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[Righty007]

First off, NO studio executive would EVER allow the Joker to be recast. No one would top Heath, and it would be completely insulting. Plus, they dont need to.


I don't think you're sure that no studio executive would ever allow the joker to be recast...obviously that is your opinion stated as a fact. And, I truly don't understand these "recasting joker would be insulting" comments. Just because he did a great job as the joker and died doesn't mean he can't be recast, and it sincerely wouldn't be an insult. I'd like to believe that he wanted the role to continue what he started. It's an insult if they DON'T continue it just because he died...I mean, come on guys.

I'm not saying Joker would be in the third film, i'm just saying.


Uh, everybody knows Dent is dead. There was a public funeral.


It was a wake, not a funeral. There was no casket.

Nobody knows whether it was a funeral, wake or memorial service because they only showed Gordon at a podium. The point is that Dent's dead and it's public knowledge.

[Andrew]

I don't think anyone is saying it will be insulting to recast The Joker, just that it will be nearly impossible for anyone to live up to that performance so soon.

[Gobi-1]

Regardless of what Nolan may have had in store with the Joker for Batman 3 I think the way The Dark Knight ended was perfect. The Joker is caught (for now) but he is destined to battle Batman forever.

The Joker will be back on the big screen, someday, but I don't think it will be in this series.

[sharpshooter]

Here’s a thought I’ll put out, a kind of un-intended result that can work in Batman’s favour.

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In the finale of TDK, Batman takes the blame for Dent’s crimes to uphold his memory as Gotham’s redeemer.

Remember Maroni said to Batman that the criminals now know that he has rules, and the Joker has none? Well, with Batman taking the responsibility for these murders, people will think that he now has no rules. Consequently, they will dread him even more.

[Gabe Vieira]

Just because he did a great job as the joker and died doesn't mean he can't be recast, and it sincerely wouldn't be an insult. I'd like to believe that he wanted the role to continue what he started. It's an insult if they DON'T continue it just because he died...I mean, come on guys.

I'm not saying Joker would be in the third film, i'm just saying.

Okay, but there is NO need for the Joker to me a major part of the next film.

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The Joker is captured, what's the next film going to be about? The Joker escapes?.

The Borthers Nolan/ Goyer would never touch that. That is an evident fact based on their comments about what villians will be fetured in the next film. They have mentioned that there are so many characters within 80 years of Batman history, that they do not want to use Catwoman or the Penguin, as many people have suggested, so why the Hell would they use the Joker again?! Someone explain that to me, rationally.

Plus, Nolan and Goyer never had any plans for the Joker to be a major part of the next film to begin with. Originally, the Joker was going to be captured, goes on trial, and he was going to be the one to scar Dent, and Dent was going to be the villian for the third film.

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I can nearly guarentee you that the most we will see of the Joker in the next film, are some shots of him (from the back) inside his cell at Arkham. Of course there'll be some dialouge for the story, but he will not have any screen time. Maybe, just maybe, if Nolan and company decide that they've had a good run, and want nothing more to do with the series (a major possibility, since most of the cast/ crew is only signed for one more film), it will end with the Joker escaping. After all, he said, "I think we're destined to do this for a long time."

[Publius]

Joker doesn't need to be recast. Not in this franchise. THE DARK KNIGHT's Joker casts a very long shadow indeed. In fact, it might just be the best portrayal of the character in any medium, ever. And that's astounding. Before I saw the performance, I was more willing to say that the part could be recast... but Ledger's too good.

Well, as much as I loved Ledger's Joker (already one of my favorite cinematic villains of all time) and agree that it's the most well-rounded, I'm more partial to Mark Hamill when it comes to what Joker's voice and laugh should sound like. I still get chills listening to some of these.

Anyway, I'm just throwing this crazy idea out there, but running with the theme presented at the end of TDK, maybe Batman will be the next villain, at least in the Gotham public's eye. Maybe after the events of TDK, Gotham decides to turn to the world's greatest detective, a man whose identity is shrouded in secrecy and goes only by the moniker of The Riddler. A cat-and-mouse game between the two great intellects ensues.

Meanwhile, Batman increasingly finds himself being set up to take the blame for crimes he didn't commit, forcing him to unravel that set of mysteries even as he has to avoid The Riddler's traps. It'd take some really, really good writing to make such cerebral conflict work, however. Those familiar with the anime Death Note might have a good idea of what I'm going for (with L being a model for The Riddler), although that show quickly went off the deep end with deus ex machinas.

I'm not well-versed in Bat-lore beyond the early 90s animated series, so I'm probably offending many a fan.

[Cruiserweight]

Nolan already said no to recasting the Joker & that's fine by me.The Joker doesn't need to be seen on onscreen to play a role in any sequels.He's a powerful enough of a character where he could be pulling the strings of all the events in any sequel while still in Arkham Asylum. All you need to do is maybe reference the Joker here & there & throw in Heaths Joker laugh & it's all good. As far as a villain goes,the Riddler is what i want.

[Vauxhall]

Just a few quick thoughts having seen THE DARK KNIGHT. I thoroughly enjoyed the character of Two Face here, but feel that a nice conclusion had been reached in his story by the end of the movie. It was obviously written with the intention of The Joker returning in the future, but now I feel that there is absolutely no way that avenue can be pursued.

In regards to the fate of Batman, I suppose the only thing preventing Bruce Wayne just going back to being Bruce Wayne, and a comparatively quiet life, is his sense of obligation to the city? However, without feeling appreciated by the people, it will quite clearly be tough for him to continue his crusade. I suppose this is likely to be an important undertone to the next movie, and hopefully there are some plans starting to formulate about the villains best positioned to challenge him.

A quick question that's just come to me... did Coleman Reese die in THE DARK KNIGHT? Has he still got the opportunity to blow the whistle on Batman? Sorry if I've missed something obvious here. I've just read speculation elsewhere that "Mr Reese" (mysteries) is similar to "E. Nygma" (enigma), and that he could therefore become a future Riddler. Interesting idea.

[Publius]

A quick question that's just come to me... did Coleman Reese die in THE DARK KNIGHT? Has he still got the opportunity to blow the whistle on Batman? Sorry if I've missed something obvious here. I've just read speculation elsewhere that "Mr Reese" (mysteries) is similar to "E. Nygma" (enigma), and that he could therefore become a future Riddler. Interesting idea.

As far as I know, he didn't.

And if that really is the case, I wish they hadn't made him such a sniveling punk. It'd be like Scarecrow redux, which would also imply he's not the main villain, and that would royally blow IMO.

[Harmsway]

I don't think Mr. Reese will be the Riddler. Not only does it seem that Nolan and co. have not planned that far ahead, it just doesn't seem indicated in the film itself.

I'm all for the Riddler in BATMAN 3, but Mr. Reese isn't the way to go.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm all for the Riddler in BATMAN 3, but Mr. Reese isn't the way to go.

What about David Tennant?

[Vauxhall]

I'm all for the Riddler in BATMAN 3, but Mr. Reese isn't the way to go.

What about David Tennant?

Not for me personally. I think he'd have to break Hollywood a bit more first. I liked the suggestion of Casey Affleck a great deal. If they could attract Johnny Depp, he could do a decent job; he loves those quirky sort of characters. I'm loathe to say it, but I think James McAvoy could also create an interesting interpretation...

[DamnCoffee]

I wonder if anyone thinks Daniel Craig would make a good Batman villain.

I also like the idea of...

Timothy Spall as The Penguin.
and
Olga Kurylenko as Catwoman.

[Cruiserweight]

For the Riddler i'd like an older actor for the part.Not someone too young but not someone too old either.Maybe anywhere in his late 30's to early 50's? The Riddler is much more of a brains character then a brawn character so i think a older actor would be nice.

[Mister E]

I'm loathe to say it, but I think James McAvoy could also create an interesting interpretation...

I haven't seen him anything that would indicate that. I liked The Last King of Scotland but his preformance didn't blow me away.

[DamnCoffee]

I've currently been watching the Nightmare on Elm Street series and I thought that Robert Englund - Freddy would be an interesting Riddler.

[Safari Suit]

I doubt it would ever happen, but he would be good. In fact I believe he was considered for that role in Batman Forever.

[Vauxhall]

I've always imagined the Riddler as a younger individual, but I suppose he would be decent.

[Cruiserweight]

If this was a light hearted version then i'd say Conan O'Brien.

But maybe a David Hyde Pierce type? Since the Riddler has always been played up as a older person(Except in Batman Forever)

[TortillaFactory]

I don't think Mr. Reese will be the Riddler. Not only does it seem that Nolan and co. have not planned that far ahead, it just doesn't seem indicated in the film itself.

I'm all for the Riddler in BATMAN 3, but Mr. Reese isn't the way to go.

I like the "MisterReese" theory, but as mikeyfish pointed out to me, he doesn't really seem bright enough to be the Riddler. Besides, I think they took him out of the game by showing that he knows Bruce

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saved his life.

I don't think the Riddler can be done again so soon after Carrey's popular portrayal. But if Nolan goes and Nolanizes the character like he did with Two-Face, I guess it's possible.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

Cinematical had a post yesterday pushing for Angelina Jolie as Catwoman.
They had a poll and the majority loved the idea, in a very close second was those who hated the idea.

[Mister Asterix]

I don't think the Riddler can be done again so soon after Carrey's popular portrayal. But if Nolan goes and Nolanizes the character like he did with Two-Face, I guess it's possible.

I could see Nolan doing a Riddler similar to the style of Robert Englund’s on ‘The Batman’. Not that I think Nolan would go exactly in that direction, but I could see it.

[Safari Suit]

I don't think the Riddler can be done again so soon after Carrey's popular portrayal. But if Nolan goes and Nolanizes the character like he did with Two-Face, I guess it's possible.

Well it will have been at least 15 years by the time the film reaches theatres; if another interpretation of The Joker can hit cinemas 19 years after Nicholson's much more iconic (than Carrey's Riddler) Joker, I don't see any reason it can't be done.

A question for those with more Bat knowledge than me; is it true The Riddler hardly ever, if ever, kills?

[Mercator]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

[Aris007]

And what about Batman? He's now the hunted, not the hunter! Everyone in Gotham doesn't want him back! How is he suposed to return?

[Vauxhall]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

Heath Ledger was so good that they should replace him? I fail to see the logic here.

[Mister Asterix]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

Heath Ledger was so good that they should replace him? I fail to see the logic here.

I think Heath should return as the Joker in the next film via special effects.

[Righty007]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

Heath Ledger was so good that they should replace him? I fail to see the logic here.

I think Heath should return as the Joker in the next film via special effects.

Good idea but they would still need to get a good voice actor.

[Mister Asterix]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

Heath Ledger was so good that they should replace him? I fail to see the logic here.

I think Heath should return as the Joker in the next film via special effects.

Good idea but they would still need to get a good voice actor.

Yeah, that’d be the hardest part for them, I’d think. Particularly since Heath only did the one film with this voice. But then I wouldn’t give him a big part. I’ve heard the plan was originally for him to return for this third film in a smaller part. I’d just keep that plan.

[Skudor]

I think they should recast Jowker - Heath was so good, no?

Heath Ledger was so good that they should replace him? I fail to see the logic here.

I think Heath should return as the Joker in the next film via special effects.

Good idea but they would still need to get a good voice actor.

Yeah, that’d be the hardest part for them, I’d think. Particularly since Heath only did the one film with this voice. But then I wouldn’t give him a big part. I’ve heard the plan was originally for him to return for this third film in a smaller part. I’d just keep that plan.

I say they should just keep the Joker out of the next one. He was captured at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT. There's not reason for him to reappear (unlike that guy with the potato-sack over his head, who hadn't been captued at the end of the previous film).

The Joker could be re-introduced later, without special effects, when direct comparisons with Ledger would be less obvious.