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[Tarl_Cabot]

Nice. She was a liability. Any reason why they changed?

[JimmyBond]

Nice. She was a liability. Any reason why they changed?

Rumor has it that Katie Holmes chose not to return.

[Harmsway]

Actually, there are two stories. The official story is that Holmes opted not to return to do another film. The unofficial story is that she was booted.

[Harmsway]

Spoiler-filled report at CHUD.com. Here's the article text, but spoilerified to prevent any outrage:

http://www.chud.com/...e=news&id=10334

[spoiler]A source close to the production of Indiana Jones IV (still, as far as we know, unofficially called Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods, but more on that later) has divulged some information to us about the film

[Mike00spy]

I think its hard to judge the relic based upon a brief summary. After all, the Sankara stones don't seem all that wonderful, but Temple of Doom was still classic.

I think it's going to be interesting seeing Indy in the 1950s- and while I hope he still doesn't have a son, I'll be okay with the development if it is handled well on screen.

[Harmsway]

I think its hard to judge the relic based upon a brief summary. After all, the Sankara stones don't seem all that wonderful, but Temple of Doom was still classic.

Uh... well, the physical relic is all fine. It's the fact that INDY IV seems to have everything to do with aliens. Frankly, that idea sucks. Religious relics, please.

[Mike00spy]

I think its hard to judge the relic based upon a brief summary. After all, the Sankara stones don't seem all that wonderful, but Temple of Doom was still classic.

Uh... well, the physical relic is all fine. It's the fact that INDY IV seems to have everything to do with aliens. Frankly, that idea sucks. Religious relics, please.

Aliens? Oops... didn't see that. Um, well- I dunno. It is a rumor, right?

And I take it you were not fond of Temple of Doom?

[Harmsway]

Aliens? Oops... didn't see that. Um, well- I dunno. It is a rumor, right?

Kind of. That guy writing the article did read the Frank Darabont script (from 2005), and it seems like Lucas has been harping on this same relic for longer... just different drafts. As to what his scooper is reporting, that's rumor, but it's not hearsay... I'd say it's above typical rumor status. When CHUD trusts a source, they're usually on the ball.

And I take it you were not fond of Temple of Doom?

Nah, I really love TEMPLE OF DOOM.

[Loomis]

Uh... well, the physical relic is all fine. It's the fact that INDY IV seems to have everything to do with aliens. Frankly, that idea sucks. Religious relics, please.

Aliens hardly seem ridiculous after Grail knights, magic stones from India, and melting Nazis exposed to the Ark of the Covenant. Plus, you can't say Spielberg doesn't do aliens well. I'm all for this idea - ditch the religious relics (the series has done 'em to death anyway) and bring on the sci-fi, mixing it up with AMERICAN GRAFFITI-style greasers. This sounds like the best of Lucas and Spielberg wrapped up in a single movie.

Suddenly, INDY 4 is interesting to me. If only they'll refrain from bringing Connery back (I like Connery, but hate how LAST CRUSADE made his character basically just a buffoon, and I don't want the same thing again only 20 years older), this ought to be a home run.

[Harmsway]

Uh... well, the physical relic is all fine. It's the fact that INDY IV seems to have everything to do with aliens. Frankly, that idea sucks. Religious relics, please.

Aliens hardly seem ridiculous after Grail knights, magic stones from India, and melting Nazis exposed to the Ark of the Covenant. Plus, you can't say Spielberg doesn't do aliens well. I'm all for this idea - ditch the religious relics (the series has done 'em to death anyway) and bring on the sci-fi, mixing it up with AMERICAN GRAFFITI-style greasers. This sounds like the best of Lucas and Spielberg wrapped up in a single movie.

It's not that they're any less plausible, it's just that they're less compelling. I want the mythology, the mysticism. That's what made the other relics cool... the fact that they tied into other faiths and had that spiritual significance. And these artifacts won't even have the supernatural, unexplainable element at all, now - they're just going to be advanced alien technology. Meh. Furthermore, the last thing I want to see in an Indiana Jones film is a flying saucer or any such nonsense. And an opening scene at

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Area 51

strikes me as an awful idea.

Suddenly, INDY 4 is interesting to me. If only they'll refrain from bringing Connery back (I like Connery, but hate how LAST CRUSADE made his character basically just a buffoon, and I don't want the same thing again only 20 years older), this ought to be a home run.

Connery still hasn't signed, though he has the script and has supposedly been in negotiations. The fact that it is taking so long says to me that the chances of him not returning are pretty good.

[Kilroy6644]

It's not that they're any less plausible, it's just that they're less compelling. I want the mythology, the mysticism. That's what made the other relics cool... the fact that they tied into other faiths and had that spiritual significance. And these artifacts won't even have the supernatural, unexplainable element at all, now - they're just going to be advanced alien technology. Meh. Furthermore, the last thing I want to see in an Indiana Jones film is a flying saucer or any such nonsense. And an opening scene at

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Area 51

strikes me as an awful idea.

I'm with you on the aliens. I much prefer the mysticism and mythology, like you.

However,

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I think an Area 51 scene could work if done right. Everybody immediately thinks of aliens whenever Area 51 is mentioned, but there's no reason aliens have to be involved at all. The U-2 was developed there, and so many experimental aircraft were tested there. There could be any number of things that could be going on there that don't involve aliens. What better place to study relics than a "nonexistant" base? It's not like it's unprecedented for the government to lock away historic objects. Look at Raiders. I haven't read much of anything about the script, so all of that is just speculation.

[Harmsway]

More info from CHUD.

[spoiler]The Indiana Jones IV information keeps rolling in (read last night's revelation of Shia LaBeouf's character and the film's plotline here), thanks to

[Cody]

I didn't like the idea of an alien-based story when I first heard it rumored a decade ago, and I'm not too enthused with it now...

I suppose it makes some sense, with the "Chariots of the Gods" theory that aliens were involved with Easter Island and the building of pyramids/temples, along with aliens being big in the 50s, but I'm not into it.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I didn't like the idea of an alien-based story when I first heard it rumored a decade ago, and I'm not too enthused with it now...

I suppose it makes some sense, with the "Chariots of the Gods" theory that aliens were involved with Easter Island and the building of pyramids/temples, along with aliens being big in the 50s, but I'm not into it.

You mean they weren't!?

[Cody]

If Indy ends up believing aliens built the Sphinx, it must be true.

[dinovelvet]

This sounds terrible. Indy mixing it up with aliens? And greasers? Sigh. I guess only Sly Stallone knows how to bring back an old franchise!

[Mike00spy]

I dunno- these rumors sound too logical to me. It is as if someone who has read about the never ending pre-production of the film has filled in the gaps. We know that there was a rejected draft called "Saucer Men" which seemed to be dismissed as too out there- and now we are in area 51 with some possible alien involvement. Obviously, Karen Allen is the mother since her and Shia have black hair. The Crystal Skull appeared in an Indy continuation novel.

Besides, hasn't Stargate dealt with the same terriorty as Chariots of the Gods? Plus, I am still holding out hope Indy doesn't have a son. . . just b/c it has been rumored Indy had a son/daughter forever now. For someone as secretive as Lucas is on this project, there appears to be way too much info hitting the net lately. Could someone just be stirring the nest?


Or, these rumors are completely true.

[Harmsway]

For someone as secretive as Lucas is on this project, there appears to be way too much info hitting the net lately. Could someone just be stirring the nest?

The story always breaks. Secrecy is impossible these days. And with more and more people having to be in the know as production gets geared up... well, it's natural that somebody out there knows what's going on (hell, we had many plot details for each of the Star Wars prequels as the films began production).

Or, these rumors are completely true.

At the very least, the relic and basic concept is. The webmaster of CHUD has personally read the Frank Darabont draft, and we know the relic has been kept the same since then.

[Harmsway]

I've mulled over the spoilers, and I think I'm fine with them. Not bowled over, mind you, but enough to say... okay, I'll wait and see. Nothing about the reports indicates we'll actually see aliens in the film itself, which was my initial and major concern. It just indicates the relics have extraterrestrial origin. Furthermore, some research indicated the relics do have a basis in mythology and archaeological discovery. See here for pictures and here for the mythology behind them.

I'm indifferent to the rest of the info (it doesn't sound good, doesn't sound bad... it's just the kind of details I'd anticipate from an INDY IV).

Well, here are the most recent pics of Harrison Ford, from last night. So this provides a peek about what he'll look like when he puts on the fedora in a few weeks:

[Royal Dalton]

The crystal skulls stuff all sounds very 'Arthur C. Clarke.'

Good to hear that Karen Allen's in it.

Harrison Ford looks pretty good in those pics, I have to say.

[thecasinoroyale]

I'm more excited with each bit of news we hear. It's so good to hear Indy IV is keeping with what works and the crew/characters/actors who make it so.

And Ford DOES look really well, and is perfect for the aged Indiana. He's gonna kick !

[Loomis]

The story always breaks. Secrecy is impossible these days.

Tell me about it. I was determined not to know how THE SOPRANOS ends, but now I do (or at least I'm pretty sure I do), and it wasn't even thanks to the internet but to picking up a tabloid on the Tube and idly flicking through it.

And if movie geek sites and the print media don't give far too much away about a film, you can trust its trailers to do so.

[Mike00spy]

After looking over some info on this "Chariots of the Gods" book I am a little puzzled. This might be case of over thinking things, but let's go with it.

Indy's own universe has confirmed the existence of God. After all, he did find the Cup of Christ and the Ark. Now, if the 4th movie uses this book as a basis for plot and relic, I am confused completely.

First of all, while it is a fun theory, it has been pretty rejected by scientists (including reports of doctored evidence in his book). It seems wierd that they are using this book to begin with.

Also, how does this book allow for the existence of God as defined by the previous Indy movies? The idea is that all ancient civs were influenced by alien visitors (they built the pyraminds and stuff). So, where exaclty does this place the role of God in these movies? He created aliens, who then visited Earth and shaped the culture as we know it, then God stepped back in and sent down the Ark with its secret army, then sent Christ (who in turn drank from the cup which survived until Indy's discovery)? But then, of course, if there is aliens, then that kinda makes the creation account in the Bible (as well as many sections) invalid.

Like I said, maybe I am thinking about this too much, but considering how long this movie has been waiting for a script, I find it hard to believe no one else has thought about it like this.

[Harmsway]

Well, Mike, don't try to make a complete system about the world as presented by Indiana Jones. They all conflict. If the Jewish/Christian God is true, then Shiva and Kali should not have existed as they did in TEMPLE OF DOOM.

The story always breaks. Secrecy is impossible these days.

Tell me about it. I was determined not to know how THE SOPRANOS ends, but now I do (or at least I'm pretty sure I do), and it wasn't even thanks to the internet but to picking up a tabloid on the Tube and idly flicking through it.

And if movie geek sites and the print media don't give far too much away about a film, you can trust its trailers to do so.

Yeah. It's bad. Even movies that try as hard to keep things secret as possible (THE DARK KNIGHT and INDIANA JONES IV) eventually suffer leaks. And the worst thing about it, is now the general media reports spoilers all the time... there's no "safe zone" from them.

[Harmsway]

Okay, big news. Chud, again has the big story here: http://www.chud.com/...e=news&id=10413. The article had stuff spoiler-guarded, so I did the same, but frankly, I don't think anything it states is actually a big spoiler. Minor stuff, really, and those who were concerned about the story angle will want to read it.

[box]Earlier this week I brought you big news about Indiana Jones IV (still titled Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods, but that could change at a moment's notice). I got more info than I shared with you, but I held it back for the simple fact that I don't know what's a spoiler and what's not at this point. I only ran stuff that I felt would be revealed in trailers and basic synopses, such as the general plotline and characters.

When looking to back up what I ran earlier this week, IESB uncovered a piece of info that I sat on, and they reported it, so now I'm reporting it as well: Cate Blanchett is the baddie in the film, and she's been seen in the last week running around in a Soviet military uniform (that's some pre-production stuff, I believe, not actually shooting anything).

I'm glad that IESB backed up what I ran (nice "typo" on their sourcing, by the way. I laughed!), but I am going to go on record saying that I am not 100% sure that the Area 51 scene is the opening. I've based that on some assumptions and Darabont's draft. Also, and this is probably a major spoiler, so I'll keep it blacked out:

Spoiler

don't expect aliens to have a major role in this film. Chariots of the Gods? is about ANCIENT astronauts, and while alien contact with ancient cultures, and that involves the crystal skulls (and complete crystal skeletons!), is the driving background of this story, I don't believe many living aliens show up at all. So if you're worried that Indy is flying in UFOs or having laser battles, drop that out of your mind now.

IESB promises to get some more info in the coming weeks. I think we're on the verge of having this movie spoiled to already, so I'd like to plead to these guys to consider dialing it back a little, although it's quite possible that they won

[Loomis]

He doesn't believe

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many living aliens show up? So there will be some? Or just dead ones? In any event, bring 'em on - I want some close encounters with E.T. types in the universe of Indiana Jones.

[Andrew]

I was determined not to know how THE SOPRANOS ends, but now I do (or at least I'm pretty sure I do), and it wasn't even thanks to the internet but to picking up a tabloid on the Tube and idly flicking through it.

I wouldn't bet on that: apparently they've shot three different endings so who knows which one will be used and knowing David Chase it will be something that we haven't heard of before so don't be too upset

What exactly did you hear? I frequent a Sopranos message board and we've been separating fact from fiction with these reports for some time.

Sorry for going off-topic

[Harmsway]

He doesn't believe

Spoiler

many living aliens show up? So there will be some? Or just dead ones? In any event, bring 'em on - I want some close encounters with E.T. types in the universe of Indiana Jones.

There's an air of uncertainty about his comments. It certainly seems that

Spoiler

he's pretty sure there's no significant alien scenes in INDY IV, but he's not entirely sure what may or may not be there. I don't really want living aliens in INDY IV, but I can handle alien skeletons and alien contact with ancient cultures okay.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I think its hard to judge the relic based upon a brief summary. After all, the Sankara stones don't seem all that wonderful, but Temple of Doom was still classic.

Uh... well, the physical relic is all fine. It's the fact that INDY IV seems to have everything to do with aliens. Frankly, that idea sucks. Religious relics, please.

Actually, I think it's interesting...there are ancient images in Peru and in Mexico that denote "space men". I think we've seen enough religious stuff...but I think they could gone after the Ark of Noah on mount Arrarat in Turkey(as legend states that's the resting place) or maybe Atlantis...but we'll see. I've been *very* anti-Indy 4 but I think the 80s fanboy in me will cave in when I see the first trailor.

[Loomis]

I was determined not to know how THE SOPRANOS ends, but now I do (or at least I'm pretty sure I do), and it wasn't even thanks to the internet but to picking up a tabloid on the Tube and idly flicking through it.

I wouldn't bet on that: apparently they've shot three different endings so who knows which one will be used and knowing David Chase it will be something that we haven't heard of before so don't be too upset

What exactly did you hear? I frequent a Sopranos message board and we've been separating fact from fiction with these reports for some time.

That the final episode would be

Spoiler

a showdown between two major characters and only one would live. That's all it said, but putting two and two together and making five, I assume that means Tony and Christopher (although I guess it could just as easily be Tony and Carmela, or, heck, Meadow and Dr Melfi - unlikely, though!) - I get the feeling that the entire saga has always been building up to an ultimate conflict between Tony and his loyal but undisciplined and unstable protege. Tony will "win", insofar as Christopher will be the dead one, but he'll be a lame duck and never the same again.

Of course, I could be wrong, but it seems the best guess, and it was what I was expecting anyway.

Which message board are you referring to? I'm not a member of any SOPRANOS sites, but would be interested in having a look at a good one.