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[Messervy]

I hated when Bond is being chased through the opera house and they silence everything and put in depressing music with and use slow mo. overlayed with Tocasa play, it just bugs me for some reason.

Funny; it's precisely one of the moments in the direction of the movie that I really love. Very original, never seen before in a Bond movie, and, to me, it really adds to the drama. Brilliant work. One of the reasons why I highly enjoy QoS.

haha, I kind of go back and forth...I should say the silence of the gunfight irritates me, the overlaying of the Tocasa opera was rather interesting and obviously paralleled the action sequence. But again the silence, idk didn't like it in the action sequence...to me doesn't seem 'bondian'.

That's an interesting sub-topic.
To me, it is very "bondian", in that it is a very stylish way of dealing with the obvious tension at hand. Apart from the fact that it is quite original (indeed, a movie most usually provides the sounds for a scene!), it gives you an opportunity to watch the scene from another perspective. You're both into the action and out of the action. The fact that you see what's happening yet don't hear it brings about some confusion that, to me, is quite welcome. Besides, it is classy (an Opera performance), hence "bondian".
On the whole, I love what original style the director tried to bring about into the Bond canon. I do understand why some people dislike it, but I myself am very fond of this approach which inspires the franchise with some fresh ideas.

[Jack Rapace]

The sequence with the bus, in LALD.
Why 007 steals this vehicle? The cops are there, they see Bond and Solitaire stealing a property of the county ! Bond wants to join the boat as quickly as possible, so he chose the slowest car and the most visible one of all... Ridiculous!

Edited by Jack Rapace, 20 December 2010 - 12:08 PM.

[sharpshooter]

The sequence with the bus, in LALD.
Why 007 steals this vehicle?

It's quite clear, is it not? The bus may be slow, but it's sturdy. The pursuers are slipping all over the road, and Bond and Solitaire just keep chugging along. Protected. And it's meant to be humorous at the same time. Just as the moon buggy is tailor made for the desert environment in DAF.

[Jack Rapace]

Just as the moon buggy is tailor made for the desert environment in DAF.

With a reference like this, I understand. Funny indeed.

[Liparus]

The sequence with the bus, in LALD.
Why 007 steals this vehicle?

It's quite clear, is it not? The bus may be slow, but it's sturdy. The pursuers are slipping all over the road, and Bond and Solitaire just keep chugging along. Protected. And it's meant to be humorous at the same time. Just as the moon buggy is tailor made for the desert environment in DAF.

Bond is a clown for you, a spy for others.
Stupid sequence indeed !

[sharpshooter]

Bond is a clown for you, a spy for others.

What on Earth are you going on about?

I am pointing out the intention of the scene. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Goodnight]

On the whole waxworks thing, I seem to remember that at the beginning of the film the waxworks aren't waxworks at all. They're people, keeping very very still. But you can see them breathing which kind of gives the game away. Do I remember correctly?

I know they are just people standing still, but within the film
they are waxworks...that is my point!

Oops sorry! So I agree with you then - it's ridiculous!

No need to apologise, I gathered it was just a simple misunderstanding.

[DamnCoffee]

The sequence with the bus, in LALD.
Why 007 steals this vehicle?

It's quite clear, is it not? The bus may be slow, but it's sturdy. The pursuers are slipping all over the road, and Bond and Solitaire just keep chugging along. Protected. And it's meant to be humorous at the same time. Just as the moon buggy is tailor made for the desert environment in DAF.

Bond is a clown for you, a spy for others.
Stupid sequence indeed !

This obviously isn't the case. I feel Sharpshooter knows Bonds character very well, and he's spot on. The Roger Moore era was light hearted, and fun. It doesn't mean that Sharpshooter sees Bond as a clown, it just shows that he can see the humorous side of Bond, as well as the serious.

[Jack Rapace]

I feel Sharpshooter knows Bonds character very well, and he's spot on.

He's probably a Fleming relative...and the only one capable to give an enlighten advise ? At 21 he's probably very informed...
I don't need him personally to understand that the Moore era was an light hearted one !
Stealing a bus is a stupid idea but a clownish one for sure.

Edited by Jack Rapace, 20 December 2010 - 05:49 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

I was talking to Liparus...

[sharpshooter]

I feel Sharpshooter knows Bonds character very well, and he's spot on.

He's probably a Fleming relative...and the only one capable to give an enlighten advise ? At 21 he's probably very informed...
I don't need him personally to understand that the Moore era was an light hearted one !

What is your problem?

I really don't understand all the angst going on here. I replied to a post questioning the legitimacy of using a large bus as an escape vehicle. Nothing to get worked up over. All of this angst is manufactured and definitely not neccesary. Certainly not something to get personal about, bringing up my age as some form of evidence to prove your unlikely superiority. I would've liked to have stuck to the topic at hand, but you chose to play the man for some bizarre reason. I'd like to see how you react to something, you know, serious.

I maintain that while it looks unlikely, the bus was not a stupid idea. And it was proven to be strategically sound, as the size and speed of the vehicle was the determining factor. It truly was slow and steady wins the race. And you don't seem to be able to fathom that. As you do not understand the scene, that's you're problem, not mine. So keep your emotions in check.

Anyway, I'll stoop to your subterranean level again and state this: It's best not to wrestle with pigs. You just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Even when GoldenEye is my all time favourite Bond film, I can't stand when Alec says the quip about Vodka Martinis silenciationg the screams of all the guys Bond killed and Pierce does "Huh!" with a smile on the face and rising an eyebrow. It's not supposed to make Bond amuse, particularily when he hates killing (as mentioned in the novels and in The World is not Enough four years later). I'd have liked a more serious look of Bond, ignoring the quip.

[Santa]

So basically, going by this thread, for most people the whole Brosnan era was just one massive irritation. Like the world's largest mosquito bite.

[JimmyBond]

Even when GoldenEye is my all time favourite Bond film, I can't stand when Alec says the quip about Vodka Martinis silenciationg the screams of all the guys Bond killed and Pierce does "Huh!" with a smile on the face and rising an eyebrow. It's not supposed to make Bond amuse,

I don't believe the point was that Bond was amused by the quip. I think he was amused at Alec trying to psychoanalyze him.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

So basically, going by this thread, for most people the whole Brosnan era was just one massive irritation. Like the world's largest mosquito bite.

Not for me. Pierce was, is and will always be my favourite Bond. I've just mentioned Die Another Day and GoldenEye here, but just details. Quantum of Solace has had a lot more irritations for me.

[Scaramanga'74]

Well, let me see ...

1) Connery's grey-flecked toupee in Diamonds Are Forever. Why couldn't they give him a black wig?

2) Eric Serra's abysmal performance in Goldeneye.

3) The under-utilisation of the James Bond theme score in Casino Royale and QoS.

That's all for now.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Bond trying to sacrifice Camille in Quantum of Solace.

[Mr. Blofeld]

What is your problem with QOS, Nic? Brosnan's era was far more rife with piles, methinks...

[JimmyBond]

What is your problem with QOS, Nic? Brosnan's era was far more rife with piles, methinks...

You get a plus one for that!

I'm not about to compare Craig's films to Brosnan's films. But I did recently watch TND and found my interest waning near the end of the film. In fact I got online and was talking to a friend during the stealth ship shoot out.

[Safari Suit]

QOS is a fine film, but on a discussion forum it might be an idea to not get wound up and pull a silly face over every little criticism of it like you wrote, directed, scored and performed the whole thing yourself.

[Mr. Blofeld]

You get a plus one for that!

I appear to now only have a -2.

QOS is a fine film, but on a discussion forum it might be an idea to not get wound up and pull a silly face over every little criticism of it like you wrote, directed, scored and performed the whole thing yourself.

I understand... but it's not silly to me that QOS is the new thing to hate, around here; everywhere I turn, it's like playing the game of "kick the dog while it's down".

I certainly hope the critiques of QOS become more measured with time, especially with the release of more Bond films, but with it being the most recently released Bond film, it irks me to no end to see it tarred and feathered to such extent.

[JimmyBond]

I remember DAD having a similar time on the forums back in the day. When it first came out I remember a lot of people praising it and saying it was great and all. But after the newness of it wore off people started slagging it off a lot. It irked me to no end, and I took a similar stance that you did concerning that film.

However in the end it doesn't change anything. The haters will still be hating and nothing you say will change their mind.

[Dan Gale]

In Goldfinger's PTS when Bond surfaces from the water and shoots his grappling hook over the wall. You can clearly see him shoot then out from under the right-hand side of the gun flys the hook on an extremely bright white rope. As if someone had thrown it.

I think the idea was that only the grappling hook was fired from the gun and the rope was in a coil on the floor by Bond's feet, I don't think the rope itself was meant to be coming out of the gun. I'm not sure it would all fit in the handle...

[Dan Gale]

It's always bugged me that everyone at the time was praising G*ldeneye as being the saviour of the series when it's got so much wrong with it from stiff performances, dodgy accents, lousy music, iffy model work, bad continuity, backwards flowing water (!), a cringingly unfunny Q scene, OTT shoehorning of products, the list is endless. And yet the previous two films blew it out of the water for style, action, sheer Fleming's Bond-ness mixed with Cinema Bond-ness yet they were regarded by so many as failures. I had a girlfriend at the time who said she thought Brosnan's debut was "a masterpiece" and many reviews said the same. I often wondered "are you all referring to a different film?" as I came out of the cinema November 1995 feeling very uncertain about Bond's future. Interestingly, after seeing Tomorrow Never Dies, a film some regard as a bit shallow, I felt much happier. The end was a tad rushed but the spirit was there and the music nailed it and gave it the atmosphere it needed: maybe it was just relief it wasn't G*ldeneye Part 2.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

Roger Moore taking advantage of Jane Seymour in LALD irritates me.

[Goodnight]

In DAD when Graves is showing off Icarus in Iceland, how come everyone puts a pair of sunglasses on, except Bond and Jinx?

it's such a silly obvious mistake! I spotted it the first time I saw the film on screen.

[JimmyBond]

In DAD when Graves is showing off Icarus in Iceland, how come everyone puts a pair of sunglasses on, except Bond and Jinx?

it's such a silly obvious mistake! I spotted it the first time I saw the film on screen.

Is it really a mistake though? Bond and Jinx are both there for a reason. Perhaps while everyone else is eying the "second sun," Bond and Jinx are scanning the crowd checking things out. It's no coincidence that Bond uses this time to spy on Grave's biodomes (of whatever it was called).

[sharpshooter]

Perhaps while everyone else is eying the "second sun," Bond and Jinx are scanning the crowd checking things out. It's no coincidence that Bond uses this time to spy on Grave's biodomes (of whatever it was called).

Yeah, it’s not a mistake. It also showcases that safety is beneath Bond. He’s too cool for it, has the skills and gets by anyway. Maybe not so well against direct potent sunlight, but he’s arrogant enough to believe so. It’s only a brief moment, anyway. A reason why I would’ve preferred the helmet-less jetpack ride in the TB PTS.

[Goodnight]

Is it really a mistake though? Bond and Jinx are both there for a reason. Perhaps while everyone else is eying the "second sun," Bond and Jinx are scanning the crowd checking things out. It's no coincidence that Bond uses this time to spy on Grave's biodomes (of whatever it was called).

I just thought that they would both need to protect their eyes. But you make a good point here.

[Goodnight]

When the hotel recepionist lady gives Bond a letter in TSWLM...

"HELLOOOOUUUUUU, I have a message for you."


Not that I actually find it annoying, just quite funny.