Probably one of the better reviews I've read; very much agree.THE DODGE SUPREMACY
Or: Lemme at my Humble Pie!
Call this less a review than a cautionary tale about the mortal dangers of loving a film in advance.... How many stars do I give it today? At best, 1-1/2. In my darker moments, I give it less than that--and see it as a plastic toy that should have been stuffed in a cereal box....
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 02:45 PM
For all of you people who haven't checked it out yet...when you do see it - dont take it seriously because you WILL find it horrible, just sit back and let it entertain you and you'll appreciate it more. 
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 02:58 PM
That's what I did when I saw it. And I still thought it was utter crap.
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LIES! 
Look... I can understand why people may be pissed off by the whole Alien thing, but I thought that the film itself was very entertaining.
I loved Indiana's Introduction and the whole Warehouse scene! Plus the fact that we saw the Ark was a lovely touch, and the Raiders March was immense! Not just Indys introduction and the Warhouse scene but the whole movie. It was lovely to see it back after 19 years. It never looses its touch.
Look... I can understand why people may be pissed off by the whole Alien thing, but I thought that the film itself was very entertaining.
I loved Indiana's Introduction and the whole Warehouse scene! Plus the fact that we saw the Ark was a lovely touch, and the Raiders March was immense! Not just Indys introduction and the Warhouse scene but the whole movie. It was lovely to see it back after 19 years. It never looses its touch.
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INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL - My review
It's far too easy to believe our cinematic childhood has once again been looted by George Lucas. He and Spielberg are cinematic showmen, not psychic portals to all our youths. Although a CGI prairie-dog starts proceedings off in a frighteningly CADDYSHACK moment, CRYSTAL SKULL feels remarkably familiar, joyously throwaway and - in time - will easily stand up against its predecessors. It has its faults granted. The 1950's B-movie backdrop is not mined nearly enough as its 1930's predecessors were before. But the Rockwellian diners and bobby-socks are lovingly reminiscent of the small town minutiae of JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS and the ride of the narrative is refreshingly simple and rarely cluttered.
Unfortunately the film does suffer from a lack of real menace, phantom or otherwise. The previous three films would always contain some element of rating-bating gore, but - a well executed ant attack aside - there is little on display that threatens our heroes or the audience's stomachs. The film is never as ominous, stylish and iconic as the first fifteen minutes when the Boom Town sequence sets a stark historical tone that pulls a gun and blasts away Lucas's Happy Days Americana with chilling confidence and Spielbergian maturity. That atomic subtext - perfect for 1957 and saucermen - is sadly waylaid and never ever mentioned later. Surely the Russians would be glad of a bit of alien atomic energy for their 1950's Communist plans? SPALKO's psychic ambitions are a bit woolly and not as narratively tangible as nabbing the Ark or the Holy Grail.
Oddly, the film tries way too hard to then disguise its alien leanings via confusing Mayan archeological shenanigans and John Hurt's distracted Oxley (who would have made much more sense had he been ABNER RAVENWOOD). But, we kicked off proceedings in Hangar 51 with a blatant alien corpse, so why the red herrings from then on? Perhaps the film would have benefited from a greater sense of the hunt. INDY needs to be seen to be investigating. Where were the moments when INDY gatecrashes an alien autopsy or finds disturbing archives of that ilk? Where is the CLOSE ENCOUNTERS build towards a greater than man discovery? Where is the American Army in all of this? And where the hell is Karen Allen's acting coach?!!
Having watched the original trilogy again in recent weeks, Karen Allen was woefully misused. She clearly hasn't acted for a while and presented with a sass-less heroine who seemed more menopausal than resourceful. Where was the instant jealousy of MARION towards Cate Blanchett's SPALKO when the latter and INDY were steaming ahead with their combined knowledge of the skull mythology (moments that allowed Ford's take on the character to shine and show that the relic is always paramount to the politics). Where was the anger at INDIANA for being absent in raising her son? And where was that slap in the face when he finally "returned through her door...again"?
On that important note, Harrison Ford easily pulls off the character. He looks a little hunched and the slacks are a tad prescription-wear, but he holds the screen brilliantly and reminds us that HE is the reason for our nostalgia in these films - not Lucas or Spielberg. Ford gives a performance that doesn't just try to show he can still do it, but that INDIANA JONES the character has lived twenty years since we last saw him - a time that has seen him survive, grieve and no doubt make great personal sacrifice's, particularly during WWII. Spielberg has obvious fascinations with that period and hints at an INDY that has experienced darkness and loss along the years. Jim Broadbent's line "why is it the older you get the more you know is taken away from you?" is a beautiful sentiment and says all we need to in order to explain the last nineteen years of this world weary traveller.
Shia Le Beouf works brilliantly and proves what an old school lead he can and will be. He is already part of the iconography of this film - the Harley breaking through the train smoke, the brilliant plane montage where said bike takes greater prominence than his and INDY's comfort and - in a scene that really should have not worked - MUTT Tarzans his way through the jungle connecting this film to its 1930's serial heritage with exuberance and a reminder this is what the movies are all about. The revelation of everyone's parentage is clumsily handled granted, but you smile with Ford when he realises he has a son. You like this onscreen duo.
The CGI is indeed restrained and no less intrusive or successful than the matte paintings of DOOM, the back-projections of CRUSADE or the model-work of RAIDERS. The Jungle chase is not as green-screened as the trailer suggested. It is in fact the film's greatest set piece and allows Spielberg carte-blanche with Cate Blanchett in a brilliantly paced sequence of exposition and storytelling. Trust Spielberg to further a character through a chase scene. Most contemporary imitators think showboating the mouse-mat boys is more important.
In the same way the film could have benefited from less Peru and perhaps more Russia, the relationship between INDY and MARION should have been more spiked and less instantly familiar. For example, one of Ford's greatest lines of all time is in CRYSTAL SKULL ("All the women I've been with suffered from the same thing - they weren't you, honey!) but is lost amidst a barrage of unsuccessful banter and overly farcical wordplay.
Also, the film could have benefited from a greater conviction in its subject matter. The alien blockbuster is something Spielberg invented for Marcus Brody's sake! Perhaps a greater seal could have been put on the last act by having INDIANA actually making history rather than just unearthing it. The alien temple hints at a danger and intrigue the film needed more of a lot sooner. The exposition of the final "opening the Ark" moment is a tad confusing with nothing really being at stake. Three or four previous incarnations of the script are clearly to blame here and I for one would have liked to have seen Lucas get his way (not something I usually say) and make the version of the film he originally pushed for quite a while, Indiana Jones And The Saucermen From Mars. Although one sequence blew my mind with its retro audacity and B-Movie understanding of what a UFO looks like! I just wanted to see more of that. I wanted the film to be braver in its convictions.
And surely WILLIE SCOTT (Kate Capshaw) should have been at that wedding crying her eyes out that she lost her man to MARION moments before clocking Henry Jones Jr III?! But that is how I would have done it. And I didn't make this film. Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and Harrison Ford did. They didn't do it for the money. They did it because they have a good time with this character and his world. And I for one felt that magic and verve was successfully recreated from the familiar font of the titles to the zoom-out from the end-party celebrations.
Perhaps the greatest achievement of this film is that it doesn't feel like the last one and that a truly dark, yet fun ride could still lie ahead with the Jones Boys clipping the 1960's with the dark cloud of the Cuban missile crisis and Vietnam looming on the horizon. Heck, even SHORT ROUND can do the driving.....
It's far too easy to believe our cinematic childhood has once again been looted by George Lucas. He and Spielberg are cinematic showmen, not psychic portals to all our youths. Although a CGI prairie-dog starts proceedings off in a frighteningly CADDYSHACK moment, CRYSTAL SKULL feels remarkably familiar, joyously throwaway and - in time - will easily stand up against its predecessors. It has its faults granted. The 1950's B-movie backdrop is not mined nearly enough as its 1930's predecessors were before. But the Rockwellian diners and bobby-socks are lovingly reminiscent of the small town minutiae of JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS and the ride of the narrative is refreshingly simple and rarely cluttered.
Unfortunately the film does suffer from a lack of real menace, phantom or otherwise. The previous three films would always contain some element of rating-bating gore, but - a well executed ant attack aside - there is little on display that threatens our heroes or the audience's stomachs. The film is never as ominous, stylish and iconic as the first fifteen minutes when the Boom Town sequence sets a stark historical tone that pulls a gun and blasts away Lucas's Happy Days Americana with chilling confidence and Spielbergian maturity. That atomic subtext - perfect for 1957 and saucermen - is sadly waylaid and never ever mentioned later. Surely the Russians would be glad of a bit of alien atomic energy for their 1950's Communist plans? SPALKO's psychic ambitions are a bit woolly and not as narratively tangible as nabbing the Ark or the Holy Grail.
Oddly, the film tries way too hard to then disguise its alien leanings via confusing Mayan archeological shenanigans and John Hurt's distracted Oxley (who would have made much more sense had he been ABNER RAVENWOOD). But, we kicked off proceedings in Hangar 51 with a blatant alien corpse, so why the red herrings from then on? Perhaps the film would have benefited from a greater sense of the hunt. INDY needs to be seen to be investigating. Where were the moments when INDY gatecrashes an alien autopsy or finds disturbing archives of that ilk? Where is the CLOSE ENCOUNTERS build towards a greater than man discovery? Where is the American Army in all of this? And where the hell is Karen Allen's acting coach?!!
Having watched the original trilogy again in recent weeks, Karen Allen was woefully misused. She clearly hasn't acted for a while and presented with a sass-less heroine who seemed more menopausal than resourceful. Where was the instant jealousy of MARION towards Cate Blanchett's SPALKO when the latter and INDY were steaming ahead with their combined knowledge of the skull mythology (moments that allowed Ford's take on the character to shine and show that the relic is always paramount to the politics). Where was the anger at INDIANA for being absent in raising her son? And where was that slap in the face when he finally "returned through her door...again"?
On that important note, Harrison Ford easily pulls off the character. He looks a little hunched and the slacks are a tad prescription-wear, but he holds the screen brilliantly and reminds us that HE is the reason for our nostalgia in these films - not Lucas or Spielberg. Ford gives a performance that doesn't just try to show he can still do it, but that INDIANA JONES the character has lived twenty years since we last saw him - a time that has seen him survive, grieve and no doubt make great personal sacrifice's, particularly during WWII. Spielberg has obvious fascinations with that period and hints at an INDY that has experienced darkness and loss along the years. Jim Broadbent's line "why is it the older you get the more you know is taken away from you?" is a beautiful sentiment and says all we need to in order to explain the last nineteen years of this world weary traveller.
Shia Le Beouf works brilliantly and proves what an old school lead he can and will be. He is already part of the iconography of this film - the Harley breaking through the train smoke, the brilliant plane montage where said bike takes greater prominence than his and INDY's comfort and - in a scene that really should have not worked - MUTT Tarzans his way through the jungle connecting this film to its 1930's serial heritage with exuberance and a reminder this is what the movies are all about. The revelation of everyone's parentage is clumsily handled granted, but you smile with Ford when he realises he has a son. You like this onscreen duo.
The CGI is indeed restrained and no less intrusive or successful than the matte paintings of DOOM, the back-projections of CRUSADE or the model-work of RAIDERS. The Jungle chase is not as green-screened as the trailer suggested. It is in fact the film's greatest set piece and allows Spielberg carte-blanche with Cate Blanchett in a brilliantly paced sequence of exposition and storytelling. Trust Spielberg to further a character through a chase scene. Most contemporary imitators think showboating the mouse-mat boys is more important.
In the same way the film could have benefited from less Peru and perhaps more Russia, the relationship between INDY and MARION should have been more spiked and less instantly familiar. For example, one of Ford's greatest lines of all time is in CRYSTAL SKULL ("All the women I've been with suffered from the same thing - they weren't you, honey!) but is lost amidst a barrage of unsuccessful banter and overly farcical wordplay.
Also, the film could have benefited from a greater conviction in its subject matter. The alien blockbuster is something Spielberg invented for Marcus Brody's sake! Perhaps a greater seal could have been put on the last act by having INDIANA actually making history rather than just unearthing it. The alien temple hints at a danger and intrigue the film needed more of a lot sooner. The exposition of the final "opening the Ark" moment is a tad confusing with nothing really being at stake. Three or four previous incarnations of the script are clearly to blame here and I for one would have liked to have seen Lucas get his way (not something I usually say) and make the version of the film he originally pushed for quite a while, Indiana Jones And The Saucermen From Mars. Although one sequence blew my mind with its retro audacity and B-Movie understanding of what a UFO looks like! I just wanted to see more of that. I wanted the film to be braver in its convictions.
And surely WILLIE SCOTT (Kate Capshaw) should have been at that wedding crying her eyes out that she lost her man to MARION moments before clocking Henry Jones Jr III?! But that is how I would have done it. And I didn't make this film. Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and Harrison Ford did. They didn't do it for the money. They did it because they have a good time with this character and his world. And I for one felt that magic and verve was successfully recreated from the familiar font of the titles to the zoom-out from the end-party celebrations.
Perhaps the greatest achievement of this film is that it doesn't feel like the last one and that a truly dark, yet fun ride could still lie ahead with the Jones Boys clipping the 1960's with the dark cloud of the Cuban missile crisis and Vietnam looming on the horizon. Heck, even SHORT ROUND can do the driving.....
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 04:33 PM
Just in time for the "X-Files" movie coming out later this summer.Can't beleive after over 15 years they settled on an alien theme.
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Sidebar to my little essay above with a small rant on the Alien angle...
Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure. Well, the whole beauty of Raiders was its bold, brilliant updating of the old serial format...while remaining utterly faithful at heart. So the new film is set about twenty years on. Except for the flying saucer at the end, the team's brought nothing new to the table and the comparison to a 50s film quite simply doesn't hold water.
The failed atomic opening is definitely 50-ish as is the said saucer...and the Crystal Skull itself--which resembles Geiger's creature--tries hard to reinforce the point. Fact is, though, there IS no point...except for a pathetic effort on the filmmakers' part to justify their flaccid, even flatulent approach. We're still on Republican turf here for 95% of the film...but without the dazzling energy or the ferocious commitment. Lucas himself, imo, confirmed what I'm saying here by warning us not to expect too much.
The Crystal Skull was ripped off from a another film, as revolutionary in its way as Raiders was, way back when. The lazy bastards. Shame on them.
Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure. Well, the whole beauty of Raiders was its bold, brilliant updating of the old serial format...while remaining utterly faithful at heart. So the new film is set about twenty years on. Except for the flying saucer at the end, the team's brought nothing new to the table and the comparison to a 50s film quite simply doesn't hold water.
The failed atomic opening is definitely 50-ish as is the said saucer...and the Crystal Skull itself--which resembles Geiger's creature--tries hard to reinforce the point. Fact is, though, there IS no point...except for a pathetic effort on the filmmakers' part to justify their flaccid, even flatulent approach. We're still on Republican turf here for 95% of the film...but without the dazzling energy or the ferocious commitment. Lucas himself, imo, confirmed what I'm saying here by warning us not to expect too much.
The Crystal Skull was ripped off from a another film, as revolutionary in its way as Raiders was, way back when. The lazy bastards. Shame on them.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 05:40 PM
Not quite. When they stated their intent, they said they wished to take inspiration from the 1950s sci-fi kind of film, but still work it in the context of the existing "serial adventure" that made the first three so popular. So rather than trying to switch genres, they were trying to mix them.Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 05:51 PM
Not quite. When they stated their intent, they said they wished to take inspiration from the 1950s sci-fi kind of film, but still work it in the context of the existing "serial adventure" that made the first three so popular. So rather than trying to switch genres, they were trying to mix them.Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure.
Thanks for the clarification. But the mixing of the genres, imo, didn't help them in the least. And it still seems like a sorry excuse for bringing nothing really new that matters to the table. Here's a gasping, wheezing mess that couldn't even deliver an up-to-snuff opening sequence.
I think IRON MAN has more than its share of awfulness. It has an execrable storyline and a terrible villain. The action, like in KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL, is mediocre. The visual style is boring. The actors are generally wasted in their roles, aside from Downey and Paltrow. Without Downey in the lead, it would be a failure on the level of FANTASTIC FOUR and DAREDEVIL.Raiders is my all time favorite popcorn movie but Iron Man is a better film hands down than 'Skull. Maybe you prefer the Indy series to the marvel comic book property and that's totally cool but Iron Man is a more economically structured movie, has more humor and no WTF moments(tarzan,monkeys).
Mine too. The competition for that spot isn't that fierce, and if THE DARK KNIGHT only delivers half of what I want it to, it'll slip right in there.But FWIW, I think your Dark Knight will be the summer's best film.Just a hunch.
I predict $300 million domestic minimum, possibly as high as $350. And an oscar for Heath Ledger.
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Not quite. When they stated their intent, they said they wished to take inspiration from the 1950s sci-fi kind of film, but still work it in the context of the existing "serial adventure" that made the first three so popular. So rather than trying to switch genres, they were trying to mix them.Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure.
Yep, Indy 4 was definitaly a Hybrid.
Please tell me... Does the Line... "Why the hell didn't you make him finish school!" make any sense to you? Isn't this saying that Indy wants him out of school? But he says later that he wants him back in school?
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I had to read this post twice before I realized that when you wrote "Republican" you were talking about REPUBLIC PICTURES, the studio that made many of the best movie serials.Sidebar to my little essay above with a small rant on the Alien angle...
Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure. Well, the whole beauty of Raiders was its bold, brilliant updating of the old serial format...while remaining utterly faithful at heart. So the new film is set about twenty years on. Except for the flying saucer at the end, the team's brought nothing new to the table and the comparison to a 50s film quite simply doesn't hold water.
The failed atomic opening is definitely 50-ish as is the said saucer...and the Crystal Skull itself--which resembles Geiger's creature--tries hard to reinforce the point. Fact is, though, there IS no point...except for a pathetic effort on the filmmakers' part to justify their flaccid, even flatulent approach. We're still on Republican turf here for 95% of the film...but without the dazzling energy or the ferocious commitment. Lucas himself, imo, confirmed what I'm saying here by warning us not to expect too much.
The Crystal Skull was ripped off from a another film, as revolutionary in its way as Raiders was, way back when. The lazy bastards. Shame on them.
He's referring to the fact that Mutt dropped out of school and didn't graduate; i.e. "finish school."Not quite. When they stated their intent, they said they wished to take inspiration from the 1950s sci-fi kind of film, but still work it in the context of the existing "serial adventure" that made the first three so popular. So rather than trying to switch genres, they were trying to mix them.Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure.
Yep, Indy 4 was definitaly a Hybrid.
Please tell me... Does the Line... "Why the hell didn't you make him finish school!" make any sense to you? Isn't this saying that Indy wants him out of school? But he says later that he wants him back in school?
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:02 PM
My quick opinion...
1. Who the hell decided to mix in aliens with Indy! Stupid and totally did not mesh correctly.
2. The acting was good. Shea, whatever his face is, didn't irritate me at all like I thought he was going to.
3. The Indy action was fantastic!
So basically everything about it was great except the plot and story sucked big time. So if this wasn't an Indy movie I think it would have bombed already. but the fact that it's Indy is keeping it alive.
1. Who the hell decided to mix in aliens with Indy! Stupid and totally did not mesh correctly.
2. The acting was good. Shea, whatever his face is, didn't irritate me at all like I thought he was going to.
3. The Indy action was fantastic!
So basically everything about it was great except the plot and story sucked big time. So if this wasn't an Indy movie I think it would have bombed already. but the fact that it's Indy is keeping it alive.
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I think it did, actually. Their original take, INDIANA JONES AND THE SAUCER MEN (by Jeb Stuart) would have been an epic failure. The 1950s sci-fi elements had to be framed in an "adventure serial" fashion, or else you'd lose the essence of Indiana Jones.Thanks for the clarification. But the mixing of the genres, imo, didn't help them in the least.Not quite. When they stated their intent, they said they wished to take inspiration from the 1950s sci-fi kind of film, but still work it in the context of the existing "serial adventure" that made the first three so popular. So rather than trying to switch genres, they were trying to mix them.Spielberg and Lucas are on record as intending this film to be a 50s-style sci/fi film, rather than a Republican-style adventure.
Anyway, I'm happy with how they handled the crystal skull/aliens in basic concept. It's very Lovecraftian (and thereby classic pulp), and it takes nicely from the whole CHARIOTS OF THE GODS school of thought. It's really Spielberg who dropped the ball, not giving the crystal skull-related sequences enough awe.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:31 PM
Really? I felt there was TOO much awe.It's really Spielberg who dropped the ball, not giving the crystal skull-related sequences enough awe.
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How so?Really? I felt there was TOO much awe.It's really Spielberg who dropped the ball, not giving the crystal skull-related sequences enough awe.
I, personally, think there's a right tonality for "ancient aliens," and its the creepy Lovecraft vibe from stories like THE CALL OF CTHULHU and AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS. It's a shame that Lucas and Spielberg didn't sit down and take more from this great pulp author.
In all honesty, it's a bit more like what Peter Jackson did with KING KONG (during the trip to and sequences on the island). That sense of suspense and creepiness that develops... Spielberg never gives us any of that build up. He could have.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:56 PM
um... well, I guess I just felt as if I knew the whole thing revolved around aliens way way way before Indy and his crew did (which is not good if your audience has figured something out before your characters). Sorta like there was too much focus on the skull itself and not enough "adventure." I mean I'm just unhappy with the whole sci-fi thing getting mixed up with Indy (adventure). It really is a clash of genres. And the past films have been about some religious artifact... I just wish they would have stuck with that for the 4th film... that's what's worked for Indy so why did they mess with something that wasn't broken?
This isn't to say I didn't enjoy the film. The fridge scene was awesome... can't forget that at all. The entrance to the city of gold was great. Ya, there were a lot of fun things for sure.
This isn't to say I didn't enjoy the film. The fridge scene was awesome... can't forget that at all. The entrance to the city of gold was great. Ya, there were a lot of fun things for sure.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:56 PM
Why do I hear people say they "mixed genres"? What's the difference between a religious, super natural ARK and an ancient alien spacecraft? Both have two things in comon: many people believe in them and many don't and niether have been 100% confirmed by science. Also, keep in mind we have pyramids and all sorts of things(eastern Island) that have been built thousands of years ago that seem technologically impossible given the tools available. And why the drive the move 20 ton slabs of rock and pile them up unless they are to please their 'gods'(real gods, not imagined)? There is context for Aliens within the world of Indy. I don't get why that's so hard to accept.
Unfortunately I agree with Zoran's point: "Also, the film could have benefited from a greater conviction in its subject matter... I wanted the film to be braver in its convictions."
Unfortunately I agree with Zoran's point: "Also, the film could have benefited from a greater conviction in its subject matter... I wanted the film to be braver in its convictions."
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Well, the movie never really keeps quiet about the alien angle.um... well, I guess I just felt as if I knew the whole thing revolved around aliens way way way before Indy and his crew did (which is not good if your audience has figured something out before your characters).
Not quite. Interdimensional beings as the great gods of ancient societies are classic pulp. They're very much in the same category. And the 1950s is a good time to take advantage of that pulp influence, given how well it connects with the Sputnik era.I mean I'm just unhappy with the whole sci-fi thing getting mixed up with Indy (adventure). It really is a clash of genres.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:15 PM
INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL - My review
It's far too easy to believe our cinematic childhood has once again been looted by George Lucas. He and Spielberg are cinematic showmen, not psychic portals to all our youths. Although a CGI prairie-dog starts proceedings off in a frighteningly CADDYSHACK moment, CRYSTAL SKULL feels remarkably familiar, joyously throwaway and - in time - will easily stand up against its predecessors. It has its faults granted. The 1950's B-movie backdrop is not mined nearly enough as its 1930's predecessors were before. But the Rockwellian diners and bobby-socks are lovingly reminiscent of the small town minutiae of JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS and the ride of the narrative is refreshingly simple and rarely cluttered.
Unfortunately the film does suffer from a lack of real menace, phantom or otherwise. The previous three films would always contain some element of rating-bating gore, but - a well executed ant attack aside - there is little on display that threatens our heroes or the audience's stomachs. The film is never as ominous, stylish and iconic as the first fifteen minutes when the Boom Town sequence sets a stark historical tone that pulls a gun and blasts away Lucas's Happy Days Americana with chilling confidence and Spielbergian maturity. That atomic subtext - perfect for 1957 and saucermen - is sadly waylaid and never ever mentioned later. Surely the Russians would be glad of a bit of alien atomic energy for their 1950's Communist plans? SPALKO's psychic ambitions are a bit woolly and not as narratively tangible as nabbing the Ark or the Holy Grail.
Oddly, the film tries way too hard to then disguise its alien leanings via confusing Mayan archeological shenanigans and John Hurt's distracted Oxley (who would have made much more sense had he been ABNER RAVENWOOD). But, we kicked off proceedings in Hangar 51 with a blatant alien corpse, so why the red herrings from then on? Perhaps the film would have benefited from a greater sense of the hunt. INDY needs to be seen to be investigating. Where were the moments when INDY gatecrashes an alien autopsy or finds disturbing archives of that ilk? Where is the CLOSE ENCOUNTERS build towards a greater than man discovery? Where is the American Army in all of this? And where the hell is Karen Allen's acting coach?!!
Having watched the original trilogy again in recent weeks, Karen Allen was woefully misused. She clearly hasn't acted for a while and presented with a sass-less heroine who seemed more menopausal than resourceful. Where was the instant jealousy of MARION towards Cate Blanchett's SPALKO when the latter and INDY were steaming ahead with their combined knowledge of the skull mythology (moments that allowed Ford's take on the character to shine and show that the relic is always paramount to the politics). Where was the anger at INDIANA for being absent in raising her son? And where was that slap in the face when he finally "returned through her door...again"?
On that important note, Harrison Ford easily pulls off the character. He looks a little hunched and the slacks are a tad prescription-wear, but he holds the screen brilliantly and reminds us that HE is the reason for our nostalgia in these films - not Lucas or Spielberg. Ford gives a performance that doesn't just try to show he can still do it, but that INDIANA JONES the character has lived twenty years since we last saw him - a time that has seen him survive, grieve and no doubt make great personal sacrifice's, particularly during WWII. Spielberg has obvious fascinations with that period and hints at an INDY that has experienced darkness and loss along the years. Jim Broadbent's line "why is it the older you get the more you know is taken away from you?" is a beautiful sentiment and says all we need to in order to explain the last nineteen years of this world weary traveller.
Shia Le Beouf works brilliantly and proves what an old school lead he can and will be. He is already part of the iconography of this film - the Harley breaking through the train smoke, the brilliant plane montage where said bike takes greater prominence than his and INDY's comfort and - in a scene that really should have not worked - MUTT Tarzans his way through the jungle connecting this film to its 1930's serial heritage with exuberance and a reminder this is what the movies are all about. The revelation of everyone's parentage is clumsily handled granted, but you smile with Ford when he realises he has a son. You like this onscreen duo.
The CGI is indeed restrained and no less intrusive or successful than the matte paintings of DOOM, the back-projections of CRUSADE or the model-work of RAIDERS. The Jungle chase is not as green-screened as the trailer suggested. It is in fact the film's greatest set piece and allows Spielberg carte-blanche with Cate Blanchett in a brilliantly paced sequence of exposition and storytelling. Trust Spielberg to further a character through a chase scene. Most contemporary imitators think showboating the mouse-mat boys is more important.
In the same way the film could have benefited from less Peru and perhaps more Russia, the relationship between INDY and MARION should have been more spiked and less instantly familiar. For example, one of Ford's greatest lines of all time is in CRYSTAL SKULL ("All the women I've been with suffered from the same thing - they weren't you, honey!) but is lost amidst a barrage of unsuccessful banter and overly farcical wordplay.
Also, the film could have benefited from a greater conviction in its subject matter. The alien blockbuster is something Spielberg invented for Marcus Brody's sake! Perhaps a greater seal could have been put on the last act by having INDIANA actually making history rather than just unearthing it. The alien temple hints at a danger and intrigue the film needed more of a lot sooner. The exposition of the final "opening the Ark" moment is a tad confusing with nothing really being at stake. Three or four previous incarnations of the script are clearly to blame here and I for one would have liked to have seen Lucas get his way (not something I usually say) and make the version of the film he originally pushed for quite a while, Indiana Jones And The Saucermen From Mars. Although one sequence blew my mind with its retro audacity and B-Movie understanding of what a UFO looks like! I just wanted to see more of that. I wanted the film to be braver in its convictions.
And surely WILLIE SCOTT (Kate Capshaw) should have been at that wedding crying her eyes out that she lost her man to MARION moments before clocking Henry Jones Jr III?! But that is how I would have done it. And I didn't make this film. Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and Harrison Ford did. They didn't do it for the money. They did it because they have a good time with this character and his world. And I for one felt that magic and verve was successfully recreated from the familiar font of the titles to the zoom-out from the end-party celebrations.
Perhaps the greatest achievement of this film is that it doesn't feel like the last one and that a truly dark, yet fun ride could still lie ahead with the Jones Boys clipping the 1960's with the dark cloud of the Cuban missile crisis and Vietnam looming on the horizon. Heck, even SHORT ROUND can do the driving.....
Excellent review
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:22 PM
Looks like Indy did $101M for the 3 day weekend, and 126M for the thurs-sun...#1 but just barely ahead of Iron Man's debut.I guess all the talk of cross generational appeal was just talk. It did do well but not even close to Spiderman 3 or POTC business.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:27 PM
Looks like Indy did $101M for the 3 day weekend, and 126M for the thurs-sun...
That's nice to know, thanks for the heads up.
I really do not see what problem everyone has with it, its a good fun movie, Its not like Bond where I think the character should have some deep emotional depth. I just go along for the ride and the entertainment - Skull, certainly delivered it.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:28 PM
Yeah, it's not meeting the higher-end expectations (it was tracking for a $160 million opening).Looks like Indy did $101M for the 3 day weekend, and 126M for the thurs-sun...#1 but just barely ahead of Iron Man's debut.I guess all the talk of cross generational appeal was just talk. It did do well but not even close to Spiderman 3 or POTC business.
Regardless, I recently watched a bootleg of KINGDOM that had the approximate quality of an old VHS. And because of the washed out picture, it lost the sheen and looked like a film made in the 1980s. It was my third, and favorite, viewing of the film... it just clicked.
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Posted 25 May 2008 - 08:45 PM
Yeah, it's not meeting the higher-end expectations (it was tracking for a $160 million opening).Looks like Indy did $101M for the 3 day weekend, and 126M for the thurs-sun...#1 but just barely ahead of Iron Man's debut.I guess all the talk of cross generational appeal was just talk. It did do well but not even close to Spiderman 3 or POTC business.
Regardless, I recently watched a bootleg of KINGDOM that had the approximate quality of an old VHS. And because of the washed out picture, it lost the sheen and looked like a film made in the 1980s. It was my third, and favorite, viewing of the film... it just clicked.
Still good for a poorly reviewed film but Lucas clearly has dimminished cache.
But that's alot better than Rocky,Rambo and Diehard 4.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 01:14 AM
No wonder Connery never got involved in this, i bet he saw the script and laughed his a** off and sent it back to Lucas.
Lol, yeah I remember seeing people mock Big Tam for turning down the new Indiana Jones movie. Are they laughing now? Anyway, he probably used the script for toilet paper.
And then sent it back to Lucas.
Yeah this decision negates the damage done by LXG.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:55 AM
Just saw it. It was quite good.
The CGI wasn't as bad as they say, it was just the context it was used in. Most of the CGI shots are spectacular. However, the jeep off cliff onto tree scene for example. The fridge scene, how very co-incedental that only Indy's fridge was swept up like that. It is ranked 4 out of the 3 for me, just for those scenes. The other 3 were grounded, had fantasy but had these things under control. Not a bad film though. I have just seen it and I'm digesting it, these criticisms will no doubt change over time.
Ford was good as has been said. I think the film lacked any flow for the film or Ford to get stuck into it. Action for a time, then cut.
The aliens, well, I liked the crystal skeletons. Once they formed into the living, breathing alien I was unsure. I was however alright with the entire alien angle.
As for my favourites list:
1. CRUSADE
2. RAIDERS
3. TEMPLE
4. SKULL
The CGI wasn't as bad as they say, it was just the context it was used in. Most of the CGI shots are spectacular. However, the jeep off cliff onto tree scene for example. The fridge scene, how very co-incedental that only Indy's fridge was swept up like that. It is ranked 4 out of the 3 for me, just for those scenes. The other 3 were grounded, had fantasy but had these things under control. Not a bad film though. I have just seen it and I'm digesting it, these criticisms will no doubt change over time.
Ford was good as has been said. I think the film lacked any flow for the film or Ford to get stuck into it. Action for a time, then cut.
The aliens, well, I liked the crystal skeletons. Once they formed into the living, breathing alien I was unsure. I was however alright with the entire alien angle.
As for my favourites list:
1. CRUSADE
2. RAIDERS
3. TEMPLE
4. SKULL
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Pretty good review here.....
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 11:18 AM
I'm afraid for me 3 stars is a push and to be honest it wasn't Phantiom Menace style disaster but it wasn't that much better, I'll be happy to leave this at Crusade, that completes the story for me.
Lucas's is a s subtle as a sledgehammer with his story, maybe a bit more mystery surrounding the plot, if they'd played on the alien element with more ambiguity but SS & GL left nothing to the imagination, it was all in it's CGI'd glory, Close Encounters was more subtle. The film started out well enough, the Area 51 sequence with the brief Ark reference and the introduction to Mutt & the bike chase although the Brody statue joke is very tasteless. Although as soon as he's staring at a skull it goes down rapidly, Shia is fine as Mutt and likeable, Allen is crimianlly wasted in a return to a role we've all been looking forward to and Hurt character could have been played by anyone a waste of acting talent. How I feel about a talented actress like Blanchett is not clear her performance is most bizarre and ceratinly not on the level of Freeman Beloq. Winstone's character side changing is irritating and clearly signposted.
Ford is Indy but only just, wearing the jacket and hat with the whip just about convinces, the talk of Jone's war career when Jim Robinson sorry I mean Alan Dale turns up would have made a far more inticing idea for a film, It wouldn't have been typical Indy territory but it could have made a riproaring war adventure in the spirit Guns of Naverone or Where Eagles Dare, unfortaunaltely that would have had been made some 10 or 12 years ago to work.
Those who said their was no tension or sense of dread were right, apart from the giant ant sequence which my wife correctly pointed out ripped off the scarab beetles sequence from The Mummy. Well I wasn't expecting it to be the best this summer but I wasn't expecting it to be the worst of the year but it looks like even the Mummy 3 won't have to be much to equal this mess. Dark Knight & Quantum of Solace have nothing to worry about in the quality stakes and Indy 4 may well be the Boxoffice winner, although I begin to doubt that once the word has got round about the extreme deficiencies of this film.
Lucas said don't expect the second coming and it's no surprise that the plot was kept a secret to anyone outside of geekdom, the 2 friends of mine amd my Wife were going in not knowing the alien plot and were horrified at it's addition it's only keeping myself in the loop it wasn't as a shock to me, Lucas took ages getting here, finding his macguffin and countless script rejections including most notably a praised Frank darabont treatment. I don't have a problem with the idea but the execution was the culprit and Koepp's script is sub standard, after turning Marcus in to a buffoon in Crusade, Lucas continues to mock him even in his grave, the sequence is tasteless and you can see the disaproval even in Indy's face, far too much forced humour, the Tarzan sequence is as cringe worthy as you'd expect and what's with this inclusion of cute animals, it's not a Disney is it?
Disappointed yes but I wasn't going in expecting much and it even fell short of that. Anyone going in expecting Raiders like genius will be devastated and maybe a small percentage will see it as a completely fine addition but I'll doubt many of them were children when it came out and have seen every entry on the big screen (I missed Raiders unfortunately) Also Empire Iron Man was much better yet you still don't learn from those Prequel reviews. We are able to forgve Doom & Crusade for it's flaws but this lacks the charm this will not age well like they did, the CGI will date it and it doesn't sit comforatbly with a trilogy that for me was stronger than the original Star Wars.
Not worth the wait and a DVD purchase will not be nescessary.
Lucas's is a s subtle as a sledgehammer with his story, maybe a bit more mystery surrounding the plot, if they'd played on the alien element with more ambiguity but SS & GL left nothing to the imagination, it was all in it's CGI'd glory, Close Encounters was more subtle. The film started out well enough, the Area 51 sequence with the brief Ark reference and the introduction to Mutt & the bike chase although the Brody statue joke is very tasteless. Although as soon as he's staring at a skull it goes down rapidly, Shia is fine as Mutt and likeable, Allen is crimianlly wasted in a return to a role we've all been looking forward to and Hurt character could have been played by anyone a waste of acting talent. How I feel about a talented actress like Blanchett is not clear her performance is most bizarre and ceratinly not on the level of Freeman Beloq. Winstone's character side changing is irritating and clearly signposted.
Ford is Indy but only just, wearing the jacket and hat with the whip just about convinces, the talk of Jone's war career when Jim Robinson sorry I mean Alan Dale turns up would have made a far more inticing idea for a film, It wouldn't have been typical Indy territory but it could have made a riproaring war adventure in the spirit Guns of Naverone or Where Eagles Dare, unfortaunaltely that would have had been made some 10 or 12 years ago to work.
Those who said their was no tension or sense of dread were right, apart from the giant ant sequence which my wife correctly pointed out ripped off the scarab beetles sequence from The Mummy. Well I wasn't expecting it to be the best this summer but I wasn't expecting it to be the worst of the year but it looks like even the Mummy 3 won't have to be much to equal this mess. Dark Knight & Quantum of Solace have nothing to worry about in the quality stakes and Indy 4 may well be the Boxoffice winner, although I begin to doubt that once the word has got round about the extreme deficiencies of this film.
Lucas said don't expect the second coming and it's no surprise that the plot was kept a secret to anyone outside of geekdom, the 2 friends of mine amd my Wife were going in not knowing the alien plot and were horrified at it's addition it's only keeping myself in the loop it wasn't as a shock to me, Lucas took ages getting here, finding his macguffin and countless script rejections including most notably a praised Frank darabont treatment. I don't have a problem with the idea but the execution was the culprit and Koepp's script is sub standard, after turning Marcus in to a buffoon in Crusade, Lucas continues to mock him even in his grave, the sequence is tasteless and you can see the disaproval even in Indy's face, far too much forced humour, the Tarzan sequence is as cringe worthy as you'd expect and what's with this inclusion of cute animals, it's not a Disney is it?
Disappointed yes but I wasn't going in expecting much and it even fell short of that. Anyone going in expecting Raiders like genius will be devastated and maybe a small percentage will see it as a completely fine addition but I'll doubt many of them were children when it came out and have seen every entry on the big screen (I missed Raiders unfortunately) Also Empire Iron Man was much better yet you still don't learn from those Prequel reviews. We are able to forgve Doom & Crusade for it's flaws but this lacks the charm this will not age well like they did, the CGI will date it and it doesn't sit comforatbly with a trilogy that for me was stronger than the original Star Wars.
Not worth the wait and a DVD purchase will not be nescessary.
Edited by bond 16.05.72, 26 May 2008 - 11:31 AM.
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 11:45 AM
Indiana Jones 4 Box Office: Early estimates are in for the first weekend of theatrical release in North America for Indiana Jones 4 and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. From Thursday to Sunday, Indy Jones 4 made around $ 126 million U.S. dollars. Here's a day by day breakdown of the box office gross thus far.
$ 25.0 million U.S. dollars (Thursday, May 22)
$ 31.0 million U.S. dollars (Friday, May 23)
$ 37.0 million U.S. dollars (Saturday, May 24)
$ 33.0 million U.S. dollars (Sunday, May 25)
$ 126 million U.S. dollars total for the first four days of release in North American cinemas.
Meanwhile at the box office in foreign territories, Indiana Jones 4 grossed nearly $ 144 million U.S. dollars for a worldwide box office of $ 270 million U.S. dollars when added to the North American earnings.
Oh and by the way.. I dont know if this is fake but....
Indiana Jones 5 v Indy Jones 5
New Indiana Jones Indy Movie Film
Script Plot Summary Synopsis Story
Screenplay Screen Play
by
George Lucas
The Indiana Jones 5 movie begins in Mongolia. It's 1959. Indiana Jones and his guides are searching for the lost burial tomb of Genghis Khan, the legendary leader of the Mongol Empire. Indy Jones eventually finds the clandestine tomb along with an immense treasure, buried with Genghis Khan, beyond what anyone would ever believe.
Unfortunately, for Indiana Jones, the Communist Chinese military has been keeping Indiana Jones under surveillance. The Chinese capture Indy Jones and seize all the contents of the final resting place of Genghis Khan. The Chinese take Indiana Jones to a place where they show him clues, which reveal a great mystery involving the alleged location of the holy cross the Romans utilized to crucify Jesus Christ.
Before Indiana Jones can fully examine the info, a group of elite British commandos raid the facility where Indy Jones is being kept. Ironically, the British military had the Chinese under surveillance. In a bold and daring rescue mission, the British commandos take Indy Jones and the clues related to the holy cross from the Chinese.
The British commandos and Indy Jones arrive in London, England. The English then explain to Indy Jones what is going on. They tell Indy Jones that British intelligence discovered the Chinese had found clues in Jerusalem regarding the holy cross of Jesus. The British explain the legend surrounding the holy cross that it can bring a golden age for Humanity or the final apocalypse.
Since Indy Jones is regarded as one of the top archaeologists in history, the British want Indy to help them find the holy cross before the Chinese find its location. To reward the British for saving him from the Chinese, Indy Jones agrees to search for the holy cross. The British assign a British commando named Nevin to accompany Indy during his travels around the world.
This new adventure first takes Indy Jones and Nevin to Jerusalem. Several clues then lead Indy to Russia, France and finally to the hidden caves of Romania where the holy cross of Jesus Christ has been kept secretly for nearly 2,000 years. Indiana Jones 5 ends with a spectacular confrontation between the British military vs. the Communist Chinese military. The tremendous supernatural powers of the holy cross are released and the fate of the planet is at stake.
A complete Indiana Jones 5 plot script summary will be revealed in the future with further details.
Full Title: Unknown
Working Title: Indiana Jones 5 v (Indiana Jones and the Eternal Cross of Paradise)
Release Date: Unknown
Director: Unknown
Script Writer: Unknown
Story Idea: George Lucas
Producer: Unknown
Executive Producer: George Lucas
Original Music: Unknown
Cast of Actors: Unknown
Production Budget: Unknown
Production Company: Lucasfilm, Ltd.
Film Distributor: Paramount Pictures
Theatrical Teaser Trailer Debut: Unknown
Box Office Gross Potential: Impossible to calculate until Indiana Jones 4 and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull finishes its worldwide theatrical run
Movie Genre: Action Adventure
$ 25.0 million U.S. dollars (Thursday, May 22)
$ 31.0 million U.S. dollars (Friday, May 23)
$ 37.0 million U.S. dollars (Saturday, May 24)
$ 33.0 million U.S. dollars (Sunday, May 25)
$ 126 million U.S. dollars total for the first four days of release in North American cinemas.
Meanwhile at the box office in foreign territories, Indiana Jones 4 grossed nearly $ 144 million U.S. dollars for a worldwide box office of $ 270 million U.S. dollars when added to the North American earnings.
Oh and by the way.. I dont know if this is fake but....
Indiana Jones 5 v Indy Jones 5
New Indiana Jones Indy Movie Film
Script Plot Summary Synopsis Story
Screenplay Screen Play
by
George Lucas
The Indiana Jones 5 movie begins in Mongolia. It's 1959. Indiana Jones and his guides are searching for the lost burial tomb of Genghis Khan, the legendary leader of the Mongol Empire. Indy Jones eventually finds the clandestine tomb along with an immense treasure, buried with Genghis Khan, beyond what anyone would ever believe.
Unfortunately, for Indiana Jones, the Communist Chinese military has been keeping Indiana Jones under surveillance. The Chinese capture Indy Jones and seize all the contents of the final resting place of Genghis Khan. The Chinese take Indiana Jones to a place where they show him clues, which reveal a great mystery involving the alleged location of the holy cross the Romans utilized to crucify Jesus Christ.
Before Indiana Jones can fully examine the info, a group of elite British commandos raid the facility where Indy Jones is being kept. Ironically, the British military had the Chinese under surveillance. In a bold and daring rescue mission, the British commandos take Indy Jones and the clues related to the holy cross from the Chinese.
The British commandos and Indy Jones arrive in London, England. The English then explain to Indy Jones what is going on. They tell Indy Jones that British intelligence discovered the Chinese had found clues in Jerusalem regarding the holy cross of Jesus. The British explain the legend surrounding the holy cross that it can bring a golden age for Humanity or the final apocalypse.
Since Indy Jones is regarded as one of the top archaeologists in history, the British want Indy to help them find the holy cross before the Chinese find its location. To reward the British for saving him from the Chinese, Indy Jones agrees to search for the holy cross. The British assign a British commando named Nevin to accompany Indy during his travels around the world.
This new adventure first takes Indy Jones and Nevin to Jerusalem. Several clues then lead Indy to Russia, France and finally to the hidden caves of Romania where the holy cross of Jesus Christ has been kept secretly for nearly 2,000 years. Indiana Jones 5 ends with a spectacular confrontation between the British military vs. the Communist Chinese military. The tremendous supernatural powers of the holy cross are released and the fate of the planet is at stake.
A complete Indiana Jones 5 plot script summary will be revealed in the future with further details.
Full Title: Unknown
Working Title: Indiana Jones 5 v (Indiana Jones and the Eternal Cross of Paradise)
Release Date: Unknown
Director: Unknown
Script Writer: Unknown
Story Idea: George Lucas
Producer: Unknown
Executive Producer: George Lucas
Original Music: Unknown
Cast of Actors: Unknown
Production Budget: Unknown
Production Company: Lucasfilm, Ltd.
Film Distributor: Paramount Pictures
Theatrical Teaser Trailer Debut: Unknown
Box Office Gross Potential: Impossible to calculate until Indiana Jones 4 and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull finishes its worldwide theatrical run
Movie Genre: Action Adventure
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Posted 26 May 2008 - 12:16 PM
Saw it on Sunday. Good popcorn flick. Interesting to see:
Dan Bradley doing Second Unit;
Gary Powell doing Stunt Coordination;
Liked the car chase in the Jungle but not the tarzan bit. Loved the ants taking away the big blonde Commie into their ant hole.
Loved Blanchet's Spalko...she looked sexy in an Alien sort of way.
She could make a good stripper.
Otherwise it's a 3 out of 5. Now it's time to concentrate on The Dark Knight and Quantum Of Solace.
Dan Bradley doing Second Unit;
Gary Powell doing Stunt Coordination;
Liked the car chase in the Jungle but not the tarzan bit. Loved the ants taking away the big blonde Commie into their ant hole.
Loved Blanchet's Spalko...she looked sexy in an Alien sort of way.
She could make a good stripper.
Otherwise it's a 3 out of 5. Now it's time to concentrate on The Dark Knight and Quantum Of Solace.