporter named Mike Engel. While doing press for The Dark Knight, Gary Oldman alluded that the Riddler could be the villain in the proposed third film. Doctor Who actor David Tennant has recently expressed an interest in playing the role. Rumors have also sprouted on the internet that Sweeney Todd actor Johnny Depp has been considered for the role, though for now this remains simply a rumor

[Harmsway]

I stopped taking the report seriously at "the National Enquirer."

Well any casting rumors are, at this point, just tabloid drivel. No work has begun on BATMAN 3. They don't even have a story, much less any idea of who they should start casting.

[Andrew]

I stopped taking the report seriously at "the National Enquirer."

Well any casting rumors are, at this point, just tabloid drivel. No work has begun on BATMAN 3. They don't even have a story, much less any idea of who they should start casting.

Yes, I'm well aware of those things. I suppose "taking the report seriously" was a bit too strong.

Director Christopher Nolan took the helm as director of the new Batman franchise with the 2005 film Batman Begins. In The Gotham Times, a viral marketing website promoting the 2008 film The Dark Knight, Edward Nashton, an alias of The Riddler, is credited for a letter to the editor titled "Dent Cannot Be Believed" in Issue 2 page 2. Although Anthony Michael Hall was rumored to be playing the Riddler, he actually played a reporter named Mike Engel. While doing press for The Dark Knight, Gary Oldman alluded that the Riddler could be the villain in the proposed third film. Doctor Who actor David Tennant has recently expressed an interest in playing the role. Rumors have also sprouted on the internet that Sweeney Todd actor Johnny Depp has been considered for the role, though for now this remains simply a rumor

Someone's a Wikipedia fan...

[Cruiserweight]

I stopped taking the report seriously at "the National Enquirer."

Well any casting rumors are, at this point, just tabloid drivel. No work has begun on BATMAN 3. They don't even have a story, much less any idea of who they should start casting.

Yes, I'm well aware of those things. I suppose "taking the report seriously" was a bit too strong.

Director Christopher Nolan took the helm as director of the new Batman franchise with the 2005 film Batman Begins. In The Gotham Times, a viral marketing website promoting the 2008 film The Dark Knight, Edward Nashton, an alias of The Riddler, is credited for a letter to the editor titled "Dent Cannot Be Believed" in Issue 2 page 2. Although Anthony Michael Hall was rumored to be playing the Riddler, he actually played a reporter named Mike Engel. While doing press for The Dark Knight, Gary Oldman alluded that the Riddler could be the villain in the proposed third film. Doctor Who actor David Tennant has recently expressed an interest in playing the role. Rumors have also sprouted on the internet that Sweeney Todd actor Johnny Depp has been considered for the role, though for now this remains simply a rumor

Someone's a Wikipedia fan...

Yes i am

[Mercator]

Or they could have other villains from the Batman saga.
Villains not seen on screen before.

[Single-O-Seven]

Or they could have other villains from the Batman saga.
Villains not seen on screen before.

This is what Goyer seems intent on doing, and I think it's a great idea. It's about time Egghead had his due in the cinema.

[Righty007]

Or they could have other villains from the Batman saga.
Villains not seen on screen before.

It's about time Egghead had his due in the cinema.

I'd rather see King Tut.

[Double-Oh Agent]

My choice for the Penguin would be David Suchet. He's a good actor, the right shape, and he plays a good villain--see Executive Decision and The Bank Job.

Seeing as Christopher Nolan is going for a more serious/realistic portrayal of Gotham, I can't see the Riddler being played in a Frank Gorshin/Jim Carrey style. It will probably be more in line with Batman: The Animated Series way only with a little more humor. And with a more serious Riddler, I would suggest the casting of Hugo Weaving. He's slim, knows how to play smart characters, has a gravitas to him, and would have interesting line readings.

As for Catwoman, I have to admit the first person who came to mind was Angelina Jolie. She can play both good and bad, has an edge to her, and is sexy as hell.

Well, there's my two cents.

Comments?

[Tarl_Cabot]

My choice for the Penguin would be David Suchet. He's a good actor, the right shape, and he plays a good villain--see Executive Decision and The Bank Job.

Seeing as Christopher Nolan is going for a more serious/realistic portrayal of Gotham, I can't see the Riddler being played in a Frank Gorshin/Jim Carrey style. It will probably be more in line with Batman: The Animated Series way only with a little more humor. And with a more serious Riddler, I would suggest the casting of Hugo Weaving. He's slim, knows how to play smart characters, has a gravitas to him, and would have interesting line readings.

As for Catwoman, I have to admit the first person who came to mind was Angelina Jolie. She can play both good and bad, has an edge to her, and is sexy as hell.

Well, there's my two cents.

Comments?

Paul Giamatti is my choice for Penquin. But I'd rather see the Riddler played by Casey Affleck. Jolie is a great choice for the reasons you covered but perhaps too big a celebrity for the role...I dunno...I'm partial to an unknown but Liam Neeson was well known and great. I also like Eva Green.

[Double-Oh Agent]

My choice for the Penguin would be David Suchet. He's a good actor, the right shape, and he plays a good villain--see Executive Decision and The Bank Job.

Seeing as Christopher Nolan is going for a more serious/realistic portrayal of Gotham, I can't see the Riddler being played in a Frank Gorshin/Jim Carrey style. It will probably be more in line with Batman: The Animated Series way only with a little more humor. And with a more serious Riddler, I would suggest the casting of Hugo Weaving. He's slim, knows how to play smart characters, has a gravitas to him, and would have interesting line readings.

As for Catwoman, I have to admit the first person who came to mind was Angelina Jolie. She can play both good and bad, has an edge to her, and is sexy as hell.

Well, there's my two cents.

Comments?

Paul Giamatti is my choice for Penquin. But I'd rather see the Riddler played by Casey Affleck. Jolie is a great choice for the reasons you covered but perhaps too big a celebrity for the role...I dunno...I'm partial to an unknown but Liam Neeson was well known and great. I also like Eva Green.

Paul Giamatti would be interesting, however, I don't get an aristocratic vibe from him. Casey Affleck I'm not as sold on. He was good in Gone Baby Gone but I need to see more from him.

[HildebrandRarity]

When the studio went wild by signing "names" the previous incarnation hit the skids.

Do fans want a repeat? Keep Depp, Seymour-Hoffman and Jolie away or risk the reboot getting bogged down in parody and camp and trash.

[tdalton]

When the studio went wild by signing "names" the previous incarnation hit the skids.

Do fans want a repeat? Keep Depp, Seymour-Hoffman and Jolie away or risk the reboot getting bogged down in parody and camp and trash.

Completely agreed. I think that, if the next villains were to be the Riddler, Penguin, and Catwoman, that I'd like to see them played by Casey Affleck, Bob Hoskins, and Eva Green respectively (none of which are the big name actors like Depp, Hoffman, or Jolie, but each could turn in great performances in the roles.)

[DamnCoffee]

Eva Green is an original choice for Catwoman, I'd like that very much. I'd also like Olga Kurylenko.

[Vauxhall]

Eva Green is an original choice for Catwoman, I'd like that very much. I'd also like Olga Kurylenko.

I've only seen Kurylenko in HITMAN and that performance wasn't really adequate for me to judge her suitability as a future Catwoman. Which performance of hers have you seen Harkers that made you think she would be good as Catwoman?

[AngryPolarBear]

Didn't Nolan say that the Penguin didn't fit into his Batman universe? Something I really weird. Either way I support the suggestion of Hoffman in the role, if someone doesn't come up with something more original. He was really a great villain in MI:3.

[Publius]

I think Heath should return as the Joker in the next film via special effects.

Good idea but they would still need to get a good voice actor.

Mark Hamill!

Seeing as Christopher Nolan is going for a more serious/realistic portrayal of Gotham, I can't see the Riddler being played in a Frank Gorshin/Jim Carrey style. It will probably be more in line with Batman: The Animated Series way only with a little more humor. And with a more serious Riddler, I would suggest the casting of Hugo Weaving. He's slim, knows how to play smart characters, has a gravitas to him, and would have interesting line readings.

Great choice!

Alternatively, how about either one of my favorite should-have-been-Bonds: Sean Bean or Jason Isaacs. I think it'll take an actor of their caliber and sinister edge to follow Ledger's Joker.

For Catwoman, who I'm not yet convinced would be a good idea, I think a somewhat (but not too much) "name" actress who has the perfect look is Megan Fox.

[dodge]

The Joker's punk look was a killer--largely accounting for the fact that even non-comix lovers were able to buy the character as a psycho freak in a far more realistic landscape. The makeup--at least partly Ledger's idea, I believe--was also brilliant, grounded in the punk look. The voice--sheer genius. And, though I haven't seen any comments on this, TJ's wardrobe was also perfection--the lapelled vest gave him a rakish look that was both poignant and shocking.

Now, then BM3...How can any other villian come within a hundred miles? I believe so--but not with Two Face, whose makeup will undo him. The error there, imo, was taking the original character too literally. I've read that Eckart is able to do a brilliant impersonation of the character without any makeup at all. And I've also read that John Barrymore played Mr. Hyde on screen--unbelievably almost--sans makeup as well. Not only would TF have been easier on the eyes, he would have been far, far more interesting and compelling if he hadn't been transformed into a case study of crappy special effects.

What would I like to see? The Penguin done not as a comic book human penguin but as a creepy, scary dude with one or two penguin-like characteristics.

Freeze done in an imaginative way that still leaves us the luxury of seeing him as human.

Fingers crossed.

[Single-O-Seven]

What would I like to see? The Penguin done not as a comic book human penguin but as a creepy, scary dude with one or two penguin-like characteristics.

I concur, and I don't quite understand why Nolan doesn't see him as a character to fit his new Batman universe. He doesn't need to sqwuack like a penguin or waddle. He might just have a long, bird-like nose and an affinity for tuxedos, earning him the nickname "Penguin" - a name he may deplore having used around him. He'd be great as a small villain, like an arms smuggler trying to resupply Gotham's shattered criminal organisations in order to better fight Batman, all while serving as the owner of the Iceberg Lounge, the backrooms of which serve as meeting places for his criminal activities. The monocle can go - perhaps use it as nothing more than something he keeps in his pocket and puts on to inspect the weapons he's buying. And he can have realistic trick umbrellas - like ones that fire a rifle round or inject poison through syringes secreted in their peaks (such trick umbrellas are very real!). We may even see him buying them for the first time to sell to Gotham's criminals, and keeping one for himself (and later using it in a battle with Batman). Nothing needs to be overdone and overtop. The Penguin can be a very down-to-earth and great criminal character maintaining some of the spirit of the character's comic book traits. And yes, Hoffman would be great!

[Blonde Bond]

The Joker is an entirely different matter though, I really do think Ledger was that good, that it would be pointless to recast him as Ledger nailed the part perfectly, anyway, it would be disrespectful.

Yeah, I can see how Nolan or major studio like Warner Bros wouldn't recast roles after an actor has died.

Like they didn't recast Richard Harris's character in the next Harry Potter movie.

Believe me, if they want to use the Joker in next bat-flick, they will recast him. May Ledger rest in peace, but I don't see why his role couldn't be done by some other. Yes, his Joker was great. Better than Nicholson's Joker, but there are actors who could do the role... Depp comes to mind. Although he might be a wee bit too old. Then again, if Joker wears makeup to conceal his face, then why can't make up conceal some old dude's like Depp's wrinkled face?

[Harmsway]

Now, then BM3...How can any other villian come within a hundred miles? I believe so--but not with Two Face, whose makeup will undo him. The error there, imo, was taking the original character too literally.

Are you suggesting they not disfigure Two-Face at all?! I could understand the request to tone the look down, but to get rid of it altogether is a rather drastic re-write of a solid, beloved character, and only the kind that someone loosely acquainted with the character would ask for (the fanbase would riot in the streets, and rightly so). If you're going to take that step, you might as well not use the character at all and just right someone new.

The facial deformity is what carries the character from just another baddie to a mythic foe. And the myth is essential to the superhero genre and Batman, even when you're doing a more real-world spin. Even for all it's "realistic" coating (which isn't realistic at all, when you get down to it), THE DARK KNIGHT is mythology. It's the equivalent of saying the Joker should have just looked like a normal dude, or that Batman shouldn't really wear armor designed to echo a bat.

And personally, I thought the effects were damn good. This feeling was only confirmed when I saw Two-Face on the IMAX screen and was able to really appreciate the quality and detail of the effects work. I daresay, his face is more convincing larger than it is smaller!

What would I like to see? The Penguin done not as a comic book human penguin but as a creepy, scary dude with one or two penguin-like characteristics.

Well, Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan, and David Goyer have all ruled the Penguin out. I wouldn't count on him. Besides, there's nothing really interesting about the character, anyway.

[Blonde Bond]

Penguin has been an interesting character only once. And on that occasion the character was pretty much overhauled and done differently than in the comic books. The only time when The Penguin was more interesting character than The Joker.

I'm of course talking about Burton's vision of the Penguin which was much better than the Joker seen in the first Burton's Batman.

[DamnCoffee]

The Joker is an entirely different matter though, I really do think Ledger was that good, that it would be pointless to recast him as Ledger nailed the part perfectly, anyway, it would be disrespectful.

Yeah, I can see how Nolan or major studio like Warner Bros wouldn't recast roles after an actor has died.

Like they didn't recast Richard Harris's character in the next Harry Potter movie.

Yes, but the difference is. Dumblebore was important to the story, so if the producers wanted to continue with the Harry Potter franchise, he had to be recast. The Joker on the other hand, doesn't need to return for the Nolan franchise to continue.

Which performance of hers have you seen Harkers that made you think she would be good as Catwoman?

Nothing, I just think she looks feisty.

[Publius]

The Joker on the other hand, doesn't need to return for the Nolan franchise to continue.

Additionally, I think leaving the Joker in TDK, at least for a while, makes him all the more menacing there and doesn't diminish the character's presence from overuse. That cackling while hanging upside down after he predicted a never-ending rivalry with Batman was a great way for the Joker to go out. His shadow will be cast over the sequel (and many a Batman movie after that), but at least that gives Nolan and company a challenge.

[Double-Oh Agent]

I think Heath should return as the Joker in the next film via special effects.

Good idea but they would still need to get a good voice actor.

Mark Hamill!

Seeing as Christopher Nolan is going for a more serious/realistic portrayal of Gotham, I can't see the Riddler being played in a Frank Gorshin/Jim Carrey style. It will probably be more in line with Batman: The Animated Series way only with a little more humor. And with a more serious Riddler, I would suggest the casting of Hugo Weaving. He's slim, knows how to play smart characters, has a gravitas to him, and would have interesting line readings.

Great choice!

Alternatively, how about either one of my favorite should-have-been-Bonds: Sean Bean or Jason Isaacs. I think it'll take an actor of their caliber and sinister edge to follow Ledger's Joker.

For Catwoman, who I'm not yet convinced would be a good idea, I think a somewhat (but not too much) "name" actress who has the perfect look is Megan Fox.

Regarding your choices for the Riddler, I'd lean toward Jason Isaacs. Sean Bean seems to physical for the role to me (probably preconceived notions) whereas I don't automatically have that opinion of Isaacs. Still, I prefer my candidate--Hugo Weaving.

[killkenny kid]

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Yeah, I know. Some of the answers are just nut! Mad Hatter? Calender Man?....I'm so glad this is Nolan's world. This will never happen.