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[Royal Dalton]

Casino Royale is anti-God. Bit extreme isn't it...

It is a tad. I don't think Casino Royale's anti-God. It just believes in a reasonable rate of return.

[Taro Todoroki]

Only messin' with ya, Doc.

Still, it's not 'really' democratic, is it?

"Search your feelings, you know this to be true!"

Actually, it's a republic.

[Royal Dalton]

Actually, it's a republic.

Er, so...?

[rogermoore007]

>peeks around doorway< is it safe to come out now?

[Taro Todoroki]

Actually, it's a republic.

Er, so...?

To answer the question, the USA is a democratic republic, not a pure democracy.

[Royal Dalton]

Why is it an impure democracy, then, Taro?

[Taro Todoroki]

Why is it an impure democracy, then, Taro?

We elect representatives to vote on laws, instead of every law coming before a vote of the people.

[Royal Dalton]

That's the way pretty much all western democracies operate. I can't see what America being a democratic republic has to do with it.

The only difference is that, in most other countries, the people who form the government are themselves directly elected by the people.

[Taro Todoroki]

That's the way pretty much all western democracies operate. I can't see what America being a democratic republic has to do with it.

The only difference is that, in most other countries, the people who form the government are themselves directly elected by the people.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not the smartest student of civics. Are you talking about the cabinet and cabinet level officials? They are not directly elected but must pass before the senate which is, for approval. The cabinet helps set policy but does not pass, enforce or interpet laws.

[Royal Dalton]

Yes, the cabinet. I'm not saying Britain's any better, mind you, Taro.

See also: The House of Lords.

[Kilroy6644]

The only difference is that, in most other countries, the people who form the government are themselves directly elected by the people.

Well, that's how it works in America. The members of both Houses of Congress, the President, and the Vice President are all elected. The Cabinet is appointed by the President, with Congressional approval. The United States Cabinet actually has much less authority than the UK Cabinet, since they do not decide policy. (That's not to say they don't influence policy, but ultimately they have no actual power.)

[Royal Dalton]

Oh yeah, that's fair enough, Kilroy. I'm just saying it's (democratically speaking) a bit flawed, that's all.

Like I said, though, our democracy's no better than yours, and it's probably a lot worse in many ways.

The Royal Prerogative, anyone?

[sharpshooter]

It is pathetic. People bring religion into everything, and now into a film that is made with no other intention that to be enjoyed for two hours or more.

[Taro Todoroki]

Yes, the cabinet. I'm not saying Britain's any better, mind you, Taro.

See also: The House of Lords.

Understand my friend. But I was wrong. As part of the executive branch members of the cabinet DO enforce laws. Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security, Interior etc.

[Royal Dalton]

It is pathetic. People bring religion into everything, and now into a film that is made with no other intention that to be enjoyed for two hours or more.

God knows (excuse the pun) what they'd say if the next film was called Hell is Here.

Understand my friend. But I was wrong. As part of the executive branch members of the cabinet DO enforce laws. Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security, Interior etc.

No probs, Taro.

We should be talking about religion, anyway!

[Taro Todoroki]

It is pathetic. People bring religion into everything, and now into a film that is made with no other intention that to be enjoyed for two hours or more.

God knows (excuse the pun) what they'd say if the next film was called Hell is Here.

Understand my friend. But I was wrong. As part of the executive branch members of the cabinet DO enforce laws. Justice, Treasury, Homeland Security, Interior etc.

No probs, Taro.

We should be talking about religion, anyway!

Oh no! Never!

[bill007]

http://www.capalert....asinoroyale.htm

Draw your own conclusions. I have drawn mine.

Quite the topic, Jim.

[stamper]

And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

There is an old phrase "you get the society you deserve". Would our more intelligent American cousins please remember this when voting next year?

I actually agree with that, but religious zealots have been living in americas for ages.

[Kiss Kiss Bang Bang]

Well, when I first saw the topic noone was willing to say anything in it. I look now and a flame-war (or close to it) is going on. That's developement ;]

About the website... Well I got the impression that it serves mainly as an advisor for parets etc ("More than 1100 film analyses for parents, grandparents, pastors, youth leaders and more."). As such, as a TOOL it is a great idea. If it kept to its word and stood for objectivity I would jump on such an idea. I can not say I'm a believer myself, but such website doesn't serve only Christians, but all of parents concerned with their child's mental and spiritual progress. Their religion is almost unimportant at this point. The bad part is, that it doesn't, as it states, give objective rewievs. On the contrary, it gives the reader some, slightly off, analisys of the content. The best example being the "finger sucking" - Bond didn't do it for making her aroused, but to soothe her, in a very delicate, way. Like you do it for a child.

I always thought that in all the action movies Bond films are special. 007 shoots loads of ammo, kills the enemies of the world but there is almost no blood shown. He also "gets it" with most of the girls but there is never (well, almost never) any really intimate body part shown. The filmmakers were always very careful about this one. This makes "Bonds" very special. It differentiates'em from hundreds and hundreds of movies.

[Safari Suit]

About the website... Well I got the impression that it serves mainly as an advisor for parets etc ("More than 1100 film analyses for parents, grandparents, pastors, youth leaders and more."). As such, as a TOOL it is a great idea. If it kept to its word and stood for objectivity I would jump on such an idea. I can not say I'm a believer myself, but such website doesn't serve only Christians, but all of parents concerned with their child's mental and spiritual progress. Their religion is almost unimportant at this point. The bad part is, that it doesn't, as it states, give objective rewievs. On the contrary, it gives the reader some, slightly off, analisys of the content. The best example being the "finger sucking" - Bond didn't do it for making her aroused, but to soothe her, in a very delicate, way. Like you do it for a child.

This website might be more what you're looking for:
http://www.screenit.com/index1.html

[Zorin Industries]

[quote name='doublenoughtspy' post='726458' date='13 April 2007 - 18:27'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='726435' date='13 April 2007 - 12:16']And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

There is an old phrase "you get the society you deserve". Would our more intelligent American cousins please remember this when voting next year?[/quote]

Zorin - take your Bush and America bashing somewhere else please.
[/quote]

I am not bashing America by any stretch. Though, whichever way you look at it, the current President has shamed your good country in the world arena in a corporate-influenced style that is not only shameful and demeans ALL Americans, it has de-stabilised world peace, diminished human rights, used "God" as a battering ram and pillaged any notion of "democracy" the USA once celebrated.

Unlike your current President, I can go on.

However, such debates are not for this website. I want my megalomaniacs to stroke white cats, not the palms of big business.

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='726442' date='13 April 2007 - 17:26'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='726435' date='13 April 2007 - 11:16']And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

There is an old phrase "you get the society you deserve". Would our more intelligent American cousins please remember this when voting next year?[/quote]

And from the other extreme...
[/quote]

Common sense is never an "extreme".

But let's not all fall out. I love your country. Just not your President.

[quote name='Tarl_Cabot' post='726465' date='13 April 2007 - 18:46']I didn't see The Passion but I heard it was akin to a two hr torure p

[Zorin Industries]

"One of the biggest reasons Casino Royale earned a R-13 score is because of the long sequence of repeated views of full male nudity . . .

Did the author of this report get CASINO ROYALE mixed up with LOVE IS THE DEVIL: STUDY FOR A PORTRAIT OF FRANCIS BACON?

Exactly! There are NO scenes of "repeated full male nudity"! It is the suggestion of it, that's all. It shows where the minds of the people who compiled this report actually are - and it's a typically prurient, 19th Century view of sexuality, human biology and relationships. And none of that has any place in MY 21st Century I can assure you.

But - like Bond films - each to his own.

[Roebuck]

It is pathetic. People bring religion into everything, and now into a film that is made with no other intention that to be enjoyed for two hours or more.

Doesn't EON managing to produce a good Bond film qualify as some kind of miracle then?
(I was going to stick in a resurrection gag here, but it probably wouldn't go down well.)

[Santa]

Oh dear. What do these people have against nudity as a concept, exactly? Were we not all born naked, as God made us (ahem)? Do thirteen year old children not already know what they have underneath their clothes? To put it another way, I married someone who comes from a culture that leave their underwear on when they wash. Even when they're alone. The problems this kind of repression has caused in that society are far graver than any perceived depravity in my own.

[Roebuck]

The problems this kind of repression has caused in that society are far graver than any perceived depravity in my own.

The Old Testament doesn't factor hugely in my personal faith, but it's interesting that in the Genesis version of events things start to go wrong when Adam and Eve learn to be ashamed of themselves. Keeping in mind that it's only a parable, the writers of the creation story seem to have appreciated that repression was the real evil.

[Kiss Kiss Bang Bang]

This website might be more what you're looking for:
http://www.screenit.com/index1.html

http://www.screenit....ino_royale.html
Right, right, right The review is both just and not without mild autoirony ("Le Chiffre, Dimitrios, and all of the villains obviously have bad attitudes (particularly Le Chiffre who's funding terrorists)." ) It has distance which the previous review simply lacks.

Edited by Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, 14 April 2007 - 11:19 AM.

[quiller]

good lord!!

[rogermoore007]

[quote name='Zorin Industries' post='726811' date='14 April 2007 - 05:20'][quote name='doublenoughtspy' post='726458' date='13 April 2007 - 18:27'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='726435' date='13 April 2007 - 12:16']And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

There is an old phrase "you get the society you deserve". Would our more intelligent American cousins please remember this when voting next year?[/quote]

Zorin - take your Bush and America bashing somewhere else please.
[/quote]

I am not bashing America by any stretch. Though, whichever way you look at it, the current President has shamed your good country in the world arena in a corporate-influenced style that is not only shameful and demeans ALL Americans, it has de-stabilised world peace, diminished human rights, used "God" as a battering ram and pillaged any notion of "democracy" the USA once celebrated.

Unlike your current President, I can go on.

However, such debates are not for this website. I want my megalomaniacs to stroke white cats, not the palms of big business.

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='726442' date='13 April 2007 - 17:26'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='726435' date='13 April 2007 - 11:16']And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

There is an old phrase "you get the society you deserve". Would our more intelligent American cousins please remember this when voting next year?[/quote]

And from the other extreme...
[/quote]

Common sense is never an "extreme".

But let's not all fall out. I love your country. Just not your President.

[quote name='Tarl_Cabot' post='726465' date='13 April 2007 - 18:46']I didn't see The Passion but I heard it was akin to a two hr torure p

[Sigma7]

I see my post has been deleted, that aint proffesional hahahahhaha

[Jackanaples]

A couple points:

1. Who would want to see a James Bond movie that website did give a good review to?

2. The United States is the most powerful country in the world right now, and has been for over fifty years. In a very real sense, the President of the United States can effect the lives of all six billion people on the planet.

Insofar as the above is true (and it most definitely IS true) I'd say that anyone on Earth has the right to criticize our President and his policies. Doing so does not automatically equate "Bush-bashing" or "America-hating." This seems only fair, as his policies could have a negative effect on their lives and they certainly can't employ the option of voting him out of office.

Remember, someday China might be the most powerful nation in the world and we might want complaining rights then too.

3. When someone does criticize the President or U.S. foreign policy, I think the best possible response is Voltaire's, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." This Enlightenment-era idea is exactly the kind of thing the United States was based on, the kind the Founding Fathers sought to enshrine in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

Speaking as an American, I personally find George W. Bush a deeply troubling figure to say the least.