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[Scrambled Eggs]

After some painstaking research (one minute on google) into crystal skulls, I've found this:

http://www.world-mys...com/sar_6_1.htm

Thirteen crystal skulls of apparently ancient origin have been found in parts of Mexico, Central America and South America, comprising one of the most fascinating subjects of 20th Century archaeology.
These skulls, found near the ancient ruins of Mayan and Aztec civilizations (with some evidence linking the skulls with past civilization in Peru) are a mystery as profound as the Pyramids of Egypt, the Nazca Lines of Peru, or Stonehenge. Some of the skulls are believed to be between 5,000 and 36,000 years old.
Many indigenous people speak of their remarkable magical and healing properties, but nobody really knows where they came from or what they were used for.
Were they left behind after the destruction of a previous world, such as Atlantis? Are they simply ingenious modern fakes or can they really enable us to see deeply into the past and predict the future?
Much research is currently being done on the skulls. However, their origin is still a baffling mystery. They seem to defy logic. Everything that is known about lapidary work indicates that the skulls should have been shattered fractured, or fallen apart when carved.

Which sounds like the makings of a good movie, set in South America?

[Royal Dalton]

If this Indy is really good it will make me a little sad they didn't do an Indy in 92,95,98...etc.There should have been at least couple of Indy's before Lucas went back to Star Wars.

They didn't make any more because, in 1989, Harrison Ford said he'd be too old to make another one.

Fast forward eighteen years...

[DaveBond21]

Yes, I hope it is really good, because it has been 18 years since the last one. Here's hoping!!

[Tarl_Cabot]

If this Indy is really good it will make me a little sad they didn't do an Indy in 92,95,98...etc.There should have been at least couple of Indy's before Lucas went back to Star Wars.

They didn't make any more because, in 1989, Harrison Ford said he'd be too old to make another one.

Fast forward eighteen years...

Ford has always been pro Indy.I never heard him say he wasn't interested.Besides, the guy is into airplane$ and helicopter$.Anyway, I'm excited.

I just wonder why not sooner. an Indy that took place around 1945 during the war could have been awesome.

[JimmyBond]

After some painstaking research (one minute on google) into crystal skulls, I've found this:

http://www.world-mys...com/sar_6_1.htm

Thirteen crystal skulls of apparently ancient origin have been found in parts of Mexico, Central America and South America, comprising one of the most fascinating subjects of 20th Century archaeology.
These skulls, found near the ancient ruins of Mayan and Aztec civilizations (with some evidence linking the skulls with past civilization in Peru) are a mystery as profound as the Pyramids of Egypt, the Nazca Lines of Peru, or Stonehenge. Some of the skulls are believed to be between 5,000 and 36,000 years old.
Many indigenous people speak of their remarkable magical and healing properties, but nobody really knows where they came from or what they were used for.
Were they left behind after the destruction of a previous world, such as Atlantis? Are they simply ingenious modern fakes or can they really enable us to see deeply into the past and predict the future?
Much research is currently being done on the skulls. However, their origin is still a baffling mystery. They seem to defy logic. Everything that is known about lapidary work indicates that the skulls should have been shattered fractured, or fallen apart when carved.

Which sounds like the makings of a good movie, set in South America?

Sounds like the skulls could have an extra terrestrial origin?

[Royal Dalton]

Ford has always been pro Indy.I never heard him say he wasn't interested.

I have, as I said. That was before he needed a career boost, of course.

[MkB]

Sounds like the skulls could have an extra terrestrial origin?

Yes, it's part of the legend. Some have said there they also have a connection with the Knight Templars (wink, wink ;-) so it seems a very good basis for the story.
Of course, scientist don't really agree, but who cares in a movie? :-)
http://www.si.edu/op...stalSkulls.html

I saw one of these skulls some months ago during an exhibition in Paris, anyway they are fascinating objects.

[JimmyBond]

Sounds like the skulls could have an extra terrestrial origin?

Yes, it's part of the legend.

That wasnt really meant to be a question, more of a rhetorical statement actually. Thanks to a friend, I know the basic structure of this film, should be quite good actually (don't worry, I aint giving out spoilers...not even if you ask).

[Scrambled Eggs]

Sounds like the skulls could have an extra terrestrial origin?

Yes, it's part of the legend. Some have said there they also have a connection with the Knight Templars (wink, wink ;-) so it seems a very good basis for the story.
Of course, scientist don't really agree, but who cares in a movie? :-)
http://www.si.edu/op...stalSkulls.html

I saw one of these skulls some months ago during an exhibition in Paris, anyway they are fascinating objects.

I'm a sucker for this sort of cobblers so I'm a bit suprised that I've never heard of this crystal skull stuff before. The Knights Templar would be an interesting angle for the movie, but perhaps all that stuffs getting a bit old in these Da Vinci Code obsessed times?

Does point to a South American location, which'd make sense for the movie. Finishing back where it all started etc.

[MkB]

That wasnt really meant to be a question, more of a rhetorical statement actually. Thanks to a friend, I know the basic structure of this film, should be quite good actually (don't worry, I aint giving out spoilers...not even if you ask).

Oh, sorry!
Anyway, nice to know the script looks good (and nice not to know more ;-)

[Harmsway]

Sounds like the skulls could have an extra terrestrial origin?

In INDY IV, the crystal skull is a product of an extraterrestrial origin. And in INDY IV, the extraterrestrials are referred to as "the gods," no doubt connecting them to this bit of Mayan myth:

The legend says that there were originally thirteen (13) life-size human skulls of solid crystal with movable jaws that were said to speak and sing. The significance of the number thirteen is that including the Sun, the Moon, and the ten planets in our solar system adds up to the number 12. The last one stands for Quetzalcoatl, the serpent god, who will return again to rule all the planets. The Mayan year was made up of 13 months of 20 days. There are thirteen Mayan gods of the upper world.

These skulls held the greatest mysteries of life and the universe. They told the past history of this planet and the evolution of mankind. The legend says that at a time of great crisis, for humanity, that the skulls will be rediscovered and brought back together to reveal their knowledge.


From here: http://www.angelfire...stalSkulls.html

Does point to a South American location, which'd make sense for the movie. Finishing back where it all started etc.

We've known that South America is the dominant location in INDY IV for quite some time now. They've been using Hawaii to double for it.

They built a giant pyramid set, and built some extraordinary digging/excavation machines for the Soviets to use.

[Qwerty]

Not a bad title. Everyone will just be calling it the "new Indiana Jones" movie anyways.

[JimmyBond]

I'm just glad Indy is'nt going after the Ark again as was rumored a month ago. How lame would that have been?

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Ford has always been pro Indy.I never heard him say he wasn't interested.

I have, as I said. That was before he needed a career boost, of course.

I have never heard Ford say anything but positive things about returning to Indy, and yes, this is before he 'needed a career boost.'

So is there anything to indicate otherwise other than you cynicism?

Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 11 September 2007 - 03:32 AM.

[Royal Dalton]

I'm only repeating what he said in 1989, Mr. Teddy Bear.

[DLibrasnow]

The title is pure pulp, which is why I dig it.

My thoughts exactly.

[gkgyver]

Those crystal skulls could be of extraterrestial origin. There are numerous paintings and stories in various cultures that say life was brought to earth by extraterrestial beings.

Modern science wants to make us believe that history began 3800 A.D. in Sumer. Before that, we were apparently furry wilds and barbarics. There's just a tiny problem. The Sphinx for instance is officially dated 2500 A.D. and its architect is assumed to be Pharao Chephren. And yet, mathematician R.A. Schwaller and egyptologist John Anthony West *proofed* that the erosion at the Sphinx' side could have only come from water. Their examinations proofed that the erosion couldn't be created by wind and sand, but only by 70 centimeter deep, flowing water. West was able to calculate that the Sphinx would have to be exposed to 1000 years of constantly pouring rain to create that kind of erosion.
BUT: the Sahara isn't less than 7000 to 9000 years old, which means the Sphinx has to be at least 8000 to 10 000 years old.
But according to our leading "geniuses", there were no civilisations at that time in that area, let alone one intelligent enough to conceptualise such a great monument, which to build even our technology would have enormous difficulties.

I have no doubt in my mind that there were highly civilised cultures well before Sumer.
I don't have the time now to fully explain the connections, but some decades (or centuries, don't remember now), a dozen stone sakophags were found, and inside parchment with Atlantern knowledge that surpasses ours by centuries. The knights templar were supposedly ordered to hide them, and even today "Illuminati" hold gatherings to worship that knowledge. The original, full knowledge is only passed to a core group of people, but apparently it still exists to this day.

Of course people having blind faith in official science will always be sceptical, but these stories aren't less credible than the ones about walking on water.

[Harmsway]

And yet, mathematician R.A. Schwaller and egyptologist John Anthony West *proofed* that the erosion at the Sphinx' side could have only come from water. Their examinations proofed that the erosion couldn't be created by wind and sand, but only by 70 centimeter deep, flowing water. West was able to calculate that the Sphinx would have to be exposed to 1000 years of constantly pouring rain to create that kind of erosion.
BUT: the Sahara isn't less than 7000 to 9000 years old, which means the Sphinx has to be at least 8000 to 10 000 years old.

There's debate over this. From Wikipedia:

[box]French scholar, mathematician, philosopher, and amateur Egyptologist R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz in the 1950s was the first to note water erosion to the Sphinx, an idea expanded upon by writer John Anthony West in the 1970s. In the 1990s Robert M. Schoch of Boston University investigated the geology of the Sphinx at the urging of John Anthony West, and concluded based solely on the geological evidence that the Sphinx must be much older than currently believed. Schoch has argued that the particular weathering found on the body of the Sphinx and surrounding

[gkgyver]

Fair point. But in the end, it's one point of view against the other, isn't it?
And it's hardly the only mystery that can be found in archaeological history. Like I said, there are paintings on walls and even churches that show flying objects frightfully similar to our understanding of flying saucers, and men in space suits.
There's the story of Quetzacoatl, a god that came from the sky and brought people technology. Golden statues in the shape of spaceshuttles were found; they were believed to depict insects, but their forms are unlike anything that can be found in nature. These statues were rebuild by modelers on a larger scale, and they showcased aerodynamic abilities on par with today's standards.

Human history didn't suddenly pop up 3000 years ago with the Sumerians. The kingdom of Sumer had already maps of our solar system, with all planets in correct order, and it even includes an additional planet between Mars and Jupiter. Today, there's a remarkably big gap between Mars and Jupiter, in which an Asteroid Belt is located.

[MkB]

Modern science wants to make us believe that history began 3800 A.D. in Sumer. Before that, we were apparently furry wilds and barbarics.

Mmmmh... "Before", "before"... Some things never change (whatever the haircut)! ;-)

[Royal Dalton]

Here's a video about the crystal skulls mystery:

http://www.youtube.c...c...ted&search=

[Harmsway]

And it's hardly the only mystery that can be found in archaeological history.

Of course.

Like I said, there are paintings on walls and even churches that show flying objects frightfully similar to our understanding of flying saucers, and men in space suits.

I've seen 'em. They certainly are interesting.

Golden statues in the shape of spaceshuttles were found; they were believed to depict insects, but their forms are unlike anything that can be found in nature. These statues were rebuild by modelers on a larger scale, and they showcased aerodynamic abilities on par with today's standards.

Do you have photos of these? I'd be interested to see them.

Human history didn't suddenly pop up 3000 years ago with the Sumerians.

On that much, I certainly agree. There is much mystery in the world, and we should embrace it. That said, though, the nature of society prior to the Sumerians is largely speculative.

[Kilroy6644]

Human history didn't suddenly pop up 3000 years ago with the Sumerians.

On that much, I certainly agree. There is much mystery in the world, and we should embrace it. That said, though, the nature of society prior to the Sumerians is largely speculative.

I like Robert E. Howard's "speculations" the best.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Here's a video about the crystal skulls mystery:

http://www.youtube.c...c...ted&search=

Thanks. Very interesting.

[gkgyver]

Do you have photos of these? I'd be interested to see them.

Yes, of course. Here are some of them in a folder.

Picture 7 shows a praecolombian statuette from Ecuador (1500 years ago), showing a man similar to an astronaut. Above, you can see part of an aztec painting, showing the god Quetzalcoatl, of whom the legend says that he came to earth on a "feathered snake" and brought the Aztecs their culture.

Picture 8 is a fresco from a monastery in Kosovo (14th century).

Picture 9 can be found on an assyric cylinder. It shows the birth of the first man.

Picture 10 is from the temple Karukayado in Hashimoto, Japan. It shows a 1400 years old, mumified "mermaid". Medical examinations have shown that it is no fake. The upper body is actually human, the lower body has the genetics of a fish.

Picture 11 on the left shows a bust of Nofretete, the skull on the right was found in Bolivia, South America. Tibetan lore also tells of beings with similar heads, that live in Samadhi caves underneath Himalaya.

Picture 12: on the lower half, you can see the so-called "hammer of Texas", which is one of the most mysterious founds in history. It is 96.6 % iron, and an X-ray showed that it is chemically pure. Iron is used since 2000 before christ - officially. But this hammer is 140 million years old.
On the top, you see the fossil of a thumb, which was also found in Texas. It's 20 % larger than a human's thumb, and is also millions of years old. On the right, the X-ray shows no difference between this finger and one of ours.

Picture 13 shows the golden statuettes. They were found about 1500 years ago in Columbia.

There also another amazing photo (not in this folder) that shows the Piri-Reis map from the year 1513, made by admiral Piri-Reis. On there are many details that shoudln't even have been known at that time - like the Antarctis without ice. The map is oddly distorted, like it was taken from the sky. The map maker himself says the map was pieced together from 20 older maps from the times of Alexander The Great, and that show the entire (!) world. Between fireland and antarctis, the map also shows a bridge of land. The last time there was one there was 11 000 years ago. Who did these maps?

http://www.megauploa.../de/?d=SAYPUW0F

[zencat]

Good article about the Crystal Skulls here:

http://www.mtv.com/m...er=rssBloglines

[Harmsway]

Picture 8 is a fresco from a monastery in Kosovo (14th century).

Interesting.

Picture 12: on the lower half, you can see the so-called "hammer of Texas", which is one of the most mysterious founds in history. It is 96.6 % iron, and an X-ray showed that it is chemically pure. Iron is used since 2000 before christ - officially. But this hammer is 140 million years old.

On the top, you see the fossil of a thumb, which was also found in Texas. It's 20 % larger than a human's thumb, and is also millions of years old. On the right, the X-ray shows no difference between this finger and one of ours.

Actually, the scientific consensus on this artifact is that it's probably young. Largely because there is no real evidence the hammer is any more than a few decades old. Here's a more in-depth article:

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/hammer.htm

Picture 13 shows the golden statuettes. They were found about 1500 years ago in Columbia.

Fascinating.

There also another amazing photo (not in this folder) that shows the Piri-Reis map from the year 1513, made by admiral Piri-Reis.

Yes, I'm familiar with it. Quite an incredible object, and demonstrates a remarkable level of knowledge for a primitive world.

[DaveBond21]

Can someone remind me of the history of this 4th movie? When did we FIRST hear rumours of it?

[zencat]

I can spill a little "insider" info. Indy 4 has been shooting at Sony. Not even the hardcore Indy sites knew this. [dark] and I stumbled on the stages when we were having lunch there a few weeks back. Don't know what was on the stages because there were lots of big teamsters beside signs that said "closed set" glaring at us. Anyway, the shoot is over and the stages are being cleared. Apparently, lots of trees are coming out.

So there's your useless insider info for the day. I now return you to your regular scheduled programing.

[Royal Dalton]

Can someone remind me of the history of this 4th movie? When did we FIRST hear rumours of it?

I think Jeffrey Boam officially started working on a script for it in the mid-Nineties. Rick McCallum was originally going to be the main producer, and he talked very enthusiastically about Boam's screenplay at around the time of the Star Wars Special Edition releases, and during the production of The Phantom Menace.

But even then, he said they weren't planning to shoot it for quite a long time. Between the last two Star Wars prequels, at the earliest, IIRC.