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[seawolfnyy]

Lynn Holly Johnson.

[Odd Jobbies]

Carry On film humour

[Call Billy Bob]

Not enough humor with Dalton.

 

Ignoring OHMSS when they made DAF.

[Guy Haines]

Double taking animals and pigeons.

 

Drunks.

 

The theme from Lawrence of Arabia in TSWLM - we know Bond and Anya are stuck in the desert, we don't need another film's music to remind us.

 

The theme from the Magnificent Seven in MR (Similar reason to point three above applies.)

 

Definitely the song California Girls in AVTAK

 

Incidentally, we might have got a piece of "outside music" in YOLT - the extended CD includes a brief riff of the song "Hot Time In The Old Town Tonight" at the end of the track "James Bond - Ninja" Wonder if they were saving that one up for the scene when the volcano explodes? Thankfully it wasn't used.

[Odd Jobbies]

Guy, good examples there- exactly what I meant above by 'Carry On film' humour.

The early films and Craig's have heralded the welcome return of wit rather than 'gags'.

However it was very disappointing to see a few nods to the 'Carry On' days in SF: the elderly couple gag as Bond leaps onto the tube train. Also the turning the Bond theme into parody when the Aston Martin gets blown up. A shame because aside from these strangely out of place a orations it was one the best 2 or 3 Bond films ever made.

[seawolfnyy]

Die Another Day.

[glidrose]

Guy, good examples there- exactly what I meant above by 'Carry On film' humour.

The early films and Craig's have heralded the welcome return of wit rather than 'gags'.

However it was very disappointing to see a few nods to the 'Carry On' days in SF: the elderly couple gag as Bond leaps onto the tube train.

Gotta disagree. I loved that moment. Welcome reminder of the humor of old. Wish there were more humor like that - and not the godawful puns and quips Brosnan/Bond was forced to utter.

[seawolfnyy]

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

[Professor Pi]

 

Guy, good examples there- exactly what I meant above by 'Carry On film' humour.

The early films and Craig's have heralded the welcome return of wit rather than 'gags'.

However it was very disappointing to see a few nods to the 'Carry On' days in SF: the elderly couple gag as Bond leaps onto the tube train.

Gotta disagree. I loved that moment. Welcome reminder of the humor of old. Wish there were more humor like that - and not the godawful puns and quips Brosnan/Bond was forced to utter.

 

 

somewhat related...Q's slowness at recognizing Silva on the train with Bond questioning "Do I get on the train or not?", which sets up the whole thing.  Not that I should expect more from a guy who just plugged his network into an infected computer...

[DamnCoffee]

Yeah that always bugged me a little bit, too. 

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

 

Also I've never noticed this before!

Guy, good examples there- exactly what I meant above by 'Carry On film' humour.

The early films and Craig's have heralded the welcome return of wit rather than 'gags'.

However it was very disappointing to see a few nods to the 'Carry On' days in SF: the elderly couple gag as Bond leaps onto the tube train. Also the turning the Bond theme into parody when the Aston Martin gets blown up. A shame because aside from these strangely out of place a orations it was one the best 2 or 3 Bond films ever made.

 

I can see where you're coming from regarding the first one, I like it personally and find it quite funny. I can no way see though, how 'Carry On humour' can in any way be related to Bonds Aston blowing up. The scene is great. Sent chills down my spine the first time I saw it. The only way it's funny is how pissed off Bond is because they blew up his car! I wouldn't even say it is funny, thinking about it. At that point I just wanted Bond to F*** them all up. 

Edited by DamnCoffee, 16 December 2014 - 02:48 AM.

[tdalton]

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

 

Never noticed that before.  

 

Gives me a decent reason to go back and watch Licence to Kill, not that I ever need an excuse to watch it.  

 

One irritation that I can think of off the top of my head is the shot of Mollaka jumping off of something at the construction site in Casino Royale.  They have one shot of him flying through the air and then cut to a completely different shot, which makes it look like he's actually gained elevation on the way down.  It might just be me, but that little lapse in editing always bothered me more than it probably should have.

Edited by tdalton, 16 December 2014 - 02:49 AM.

[Matt Monro]

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

It is intended to be easily noticeable.  It's a FLASHBACK.  It's done on the assumption that the audience is stupid enough to forget the gifting of the lighter 90 minutes previously.  Apparently, they were correct.

[Guy Haines]

Bond's DB5 being blown to bits near the end of SF - and his reaction to it - is one of my favourite scenes in that movie. He's gone through an emotional wringer, although he doesn't show it much. He's quite calm and matter of fact when the villain shoots Severine dead. But blow up that car - the look on Daniel Craig's face was priceless.

 

There are some things Bond can stand, but touch that car? That's a step too far!

[west]

Blofeld's cat scene stealing in You Only Live Twice.

1) When Blofeld shoots Mr. Osato, the cat jumps out of his arms, Connery reacts and watches it, just about breaking character. Then Donald Pleasence continues the scene with his arm in position as if the cat is meant to be there. Why didn't they re-shoot the scene?

2) The cat freaking out as the control room starts to be destroyed and Pleasence struggling to hang onto him.

[seawolfnyy]

2:28-2:30. Argh, it drives me crazy!

 

[Vauxhall]

Ha, I'd never noticed that either - but that's sure to annoy me from now on.

[Logie]

Good catch with that lighter shot! I never spotted that before.

 

Most of Brosnan's 'quips' were pretty woeful, but the one that really sets my teeth on edge is "I'm Mr. Kill" / "Now there's a name to die for". Stupid, stupid dialogue.

[seawolfnyy]

Good catch with that lighter shot! I never spotted that before.

 

Most of Brosnan's 'quips' were pretty woeful, but the one that really sets my teeth on edge is "I'm Mr. Kill" / "Now there's a name to die for". Stupid, stupid dialogue.

There are times when they write the dialogue just to make those quips and it's ridiculous because it doesn't sound natural.

[Odd Jobbies]

Yeah that always bugged me a little bit, too. 

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

 

Also I've never noticed this before!

Guy, good examples there- exactly what I meant above by 'Carry On film' humour.

The early films and Craig's have heralded the welcome return of wit rather than 'gags'.

However it was very disappointing to see a few nods to the 'Carry On' days in SF: the elderly couple gag as Bond leaps onto the tube train. Also the turning the Bond theme into parody when the Aston Martin gets blown up. A shame because aside from these strangely out of place a orations it was one the best 2 or 3 Bond films ever made.

 

I can see where you're coming from regarding the first one, I like it personally and find it quite funny. I can no way see though, how 'Carry On humour' can in any way be related to Bonds Aston blowing up. The scene is great. Sent chills down my spine the first time I saw it. The only way it's funny is how pissed off Bond is because they blew up his car! I wouldn't even say it is funny, thinking about it. At that point I just wanted Bond to F*** them all up. 

The cam zooms in on Craig with a short blast of the Bond theme. It was already a funny moment and Craig's reaction said it all, but in the edit the somehow deemed it necessary to turn a witty moment and good acting int slapstick, using the Bond theme as a post gag cymbal crash.

 

They similarly overcooked the ejector seat gag; we all got the joke when Bond flicked open the gear stick revealing the button (everyone knows what the button doe for god's sake). Bond give M a wry look which is returned by M as she sees the button..... .... very nicely done until Bond does a Basil Exposition and tells us all exactly what we've just seen. What a shame this was aimed at the lowest common denominator in the audience.

[Professor Pi]

2:28-2:30. Argh, it drives me crazy!

 

 

That being my favorite villain death, I've never noticed that before.  Still, it's not going to bother me.

[batmatt92]

 

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

It is intended to be easily noticeable.  It's a FLASHBACK.  It's done on the assumption that the audience is stupid enough to forget the gifting of the lighter 90 minutes previously.  Apparently, they were correct.

 

I'd have to side with my fellow Matt on this one. I don't think it was meant to be a close-up of the lighter in that very moment, but rather a brief reminder to the audience of where it came from. Because yes, the audience often needs these things to be spelled out for them.

[seawolfnyy]

 

 

At the end of Licence to Kill, the re-used shot of Bond examining the lighter from Felix's wedding when he is showing the lighter to Sanchez. The fact that is easily noticeable that it's the same shot ruins the immersion and hampers the overall scene.

It is intended to be easily noticeable.  It's a FLASHBACK.  It's done on the assumption that the audience is stupid enough to forget the gifting of the lighter 90 minutes previously.  Apparently, they were correct.

 

I'd have to side with my fellow Matt on this one. I don't think it was meant to be a close-up of the lighter in that very moment, but rather a brief reminder to the audience of where it came from. Because yes, the audience often needs these things to be spelled out for them.

 

If that´s the case, it´s just plain stupid. It´s immersion-breaking and unnecessary. For me, it´s always been a distraction from another-wise great finale. I´ve always felt it was lazy and poor editing by John Glen.

[hilly]

The first one that came to mind for me is the Minister of Defense in Tomorrow Never Dies. He's rather annoying and over-pronounces his S's.

"M - you have 48 hourss to invesstigate!"

The actor concerned- Julian Fellowes- went on to create Downton Abbey..

 

 

5. The little hop in the pre-Connery gunbarrel sequences.

You do mean the gunbarrel of the Connery films, rather than the gunbarrel of the pre-Connery films (which don't exist) ?

Just checking

 

I think he means Bob Simmons, before Connery did the walk himself in TB.

 

Speaking of Connery gun-barrel, how about the way Connery wobbles as he drops to his knee to fire the gun?

[Call Billy Bob]

Speaking of gunbarrels, one of my irritations would be "why is Lazenby the only one to drop to a knee when firing?" It makes the most practical sense and it's my favorite gunbarrel walk because of it.

[seawolfnyy]

Speaking of gunbarrels, one of my irritations would be "why is Lazenby the only one to drop to a knee when firing?" It makes the most practical sense and it's my favorite gunbarrel walk because of it.

Actually, I believe he does that to foreshadow Bond proposing marriage to Tracy in the film.

[Call Billy Bob]

That had never occurred to me before! To me, it always made the most sense to dodge when firing if someone had you in their sights... but I like it even more now for your reason!

[seawolfnyy]

That had never occurred to me before! To me, it always made the most sense to dodge when firing if someone had you in their sights... but I like it even more now for your reason!

Well thank you, but it's not my reasoning. It was done specifically for that reason. I can't remember exactly who came up with the idea (it was either Terrance Young or Albert Broccoli), but they did so for this particular reason.

[Trevelyan 006]

 

That had never occurred to me before! To me, it always made the most sense to dodge when firing if someone had you in their sights... but I like it even more now for your reason!

Well thank you, but it's not my reasoning. It was done specifically for that reason. I can't remember exactly who came up with the idea (it was either Terrance Young or Albert Broccoli), but they did so for this particular reason.

 

I had absolutely no idea that that was the case! I just figured it was a way to further separate Connery from Lazenby for audiences, again trying to drive the 'different, new Bond' point home... 

Edited by Trevelyan 006, 18 December 2014 - 01:03 AM.

[Call Billy Bob]

 

That had never occurred to me before! To me, it always made the most sense to dodge when firing if someone had you in their sights... but I like it even more now for your reason!

Well thank you, but it's not my reasoning. It was done specifically for that reason. I can't remember exactly who came up with the idea (it was either Terrance Young or Albert Broccoli), but they did so for this particular reason.

 

Well, whoever came up with it - genius move.

[dtuba]

The terrible sound editing/looping always bothers me, like when a line of dialogue is inserted that is out of sync with the actor's delivery. We are all familiar with "Cai..Cai..Cairo!" from DAF, but there are other such flubs in the series:

 

-In OHMSS, during the stock car chase, Tracy's line "How do we get out?" is looped twice into the soundtrack;  the second time we see her and her lips aren't even moving!

 

- in FYEO, right before Locque drives off the cliff, Bond shoots him and we hear Locque audibly react with "Aiee!" but...we don't see his lips moving in that scene either.

 

I'm sure there are other such flubs but I can't think of them right now.