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#181 dee-bee-five

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 04:13 PM

http://www.capalert....asinoroyale.htm

Draw your own conclusions. I have drawn mine.


I should prefer to draw my gun and put the pillock out of our misery...

What utter Tommy rot. I didn't see any pubic hair. And, by God, I looked...


I have somewhat accidentally offended a few American Bond fans on this thread


Ah, but you're English and Godless (the two usually go together). If I believed in God, I'd thank Her for giving me the kind of mind that doesn't require me to go down on bended knees in front of two pieces of wood set at right angles to assuage whatever supposed "sin" I'm supposed to have committed.

And Bush is, indeed, the anti-Christ if one believes in such things.

Edited by dee-bee-five, 16 April 2007 - 04:17 PM.


#182 Atomic Agent

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 04:52 PM

I am a Christian. I believe in God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. And I also like CR. No matter what, there will always be those individuals who make everyone look bad. Whoever wrote this review probably also takes verses from the Bible out of context (like he took instances from the film) to make HIS OWN point. To each his own, but you've got to take everything into consideration. The Bible is filled with violent stories, and torture, etc. It's good vs. evil. Yeah, Bond got his gonads beaten, but that shows you JUST HOW BAD the bad guy is!

Pay no mind. Someone will always point fingers.

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#183 Roebuck

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 07:25 PM

If I believed in God, I'd thank Her for giving me the kind of mind that doesn't require me to go down on bended knees in front of two pieces of wood set at right angles to assuage whatever supposed "sin" I'm supposed to have committed.


You have a sadly misguided notion of what the cross means to Christians. It represents the burden of sin being lifted, so there is nothing to be ''assuaged''. (Nice word BTW. Must drop it into casual conversation first opportunity.)

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:49 PM

Thank the gods, I'm none of the above

#185 Roebuck

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:57 PM

Thank the gods, I'm none of the above


I'm at a complete loss as to what you think you're trying to say.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:42 PM

Thank the gods, I'm none of the above


No idea what you're reffering to here either, I'm afraid.

Seems this thread is pretty much done and dusted, folks. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. :cooltongue:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 03:50 PM

What ? Xtian ? Never heard about it. You mean the triple bald guy who took he could outpower me at the box office ?
You bet I am anti god. Just give me caviar, champagne, and a woman for the night !
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#188 Roebuck

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 07:44 PM

Seems this thread is pretty much done and dusted, folks. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. :cooltongue:


Agreed. I'm glad it managed to stay good natured and there's been a couple of PDG posts, but it's running on empty now.
Just to wrap up, it was nice to see an article this week showing believers in a more positive light than ''Jesus Camp''.

By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff | April 16, 2007

WENHAM -- Breaking with many fellow conservative Christian schools, Gordon College in Wenham will welcome to campus this week a busload of young adults who are sharply critical of the school's policies on homosexuality.

The gay-rights activists have repeatedly been arrested and barred from the campuses of other Christian colleges this year as they travel the country in their effort to call attention to what they view as discriminatory policies and hostile climates on evangelical campuses.

But officials at Gordon, where homosexual activity is barred by campus policy, have agreed to host the group for a series of presentations and conversations, saying they believe it will be good for students to hear a variety of views. The college has held three lectures about homosexuality and morality, the Bible, and science, and is highlighting the visit on its website.

"We present lots of ideas in the classroom that we don't agree with -- that's part of education," said Barry J. Loy , the dean of students. "I'm hopeful that they will come here to learn, and we will do the same. We're not keeping our students from them."

Loy e-mailed the entire Gordon campus about the visit, declaring that, "Gordon College affirms the historic, orthodox Christian position that homosexual practice is incompatible with the teaching of Scripture. However, the college plans to provide a gracious welcome to our Equality Ride visitors and views this occasion as an important educational opportunity."

Loy said he has not received a single complaint from a student or parent about the college's intention to welcome the activists.

The bus tour of Christian colleges is being organized, for the second year, by Soulforce , a gay-rights organization that advocates nonviolent resistance against "spiritual violence," which it defines as "the misuse of religion to sanction the condemnation and rejection of any of God's children."

There are two buses traveling the country now. The bus heading to New England has 25 riders, most of them in their 20s. The group has been greeted largely with hostility, and riders have been arrested on nine campuses when they have attempted to enter. They have been welcomed only at four campuses prior to the Gordon visit.

"I'm hoping that we'll be able to open some hearts and minds over at Gordon while we talk with students," said Kyle DeVries , a spokesman for the riders. "One of our main goals is to put a human face to an often abstract issue, and to share our own spiritual experiences and faith with students while they share theirs with us."

Gordon, with 1,500 students, was founded in 1889 in a Boston church basement as a missionary training school; it grew into a full-fledged college, with some graduate departments, and moved to the North Shore in 1955. All applicants to Gordon College are asked to sign a statement agreeing to "recognize the Bible to be the Word of God and hence fully authoritative in matters of faith and conduct."

Specifically, the statement says, "those acts which are expressly forbidden in Scripture, including fornication, homosexuality, adultery, drunkenness, theft, profanity, and dishonesty, will not be practiced by members of the Gordon community, either on or off campus."

Loy said he can recall only one instance of a controversy over homosexuality on the Gordon campus, and that was some years ago when a group of students wanted to form an advocacy group to support gays and lesbians and the student government did not approve of the organization. But he said the college knows that there are "students who have same-sex attraction" on campus, and that the college attempts to be supportive through its counseling center.

At Gordon, the college invited the riders to a worship service last night and plans to hold a dinner tonight for the visitors with faculty, administrators, and students. Later tonight, there will be a presentation in the college chapel featuring the riders, with a response from a college administrator. The riders will attend classes tomorrow, talk informally with students, and give another presentation.

Stan Gaede , a scholar-in-residence and senior adviser to the president, will deliver the response to the Soulforce riders.

"This is a place that takes education very seriously," he said. "Because we are a Christian community, we are interested in learning more and more about what it is we say we believe."

The event has received wide attention on campus, and students interviewed said they are hopeful about the visit.

"I'm really looking forward to it. I think they're going to bring a conversation to our campus that is going to be a good one to have with our student body," said John Stoeckle , 22, the executive president of the student association. "I don't believe in a fortress-like approach to life."

Stoeckle said that he supports Gordon's policy against homosexual conduct, but that "I find myself growing and realizing that the world is also a very complicated place, and we're often not really very good at loving people. We let beliefs become abstractions, and not people. And we have students at Gordon who are homosexual and really struggle with being here."

Ryan Stadt , 20, a sophomore philosophy major from Augusta, Mich., said by e-mail, "It seems like the wiser option to welcome the equality riders onto campus, first because they would have picketed the school anyway, but secondly, and more importantly, because we as an institution seek to honestly pursue both intellectual and spiritual questions. A teacher in high school once told me, 'An untested opinion is not worth having.' . . . So, what do I hope to get from our Soulforce visitors? A worthwhile, tested opinion."

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 12:55 AM

Wow!!!:cooltongue:

It's so different to Britain, where hardly anyone goes to church anymore. More people watch football (soccer) on TV than go to church on Sundays in England.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:52 AM

...and now a welcome break, with a sketch about missile launching ants.

(On the underneath of the bed is a presenter on a chair. The underneath of the bed also consists of a flat as for current affairs-type programme, with 'Probe' written above narrator.)
Presenter: Many people in this country are becoming increasingly worried about bull-fighting. They say it's not only cruel, vicious and immoral, but also blatantly unfair. The bull is heavy, violent, abusive and aggressive with four legs and great sharp teeth, whereas the bull-fighter is only a small, greasy Spaniard. Given this basic inequality what can be done to make bull-fighting safer? We asked Brigadier Arthur Farquar-Smith, Chairman of the British Well-Basically Club.

(Cut to a brigadier.)

Brigadier: Well, basically it's quite apparent that these little dago chappies have got it all wrong. They prance round the bull like a lot of bally night club dancers looking like the Younger Generation or a less smooth version of the Lionel Blair Troupe, (getting rather camp) with much of the staccato rhythms of the Irving Davies Dancers at the height of their success. In recent years Pan's People have often recaptured a lyricism ... (a huge hammer strikes him on the head; he becomes butch again) and what we must do now is to use devices like radar to locate the bull and SAM missiles fired from underground silos, to knock the bull over. Then I would send in Scottish boys with air cover to provide a diversion for the bull, whilst the navy came in round the back and finished him off. That to me would be bull-fighting and not this pansy kind of lyrical, (getting camp) evocative movement which George Balanchine and Martha Graham in the States and our very own Sadler's Wells ... (the hammer strikes him on the head again) Troops could also be used in an auxiliary role in international chess, where... (the lights go off) What? ... oh...

Badger: (voice over) I'll put the lights on again for a pound.


Please feel free to delete this post if it's felt that ants have had a bad deal here.

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#191 marktmurphy

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 12:16 PM

I will defend Christianity in a thread that bashes it.



Go on then. So far you've just said how those following other religions are worse. Which is an utterly different thing.

Where did I say that the other religions were worse or that Christianity was better?



Erm... in all of your previous posts in this thread. I'd quote them back at you, but there's no point as it's so obvious. Read them. The whole 911 thing? No?

How is the fact that there are 80 million Evangelical Christians "the problem in my back garden?"


I don't know how to make it clearer- you're saying Christianity isn't as bad as some other religions, which doesn't excuse the fact that it can be bad. I can't really make it much clearer.


Sir, the fact that there are various cultic groups out there professing a form of Christianity does not mean that the main stream Christians embrace it. I am a fundamental Christian. Which means I believe in the Holy Scriptures. It does not mean that I pick up snakes and dance around a pulpit like an idiot. But, let us look at Christianity vs Islam and you will see the difference.

First, Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead according to the New Testament. No other religion in the entire world has ever had an innocent man put to death and not confess that he was wrong in his teaching than Jesus. The Gospels have three women visiting the tomb to prepare the body of Jesus after the Sabbath. The women were the first to witness the body was not in the tomb and the angel, who told them Jesus had risen. They then raced back to tell the disciples what they saw which is a unique part of the telling of this story since women did not have a voice in Jewish society at that time, yet the women were given the honor of first witnessing the resurrection in the writings. There is nothing in the Koran that places women in a positive light other than as childbearer.

Second, in Islam, Muhammad did not die for our sins but took a 10 year old girl as his wife and wrote that if any person does not accept Islam, they are to be put to death. This is according to the Koran. There is nothing in the New Testament that says people are to be put to death if they do not except Christianity. Unfortunately, the Crusades became Christianity's darkest moments in history with massive murders all through the Middle East. But to defend that time, the average Christian did not know the scriptures since the Bible had yet to be translated into other languages during the Reformation. One had to know Latin or be able to read the original Greek text in order to understand the scriptures. Mostly wealthy or powerful religious figures kept the truth from the people and controlled kingdoms in the process. Thus the control of the Middle East.

Islam is suffering in the same way and that is bacause many followers have never read the Koran. They have been preached to, but they have never read it. I have a close friend who was born in Egypt and was raised a Muslim. He converted to Christianity 20 years ago. He told me once when I wanted to know what Islam was all about, "I hope 9-11 reveals the truth behind Islam and the violent nature it plans to unleash on the world." That comment left a chill up my spine.

Please understand that I'm not trying to convert anyone here to my faith. But do take note that saying Evangelical Christians will brainwash everyone is just insane. "Jesus Camp" is just a movie and who is to say if that documentary was edited with a fair and balance attitude to the audience. The visual medium is very powerful and some of us who work in it know that very well.


Goodenss; what a disgusting and hate-filled post. I can understand wishing to defend your own faith, but to claim another one is evil in such unpleasant terms is repulsive. Entirely un-Christian, actually: surely you're supposed to love thy neighbor as thyself? And to blame it for 911... you have a lot to learn.

I'm sure I could list any number of awful things which I know to be in the Bible (views on homosexuals, anyone?), but I wouldn't wish to. And I've never heard that the Qur'an tells to put to death those who don't believe in their God: sounds like utter nonsense to me. A bit like being condemned to Hell if you don't believe in a Christian God.

#192 Zorin Industries

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 01:05 PM

Seems this thread is pretty much done and dusted, folks. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. :cooltongue:


Agreed. I'm glad it managed to stay good natured and there's been a couple of PDG posts, but it's running on empty now.
Just to wrap up, it was nice to see an article this week showing believers in a more positive light than ''Jesus Camp''.

By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff | April 16, 2007

WENHAM -- Breaking with many fellow conservative Christian schools, Gordon College in Wenham will welcome to campus this week a busload of young adults who are sharply critical of the school's policies on homosexuality.

The gay-rights activists have repeatedly been arrested and barred from the campuses of other Christian colleges this year as they travel the country in their effort to call attention to what they view as discriminatory policies and hostile climates on evangelical campuses.

But officials at Gordon, where homosexual activity is barred by campus policy, have agreed to host the group for a series of presentations and conversations, saying they believe it will be good for students to hear a variety of views. The college has held three lectures about homosexuality and morality, the Bible, and science, and is highlighting the visit on its website.

"We present lots of ideas in the classroom that we don't agree with -- that's part of education," said Barry J. Loy , the dean of students. "I'm hopeful that they will come here to learn, and we will do the same. We're not keeping our students from them."

Loy e-mailed the entire Gordon campus about the visit, declaring that, "Gordon College affirms the historic, orthodox Christian position that homosexual practice is incompatible with the teaching of Scripture. However, the college plans to provide a gracious welcome to our Equality Ride visitors and views this occasion as an important educational opportunity."

Loy said he has not received a single complaint from a student or parent about the college's intention to welcome the activists.

The bus tour of Christian colleges is being organized, for the second year, by Soulforce , a gay-rights organization that advocates nonviolent resistance against "spiritual violence," which it defines as "the misuse of religion to sanction the condemnation and rejection of any of God's children."

There are two buses traveling the country now. The bus heading to New England has 25 riders, most of them in their 20s. The group has been greeted largely with hostility, and riders have been arrested on nine campuses when they have attempted to enter. They have been welcomed only at four campuses prior to the Gordon visit.

"I'm hoping that we'll be able to open some hearts and minds over at Gordon while we talk with students," said Kyle DeVries , a spokesman for the riders. "One of our main goals is to put a human face to an often abstract issue, and to share our own spiritual experiences and faith with students while they share theirs with us."

Gordon, with 1,500 students, was founded in 1889 in a Boston church basement as a missionary training school; it grew into a full-fledged college, with some graduate departments, and moved to the North Shore in 1955. All applicants to Gordon College are asked to sign a statement agreeing to "recognize the Bible to be the Word of God and hence fully authoritative in matters of faith and conduct."

Specifically, the statement says, "those acts which are expressly forbidden in Scripture, including fornication, homosexuality, adultery, drunkenness, theft, profanity, and dishonesty, will not be practiced by members of the Gordon community, either on or off campus."

Loy said he can recall only one instance of a controversy over homosexuality on the Gordon campus, and that was some years ago when a group of students wanted to form an advocacy group to support gays and lesbians and the student government did not approve of the organization. But he said the college knows that there are "students who have same-sex attraction" on campus, and that the college attempts to be supportive through its counseling center.

At Gordon, the college invited the riders to a worship service last night and plans to hold a dinner tonight for the visitors with faculty, administrators, and students. Later tonight, there will be a presentation in the college chapel featuring the riders, with a response from a college administrator. The riders will attend classes tomorrow, talk informally with students, and give another presentation.

Stan Gaede , a scholar-in-residence and senior adviser to the president, will deliver the response to the Soulforce riders.

"This is a place that takes education very seriously," he said. "Because we are a Christian community, we are interested in learning more and more about what it is we say we believe."

The event has received wide attention on campus, and students interviewed said they are hopeful about the visit.

"I'm really looking forward to it. I think they're going to bring a conversation to our campus that is going to be a good one to have with our student body," said John Stoeckle , 22, the executive president of the student association. "I don't believe in a fortress-like approach to life."

Stoeckle said that he supports Gordon's policy against homosexual conduct, but that "I find myself growing and realizing that the world is also a very complicated place, and we're often not really very good at loving people. We let beliefs become abstractions, and not people. And we have students at Gordon who are homosexual and really struggle with being here."

Ryan Stadt , 20, a sophomore philosophy major from Augusta, Mich., said by e-mail, "It seems like the wiser option to welcome the equality riders onto campus, first because they would have picketed the school anyway, but secondly, and more importantly, because we as an institution seek to honestly pursue both intellectual and spiritual questions. A teacher in high school once told me, 'An untested opinion is not worth having.' . . . So, what do I hope to get from our Soulforce visitors? A worthwhile, tested opinion."

http://forums.millar...showtopic=69811


There is hope then...

Although I don't know why this 'Jesus' chap is so allegedly against homosexuality. Methinks the prophet doth protest too much (!). Although to be fair to the character, he was never homophobic. It's just been those since who use the Bible for their own repressive purposes.

Another Biblical phrase goes something along the lines of 'those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. Look at the way Jesus himself is interpreted.... A single man, no children, hung out with a bunch of men on a regular basis, very close to his mother..... in most cities that's tantamount to driving the bus on the Gay Pride march!

Give that prophet a whistle!

Edited by Zorin Industries, 19 April 2007 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2007 - 03:01 PM

Another Biblical phrase goes something along the lines of 'those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. Look at the way Jesus himself is interpreted.... A single man, no children, hung out with a bunch of men on a regular basis, very close to his mother..... in most cities that's tantamount to driving the bus on the Gay Pride march!

Give that prophet a whistle!


Also, he wore a dress.

#194 Roebuck

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:16 PM

Although to be fair to the character, he was never homophobic. It's just been those since who use the Bible for their own repressive purposes.


Pretty much my own view. The extracts from the Bible commonly used to condone homophobia are Old Testament passages (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians, 6:9, Jude 7) rather than from the Gospels. I don't see any reason people professing to be Christians should want to embrace old bigotries that were antagonistic to his teachings.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:19 PM

Although to be fair to the character, he was never homophobic. It's just been those since who use the Bible for their own repressive purposes.


Pretty much my own view.The extracts from the Bible commonly used to condone homophobia are Old Testament passages (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians, 6:9, Jude 7) rather than from the Gospels. I don't see any reason people professing to be Christians should want to embrace old bigotries that were antagonistic to his teachings.


Thank you Roebuck. Although you quoted them all too quickly!! I say that with love.

;o)

Isn't it a shame that a collection of once useful teachings were hijacked by folk in the annuls of time to reach their own means.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:20 PM

Although to be fair to the character, he was never homophobic. It's just been those since who use the Bible for their own repressive purposes.


Pretty much my own view. The extracts from the Bible commonly used to condone homophobia are Old Testament passages (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians, 6:9, Jude 7) rather than from the Gospels. I don't see any reason people professing to be Christians should want to embrace old bigotries that were antagonistic to his teachings.


Are you suggesting that He did not ejaculate over homosexuals?

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:22 PM

Also, he wore a dress.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:37 PM

Although to be fair to the character, he was never homophobic. It's just been those since who use the Bible for their own repressive purposes.


Pretty much my own view. The extracts from the Bible commonly used to condone homophobia are Old Testament passages (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians, 6:9, Jude 7) rather than from the Gospels. I don't see any reason people professing to be Christians should want to embrace old bigotries that were antagonistic to his teachings.

Just popping in to point out that you referenced quite a few books from the New Testament in there, Roebuck.

In my viewpoint, there is reason for a practicing Christian to view homosexuality as not being of the Divine Plan. But in ANY case, to those who are reaching for that first stone to cast in the name of God, there's a great passage in the Bible I'd like to refer them to first.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:39 PM

Although to be fair to the character, he was never homophobic. It's just been those since who use the Bible for their own repressive purposes.


Pretty much my own view. The extracts from the Bible commonly used to condone homophobia are Old Testament passages (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians, 6:9, Jude 7) rather than from the Gospels. I don't see any reason people professing to be Christians should want to embrace old bigotries that were antagonistic to his teachings.


Are you suggesting that He did not ejaculate over homosexuals?


''Ejaculation - A sudden, short exclamation, especially a brief, pious utterance or prayer." (American Heritage Dictionary)

Nice one. :cooltongue:

#200 Roebuck

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:44 PM

Just popping in to point out that you referenced quite a few books from the New Testament in there, Roebuck.


Thanks. I'd done a cut and paste without due care and attention.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 08:58 PM

In my viewpoint, there is reason for a practicing Christian to view homosexuality as not being of the Divine Plan. But in ANY case, to those who are reaching for that first stone to cast in the name of God, there's a great passage in the Bible I'd like to refer them to first.

Precisely.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 08:39 AM

Any movie based on the Book of Judges for example would be banned outright in most countries, let alone prevent adolescents from watching. In none of the movies has Bond ever cut off anyone's foreskin to create a collection edifying to the Lord as David had to in Kings.
At least living in backward fascist China I'm not rammed 2500+ year fairytales down my throat everytime I pick up a newspaper or listen to a politician.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 09:04 AM

"sucking on fingers to arouse"

clearly the opinion of someone with a deplorable sensitivity and lack of insight - an unfortunate side effect of the mentality required to write such a narrow-minded, indulgent article.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 09:22 AM

[quote name='shady ginzo' post='734791' date='3 May 2007 - 10:04']"sucking on fingers to arouse"

clearly the opinion of someone with a deplorable sensitivity and lack of insight - an unfortunate side effect of the mentality required to write such a narrow-minded, indulgent article.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 10:19 AM

their obsessings about sex merely betray where their real thoughts are - and it isn't in the pages of the Bible.


spot on

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 11:43 AM

How very odd!

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 03:30 PM

I don't know why anyone's still surprised at this, when there are Christian websites devoted to demonizing certain editions of the Bible itself. I wish I were making this up.

I guess it's still amusing, but it's also getting a bit old.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 06:30 PM

People ought to try to distinguish between what the spirit of Jesus' teachings were all about and the hate mongers who preach intollerance in the good name of God.

The hate mongers are a Godless breed no matter what religious denomination they belong to and their rantings go against what God intended and what Jesus taught.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 03 May 2007 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2007 - 06:42 PM

Casino Royale is not just anti-God, but is the anti-God. That is, I believe a copy of CR on a mini-disc is what was in the "Rabbit's Foot" cannister that Ethan Hunt and the villains were after in Mission: Impossible III.

At least that's what comes to mind every time I see this thread title. :cooltongue: