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#31 marktmurphy

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:16 PM

You should be. we all should be. 80 million people in America are Evangelical Christians. There's already enough of them to sway your elections.


All you have to do is look at the headlines and see how other religions are so "normal", so tolerant.

Islamic militants killing hundreds a day in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Hindus clamoring to put Liz Hurley in jail because, gasp!, she sat on a couch instead of on the floor by the "sacred fire."


Well that's a lovely bit of racism there, but saying that someone has burnt more dinners than you doesn't make you any less of a bad cook when you burn some toast, does it?

#32 doublenoughtspy

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:21 PM

Well that's a lovely bit of racism there, but saying that someone has burnt more dinners than you doesn't make you any less of a bad cook when you burn some toast, does it?


I am not saying that extremism in any religion is a good thing. I'm just a little surprised so many are jumping on the Anti-Christianity bandwagon and warning people about how crazy Christians can be when other religions are just as demonstrative of their extremism.

Zencat's comments sum it up best I think.

#33 WhiteKnight2000

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:24 PM

You should be. we all should be. 80 million people in America are Evangelical Christians. There's already enough of them to sway your elections.


All you have to do is look at the headlines and see how other religions are so "normal", so tolerant.

Islamic militants killing hundreds a day in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Hindus clamoring to put Liz Hurley in jail because, gasp!, she sat on a couch instead of on the floor by the "sacred fire."


I'm not quite sure what you're trying to do. I'm not singling out Evangelical Christians as the nuttiest religion on the planet, but seriously, Their numbers are growing and Bond has no place in their religion.

#34 marktmurphy

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:28 PM

Well that's a lovely bit of racism there, but saying that someone has burnt more dinners than you doesn't make you any less of a bad cook when you burn some toast, does it?


I am not saying that extremism in any religion is a good thing. I'm just a little surprised so many are jumping on the Anti-Christianity bandwagon and warning people about how crazy Christians can be when other religions are just as demonstrative of their extremism.

Zencat's comments sum it up best I think.



No; I think you're actually saying 'Christianity may be a bit naughty sometimes but look at those awful people in the desert- they're much worse! (Or at least Fox News tells me they are)' as if that makes Christian extremism okay. When they're two completely different issues; sort out your own back garden before you start peering over the fence and worrying about theirs.

#35 WhiteKnight2000

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:34 PM

We're not talking about normal Christians here, we're talking about the extremists.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:36 PM

No; I think you're actually saying 'Christianity may be a bit naughty sometimes but look at those awful people in the desert- they're much worse! (Or at least Fox News tells me they are)' as if that makes Christian extremism okay. When they're two completely different issues; sort out your own back garden before you start peering over the fence and worrying about theirs.


MTM, you are a mind reader now? You speak for me now? You decree what I watch? What I think?

I will defend Christianity in a thread that bashes it.

Where did I say that the other religions were worse or that Christianity was better?

How is the fact that there are 80 million Evangelical Christians "the problem in my back garden?"

If there are that many, there are that many. There is no "swaying" of an election - we're a representative democracy.

#37 TheREAL008

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:47 PM

Can the mods please close this thread before someone seriously steps out of line and says the wrong thing to another forum member?

#38 Harmsway

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 09:00 PM

Gotta love Christian fundamentalists. :angry:

Seriously, though, this site is more of an oddity than anything else. You can find any sort of wacko on the web of any religion, and you have to be careful not to paint all its followers with the label of the real extremists (and, no, there is not some scary army of Christians in America intent on putting every non-Christian in some "conversion camp" :cooltongue: ).

Christians seemed to have responded to CASINO ROYALE okay, on the whole. The *very* conservative CHRISTIANANSWERS.NET gave it 5/5 stars, and the film garnered a sea of positive user reviews. CHRISTIANITY TODAY (a huge Christian publication) loved the film, giving it 3.5/4 stars, and lauded the added complexity of the Bond character:

"Like 24's Jack Bauer, these traits in Bond aren't portrayed as either good or bad. In fact, like in many films and TV shows right now, Casino carries a sense that the world just isn't black-or-white anymore. There's a lot of gray area. Good guys have dark spots and we're never really sure who the real bad guys are. The movie capitalizes on this with the realistic tension that Bonds' arrogance and emotional detachment are both curses and attributes in his line of work. His arrogance costs him a lot but it also propels him to success. His emotional detachment is necessary, Bond says, because if he couldn't just move on after killing, 'I wouldn't be very good at my job.' At the same time, this moral flexibility is slowly killing his soul and removing any piece of the real him that's still alive.

[...]

And as the film ends, the internal wrestling is over. Bond's vulnerable spots are covered up. And he suddenly and assuredly becomes the Bond we all know. Really, he was this guy from the very first minute of the pre-credit sequence

#39 Roebuck

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 09:03 PM

Watch the film 'Jesus Camp'. It's an eye opener, and scary.

If they take over it will be the end of Bond, the end of Harry Potter, basically the end of anything that isn't about how great Jesus is.


The man has a point. That is a disturbing movie.


Indeed it is. It bewilders me that people can hold such hateful, narrow-minded opinions and still profess to guided by the teachings of Jesus.

But like WhiteKnight2000 also pointed out, ''We're not talking about normal Christians here, we're talking about the extremists''.

#40 Agent 0015

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 09:16 PM

I like religion and entertainment. But could they please do not mix it together! (R-13.... :cooltongue:)

#41 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 09:21 PM

[quote name='Harmsway' post='726546' date='13 April 2007 - 16:00']Gotta love Christian fundamentalists. :angry:

Seriously, though, this site is more of an oddity than anything else. You can find any sort of wacko on the web of any religion, and you have to be careful not to paint all its followers with the label of the real extremists (and, no, there is not some scary army of Christians in America intent on putting every non-Christian in some "conversion camp" :cooltongue: ).

Christians seemed to have responded to CASINO ROYALE okay, on the whole. The *very* conservative CHRISTIANANSWERS.NET gave it 5/5 stars, and the film garnered a sea of positive user reviews. CHRISTIANITY TODAY (a huge Christian publication) loved the film, giving it 3.5/4 stars, and lauded the added complexity of the Bond character:

"Like 24's Jack Bauer, these traits in Bond aren't portrayed as either good or bad. In fact, like in many films and TV shows right now, Casino carries a sense that the world just isn't black-or-white anymore. There's a lot of gray area. Good guys have dark spots and we're never really sure who the real bad guys are. The movie capitalizes on this with the realistic tension that Bonds' arrogance and emotional detachment are both curses and attributes in his line of work. His arrogance costs him a lot but it also propels him to success. His emotional detachment is necessary, Bond says, because if he couldn't just move on after killing, 'I wouldn't be very good at my job.' At the same time, this moral flexibility is slowly killing his soul and removing any piece of the real him that's still alive.

[...]

And as the film ends, the internal wrestling is over. Bond's vulnerable spots are covered up. And he suddenly and assuredly becomes the Bond we all know. Really, he was this guy from the very first minute of the pre-credit sequence

#42 LadySylvia

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 09:21 PM

"One of the biggest reasons Casino Royale earned a R-13 score is because of the long sequence of repeated views of full male nudity . . .



Did the author of this report get CASINO ROYALE mixed up with LOVE IS THE DEVIL: STUDY FOR A PORTRAIT OF FRANCIS BACON?

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 09:59 PM

(and, no, there is not some scary army of Christians in America intent on putting every non-Christian in some "conversion camp" :cooltongue: ).


Watch Jesus Camp and you'll see it in action.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 10:05 PM

Religion has been changed to suit the "leaders" purposes/control of peoples over time, who knows what a true religion is anymore.

The world is f&*&ed thesedays and if it carries on, ppl on earth will write themselves off before the day of reckoning Hahhahahah ( arent i just a little ray of sunshine ????)

#45 bill007

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 10:43 PM

Can the mods please close this thread before someone seriously steps out of line and says the wrong thing to another forum member?

Not just yet, please......

And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

There is an old phrase "you get the society you deserve". Would our more intelligent American cousins please remember this when voting next year?

I would have thought that the mods would have closed this thread at this completely out-of-place post, so perhaps I will be allowed the same tolerance for retort:

Zorin, you certainly have the right to deficate your Bush-bashing wherever you please. But, who are you, as a Brit living in the U.K., to think you have any right to suggest how we Americans should vote? You can take your "intelligent American cousins" line and stick it up your nostrils, as that's all we can see with your nose stuck so high up in the air.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 10:47 PM

"One of the biggest reasons Casino Royale earned a R-13 score is because of the long sequence of repeated views of full male nudity plus the repeated brutalization of his genitals. Though the genitals of the actor (Craig) remain unseen the rest of him is fully visible, pubic hair included."

That line has me in stiches. Now I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't see any pubic hair when Bond was gettinf tortured.


That is because he is the only one who raised the brightness on his TV.

But seriously folks, I am a devout Christian and I understand where some people are going to get upset with the violence in this film. But to be totally honest, I don't go to Bond films for a sermon. I go for the rollercoaster ride that is pure escapism.

Bond films have always had a foot in adult entertainment and to have a religious website rate the film for families who cannot figure out that a PG-13 film is not for kids under 13 seems pathetic.

The Holy Bible is filled with all sorts of violence that would make Casino Royale look tame in comparison. Just read the book of Judges and you can see how ruthless people were back then.

Finally, to Zorin Industries comment. The topic was about a religious review, not about George W. Bush. Insulting those who voted for President Bush is not going to win you any friends. Be more considerate next time.

#47 marktmurphy

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 10:49 PM

I will defend Christianity in a thread that bashes it.



Go on then. So far you've just said how those following other religions are worse. Which is an utterly different thing.

Where did I say that the other religions were worse or that Christianity was better?



Erm... in all of your previous posts in this thread. I'd quote them back at you, but there's no point as it's so obvious. Read them. The whole 911 thing? No?

How is the fact that there are 80 million Evangelical Christians "the problem in my back garden?"


I don't know how to make it clearer- you're saying Christianity isn't as bad as some other religions, which doesn't excuse the fact that it can be bad. I can't really make it much clearer.

#48 Harmsway

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:10 PM

(and, no, there is not some scary army of Christians in America intent on putting every non-Christian in some "conversion camp" :cooltongue: ).

Watch Jesus Camp and you'll see it in action.

Saw it. It was a creepy film, but one really crazy church is far from being able to convince me that most of American Christianity is like that, or that there really is some great threat in our nation. Most of the very devout Christians I know were horrified that such a corruption of Christianity existed.

If anything, the USA is becoming increasingly secularized (we'll see it even more once the baby-boomer generation starts dying). Christian fundamentalism/extremism is going to continue to shrink until it dies.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:14 PM

Finally, to Zorin Industries comment. The topic was about a religious review, not about George W. Bush. Insulting those who voted for President Bush is not going to win you any friends. Be more considerate next time.


Well to be fair, George Bush is an Evangelical Christian.

In fact he's done a lot for the cause of Evangelical Christian-ism. To be clear, We're not talking about normal Christians like you or I might be, but an extreme faction. I'm sure you know of all GBs controversial views on certain aspects of life. These are the views of that religion. Evangelical Christians believe in the devil. Normal Christians do not believe in the devil.Evangelical Christians believe in witchcraft. They ban their children from reading Harry Potter because of this.

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.

Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 13 April 2007 - 11:21 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:17 PM

yea you could all just convert to catholicism, its much cooler, trust me :cooltongue:

Edited by rogermoore007, 13 April 2007 - 11:17 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:18 PM

Hindus clamoring to put Liz Hurley in jail because, gasp!, she sat on a couch instead of on the floor by the "sacred fire."

I'm sure we can all agree with that one, though.

And that's why George W Bush is still pushing us all towards WWIII. What does anyone expect when a war mongering, oil-fuelled dictator gets to rig two elections, one war and the international standing of a once great country?

To be fair, he only did it because God told him to.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:19 PM

Finally, to Zorin Industries comment. The topic was about a religious review, not about George W. Bush. Insulting those who voted for President Bush is not going to win you any friends. Be more considerate next time.


Well to be fair, George Bush is an Evangelical Christian.

In fact he's done a lot for the cause of Evangelical Christian-ism. To be clear, We're not talking about normal Christians like you or I might, but an extreme faction. I'm sure you know of all GBs controversial views on certain aspects of life. These are the views of that religion. Evangelical Christians believe in the devil. Normal Christians do not believe in the devil.

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.



Dude come on, I voted for bush, I'm not evangelical, I believe that Satan exists, I'm catholic. Stop talkin about stuff ya don't know about

#53 Harmsway

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:19 PM

Well to be fair, George Bush is an Evangelical Christian.

Allegedly. There are some in Bush's own organization who left and claimed that the Bush administration was more intent upon manipulating the Christian base than delivering on promises.

In fact he's done a lot for the cause of Evangelical Christian-ism.

Such as? As far as I know, he's done very little for them beyond the occaisional line in an address to the nation.

To be clear, We're not talking about normal Christians like you or I might, but an extreme faction.

Well, you have your terms mixed up. "Evangelical Christianity" is not extreme - in fact it's a term that's remarkably broad, and has no specificity in referring to groups within the Christian base. Fundamentalist Christianity is the correct term for the extreme factions.

Evangelical Christians believe in the devil. Normal Christians do not believe in the devil.

"Normal" Christians pretty widely believe in the devil. I mean, if they don't, they're pretty much Christians in name only, aren't they?

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.

Most Evangelical Christians I know don't like GW, and never really did. They only voted for him because they felt they had no better alternative.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:23 PM

Finally, to Zorin Industries comment. The topic was about a religious review, not about George W. Bush. Insulting those who voted for President Bush is not going to win you any friends. Be more considerate next time.


Well to be fair, George Bush is an Evangelical Christian.

In fact he's done a lot for the cause of Evangelical Christian-ism. To be clear, We're not talking about normal Christians like you or I might, but an extreme faction. I'm sure you know of all GBs controversial views on certain aspects of life. These are the views of that religion. Evangelical Christians believe in the devil. Normal Christians do not believe in the devil.

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.



Dude come on, I voted for bush, I'm not evangelical, I believe that Satan exists, I'm catholic. Stop talkin about stuff ya don't know about


I'm not saying you're an evengelical Christian. To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:24 PM

I'm not saying you're an evengelical Christian. To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did.

That's just silly. He was openly declaring his Christianity when he was running for President. How did you think he got the Christian vote? :cooltongue:

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:26 PM

I'm not saying you're an evengelical Christian. To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did.

That's just silly. He was openly declaring his Christianity when he was running for President. How did you think he got the Christian vote? :cooltongue:


Can we please acknowledge the difference between Christian and Evangelical Christian?

I have mentioned it. You do understand there is a difference??

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:26 PM

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.


WHOA!!! Hold up there. That's a bit farfetched to think that 80 Million people can tip the political scales when it's about 20% total population of the entire country.

I don't mean to insuut anyone here but come on.

I took a look at some clips of Jesus Camp from youtube and my skin crawled. I'm right at the verge of being completly pissed off to know that the children of this country are being molded into that kind of viewpoint. It's sick and the ringlady needs to be arrested and put in an asylum.

However, what I cannot believe is that the fundamentalists can hold THAT much power over an entire country. It's just not possible. AMerica was founded on the seperation of Church and State, It's beel witheld ever since 1776.

SO why now would any group of people want to break the barier?

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:28 PM

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.


WHOA!!! Hold up there. That's a bit farfetched to think that 80 Million people can tip the political scales when it's about 20% total population of the entire country.

I don't mean to insuut anyone here but come on.


It's 25% and it's growing very quickly.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:30 PM

I will defend Christianity in a thread that bashes it.



Go on then. So far you've just said how those following other religions are worse. Which is an utterly different thing.

Where did I say that the other religions were worse or that Christianity was better?



Erm... in all of your previous posts in this thread. I'd quote them back at you, but there's no point as it's so obvious. Read them. The whole 911 thing? No?

How is the fact that there are 80 million Evangelical Christians "the problem in my back garden?"


I don't know how to make it clearer- you're saying Christianity isn't as bad as some other religions, which doesn't excuse the fact that it can be bad. I can't really make it much clearer.


Sir, the fact that there are various cultic groups out there professing a form of Christianity does not mean that the main stream Christians embrace it. I am a fundamental Christian. Which means I believe in the Holy Scriptures. It does not mean that I pick up snakes and dance around a pulpit like an idiot. But, let us look at Christianity vs Islam and you will see the difference.

First, Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead according to the New Testament. No other religion in the entire world has ever had an innocent man put to death and not confess that he was wrong in his teaching than Jesus. The Gospels have three women visiting the tomb to prepare the body of Jesus after the Sabbath. The women were the first to witness the body was not in the tomb and the angel, who told them Jesus had risen. They then raced back to tell the disciples what they saw which is a unique part of the telling of this story since women did not have a voice in Jewish society at that time, yet the women were given the honor of first witnessing the resurrection in the writings. There is nothing in the Koran that places women in a positive light other than as childbearer.

Second, in Islam, Muhammad did not die for our sins but took a 10 year old girl as his wife and wrote that if any person does not accept Islam, they are to be put to death. This is according to the Koran. There is nothing in the New Testament that says people are to be put to death if they do not except Christianity. Unfortunately, the Crusades became Christianity's darkest moments in history with massive murders all through the Middle East. But to defend that time, the average Christian did not know the scriptures since the Bible had yet to be translated into other languages during the Reformation. One had to know Latin or be able to read the original Greek text in order to understand the scriptures. Mostly wealthy or powerful religious figures kept the truth from the people and controlled kingdoms in the process. Thus the control of the Middle East.

Islam is suffering in the same way and that is bacause many followers have never read the Koran. They have been preached to, but they have never read it. I have a close friend who was born in Egypt and was raised a Muslim. He converted to Christianity 20 years ago. He told me once when I wanted to know what Islam was all about, "I hope 9-11 reveals the truth behind Islam and the violent nature it plans to unleash on the world." That comment left a chill up my spine.

Please understand that I'm not trying to convert anyone here to my faith. But do take note that saying Evangelical Christians will brainwash everyone is just insane. "Jesus Camp" is just a movie and who is to say if that documentary was edited with a fair and balance attitude to the audience. The visual medium is very powerful and some of us who work in it know that very well.

Now, back to Bond.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:31 PM

I'm not saying you're an evengelical Christian. To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did.

That's just silly. He was openly declaring his Christianity when he was running for President. How did you think he got the Christian vote? :cooltongue:

Can we please acknowledge the difference between Christian and Evangelical Christian?

I have mentioned it. You do understand there is a difference??

No, I have mentioned the correct difference. Evangelical Christianity versus Fundamentalist Christianity.

Your definition of a "normal" Christian seems to mean somebody who takes whatever teachings the like from it, but ignores all the others. Seems like you're suggesting anyone who takes his religion seriously is automatically in the "Jesus Camp" territory. :angry:

It's 25% and it's growing very quickly.

Not really. Christianity is stagnating in the USA, and it's becoming quite clear to Christians across the board that it's the case.