208 replies to this topic

[TheREAL008]

80 Million Evangelical Christians have kept GB in power, and as their cause rises many more of them will elbow they're way into positions of authority in America.

WHOA!!! Hold up there. That's a bit farfetched to think that 80 Million people can tip the political scales when it's about 20% total population of the entire country.

I don't mean to insuut anyone here but come on.

It's 25% and it's growing very quickly.

Thank you. I stand corrected.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Normal Christians do not believe in the devil.

Hmm, I guess that the Devil believes in normal Christians then.

[WhiteKnight2000]

I'm not saying you're an evengelical Christian. To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did.

That's just silly. He was openly declaring his Christianity when he was running for President. How did you think he got the Christian vote?

Can we please acknowledge the difference between Christian and Evangelical Christian?

I have mentioned it. You do understand there is a difference??

No, I have mentioned the correct difference. Evangelical Christianity versus Fundamentalist Christianity.

Your definition of a "normal" Christian seems to mean somebody who takes whatever teachings the like from it, but ignores all the others. Seems like you're suggesting anyone who takes his religion seriously is automatically in the "Jesus Camp" territory.

It's 25% and it's growing very quickly.

Not really. Christianity is stagnating in the USA, and it's becoming quite clear to Christians across the board that it's the case.

Just watch the film, I'm not very religious myself but I pray you don't all sleepwalk into oblivion over in the good olde US of A.

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

[rogermoore007]

I'm not saying you're an evengelical Christian. To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did.

That's just silly. He was openly declaring his Christianity when he was running for President. How did you think he got the Christian vote?

Can we please acknowledge the difference between Christian and Evangelical Christian?

I have mentioned it. You do understand there is a difference??

No, I have mentioned the correct difference. Evangelical Christianity versus Fundamentalist Christianity.

Your definition of a "normal" Christian seems to mean somebody who takes whatever teachings the like from it, but ignores all the others. Seems like you're suggesting anyone who takes his religion seriously is automatically in the "Jesus Camp" territory.

It's 25% and it's growing very quickly.

Not really. Christianity is stagnating in the USA, and it's becoming quite clear to Christians across the board that it's the case.

Just watch the film, I'm not very religious myself but I pray you don't all sleepwalk into oblivion over in the good olde US of A.

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

Wait a tick....are you not even an American? Who the hell are you to talk then? And how can you make so many judgements based on one film? It's quite apparent that you know very little of what you speak.

[Harmsway]

Just watch the film, I'm not very religious myself but I pray you don't all sleepwalk into oblivion over in the good olde US of A.

If you read my post, I did. I've seen JESUS CAMP, and it's not at all indicative of Evangelical Christianity. And the filmmakers were just as biased as the people they were portraying, honestly.

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

If anyone is not aware, it may be you, my friend - it's you who didn't even know Bush was an Evangelical, and you're using a suspect documentary to do all your arguing for you.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

AMerica was founded on the seperation of Church and State, It's beel witheld ever since 1776.

First, the Constitution was not ratified in 1776. Also, the term separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution. This is where many people get history messed up.

The fore fathers of the United States basically said that no one religious institution will govern our country. In otherwords the Church of England was not going to tell our leaders how to govern. It does not mean that people of Jewish or Christian or Muslim or whatever religion does not have a voice in our government. Unlike many countries, our government is for the people and by the people, not one man or monarchy.

But also our government was founded on Christian Judeo beliefs. Our Constitution is part Magna Carta and Holy Bible.

[WhiteKnight2000]

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

If anyone is not aware, it may be you, my friend - it's you who didn't even know Bush was an Evangelical, and you're using a suspect documentary to do all your arguing for you.

Er, Yes I did know. I mentioned it in post 49. Please be more aware.

That's all I'm saying.

Just watch the film, I'm not very religious myself but I pray you don't all sleepwalk into oblivion over in the good olde US of A.

If you read my post, I did. I've seen JESUS CAMP, and it's not at all indicative of Evangelical Christianity. And the filmmakers were just as biased as the people they were portraying, honestly.

Well Evangelicals have said it was a fairly good account. What are you basing this opinion on? Are you a Evangelical yourself. Perhaps trying a bit of damage limitation.

[Harmsway]

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

If anyone is not aware, it may be you, my friend - it's you who didn't even know Bush was an Evangelical, and you're using a suspect documentary to do all your arguing for you.

Er, Yes I did know. I mentioned it in post 49.

Eh, you said, and I quote, "To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did."

Please be more aware.

I wish you would take your own advice.

[WhiteKnight2000]

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

If anyone is not aware, it may be you, my friend - it's you who didn't even know Bush was an Evangelical, and you're using a suspect documentary to do all your arguing for you.

Er, Yes I did know. I mentioned it in post 49.

Eh, you said, and I quote, "To be fair you didn't even know he was one until after he became the president. None of us did."

So you did know before, that's interesting....

[Doctor Shatterhand]

I'm just saying be aware of whats going on.

If anyone is not aware, it may be you, my friend - it's you who didn't even know Bush was an Evangelical, and you're using a suspect documentary to do all your arguing for you.

Er, Yes I did know. I mentioned it in post 49. Please be more aware.

That's all I'm saying.

Just watch the film, I'm not very religious myself but I pray you don't all sleepwalk into oblivion over in the good olde US of A.

If you read my post, I did. I've seen JESUS CAMP, and it's not at all indicative of Evangelical Christianity. And the filmmakers were just as biased as the people they were portraying, honestly.

Well Evangelicals have said it was a fairly good account. What are you basing this opinion on? Are you a Evangelical yourself. Perhaps trying a bit of damage limitation.

Folks, please stop saying that Evangelicals and Fundamentals are dangerous in the Christian faith. They are neither. If at best the word CULT or CULTIC is best described when a religious faction has manipulated the Christian faith into something it is not.

Fundalmentalism is the belief in the entire Holy Scriptures. It is not cultic or extreme. Please stop insulting my faith when you have not read the scriptures.

[Harmsway]

Well Evangelicals have said it was a fairly good account.

No, the church itself said it was a good account. No other Evangelicals have rallied around the film as a good account. The film is indicative of that church, and that church alone.

What are you basing this opinion on?

More than you are, my friend. I'm not an Evangelical, but I am a Christian. I have spent a lot of time studying the demographics of the current church as well as studying church history. All of this isn't including the fairly intimate knowledge of the Church in America I have from personal experience.

You've seen some biased documentary and then you're an expert.

[Royal Dalton]

Unlike many countries, our government is for the people and by the people, not one man or monarchy.

So why is the cabinet unelected?

[Harmsway]

Fundalmentalism is the belief in the entire Holy Scriptures. It is not cultic or extreme. Please stop insulting my faith when you have not read the scriptures.

The term fundamentalism was once far broader than it is now. Christian fundamentalism, in the definition that is used by Christian writers and scholars, is actually a good deal more than that. It's not just the belief in the authority of Holy Scriptures, but rather a certain interpretation of them. It refers to a certain sector of mainstream Christianity, and they have often been at odds with other Evangelicals.

For example, evangelist Billy Graham holds a belief in the authority of scripture, but he is not a fundamentalist - he would be considered part of the Neo-Evangelicalism movement.

[WhiteKnight2000]

What are you basing this opinion on?

More than you are, my friend. I'm not an Evangelical, really, but I am a Christian and have spent a lot of time studying the demographics of the current church as well as studying church history. All of this isn't including the fairly intimate knowledge of the Church in America I have from personal experience.

You've seen some biased documentary and then you're an expert.

I think I come from a fairly neutral standpoint on this.

Why do you think the documentary was baised? It showed both sides of the argument quite well. If you feel it was biased, let us know what aspects of it were.

Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 13 April 2007 - 11:58 PM.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Unlike many countries, our government is for the people and by the people, not one man or monarchy.

So why is the cabinet unelected?

The Cabinet is elected or voted on by the Senate. There are hearings for every potential Cabinet member. Many times the first choice for a particular Cabinet position is voted down and the President has to find a new choice. The people of the United States can email, call or send telegrams to the Capitol and their Senators to help in the decision. So the whole system is by the people.

Christian fundamentalism, in the definition that is used by Christian writers and scholars, is actually a good deal more than that. It's not just the belief in the authority of Holy Scriptures, but rather a certain interpretation of them.

It tends to be overused like Kleenex or Xerox in the media. It becomes soemthing it originally was not. Try "Cult" next time, it separates the men from the boys.

[Royal Dalton]

Only messin' with ya, Doc.

Still, it's not 'really' democratic, is it?

"Search your feelings, you know this to be true!"

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Only messin' with ya, Doc.

Still, it's not 'really' democratic, is it?

"Search your feelings, you know this to be true!"

I trust you are still messin' with me. But to be honest it is very democratic. It certainly is not a monarchy or despotic process. So what else can it be?

[Harmsway]

Why do you think the documentary was baised? It showed both sides of the argument quite well. If you feel it was biased, let us know what aspects of it were.

Even entirely secular reviewers noted how biased it was, especially in its selection of a church in its attempt to point a finger at Christianity nationwide. But for the more biased elements, see the spooky music during a few scenes.

You need to do more research if you really think that all Evangelicals are like JESUS CAMP. Or maybe, you should actually go out and visit a few churches for yourself, rather than relying on a documentary that shows a single church to make your judgments about the whole group.

Christian fundamentalism, in the definition that is used by Christian writers and scholars, is actually a good deal more than that. It's not just the belief in the authority of Holy Scriptures, but rather a certain interpretation of them.

It tends to be overused like Kleenex or Xerox in the media. It becomes soemthing it originally was not. Try "Cult" next time, it separates the men from the boys.

Oh, it gets used as a blanket statement. And it has become quite the put-down, since "fundamentalism" is now associated with Islamic suicide bombers. I only use it because it's a more specific term (when the definition is attached) than "cult" is, though I guess they could kind of go hand-in-hand.

[Royal Dalton]

A very loose and indirect form of democracy, I suppose...

[WhiteKnight2000]

Why do you think the documentary was baised? It showed both sides of the argument quite well. If you feel it was biased, let us know what aspects of it were.

You need to do more research if you really think that all Evangelicals are like JESUS CAMP. Or maybe, you should actually go out and visit a few churches for yourself, rather than relying on a documentary that shows a single church to make your judgments about the whole group.

So would your church ban Harry Potter because it was witchcraft?

Just how many Evangelical factions are there?

Even entirely secular reviewers noted how biased it was, especially in its selection of a church in its attempt to point a finger at Christianity nationwide. But for the more biased elements, see the spooky music during a few scenes.

Yes I noticed some spooky music, but frankly that didn't change the content of what was being said and done.

I rememeber the spooky music in particular when that child looked like he was having a fit.

Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 14 April 2007 - 12:17 AM.

[Harmsway]

So would your church ban Harry Potter because it was witchcraft?

Never. In fact, most in my church rather enjoy the Harry Potter films.

Just how many Evangelical factions are there?

Ummm... too many to list off the top of my head. But you can't just whitewash them all.

[WhiteKnight2000]

So would your church ban Harry Potter because it was witchcraft?

Never. In fact, most in my church rather enjoy the Harry Potter films.

Just how many Evangelical factions are there?

Ummm... too many to list off the top of my head. But you can't just whitewash them all.

Yeah? Well it's the ones in the film Jesus Camp you should be concerned about. They are directly connected to George Bush.

[Johnboy007]

Well, this turned out to be a delightful thread.

[WhiteKnight2000]

Well, this turned out to be a delightful thread.

I've always said that religion is the cause of all the problems in the world.

[Harmsway]

Yeah? Well it's the ones in the film Jesus Camp you should be concerned about.

There aren't that many like the ones in the film JESUS CAMP. That's what I've been trying to tell ya. That church is pretty much a cult.

They are directly connected to George Bush.

Not really.

[WhiteKnight2000]

Yeah? Well it's the ones in the film Jesus Camp you should be concerned about.

There aren't that many like the ones in the film JESUS CAMP. That's what I've been trying to tell ya.

Well I hope not!

[Johnboy007]

I don't believe in any faith, but I've never felt that gives me the right to criticize and insult the faith of others.

Quite frankly it's a bit self righteous and pompous.

[WhiteKnight2000]

I don't believe in any faith, but I've never felt that gives me the right to criticize and insult the faith of others.

Quite frankly it's a bit self righteous and pompous.

I don't think anybody has criticised peoples faith, other very extremist factions, which is largely what this thread has been about.

Casino Royale is anti-God. Bit extreme isn't it...

[rogermoore007]

Well, this turned out to be a delightful thread.

I've always said that religion is the cause of all the problems in the world.

Only when small-minded people who are easily swayed by bogus documentaries make it seem so

[WhiteKnight2000]

Well, this turned out to be a delightful thread.

I've always said that religion is the cause of all the problems in the world.

Only when small-minded people who are easily swayed by bogus documentaries make it seem so

People die for religion. Millions have. It's very small minded for you to be so dismissive. Insulting even.

As for being a bogus documentary. It was nominated for several awards. I suggest you watch it, it's very interesting.

Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 14 April 2007 - 01:08 AM.