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[plankattack]

You are right,
Or perhaps, more to the point, when he ISN'T trying?

It seems to me that it's in all of his 'attempts' that he fails. In the moments I do enjoy he appears to be having fun and letting go and Bond simply comes to him.

I think Harms and Santa and others might agree that Rog was always having fun and letting go, thus the ease of his portrayal and the effortlessness in which he glides undefiled over all the clunkers he lays beneath his feet.

Agreed, and so we return to the "he brought nothing new to the role?" dilemma. That amalgam Bond stuff that was discussed elsewhere was the cause of the uneveness. The desire by (let's let Brozz off the hook for a moment) the producers/writers to provide a Bond for all seasons (there has to be Virgin Bond query in there somewhere) led to moments where the actor was forced to be SC in DN one moment, and Rog in MR the next.

Some cringe at Brozz's jokiness, others don't buy his toughness. Someone somewhere on another thread made the case for GE being his best performance, perhaps because it was originally written for another actor?

[Judo chop]

I don

[Santa]

You are right,
I think Harms and Santa and others might agree that Rog was always having fun and letting go, thus the ease of his portrayal and the effortlessness in which he glides undefiled over all the clunkers he lays beneath his feet.

Oh, I agree, I agree. I almost feel sorry for Pierce now, as I actually feel it wasn't Connery he was trying to be, it was Rog - in real life anyway. Unfortunately Rog has all the natural charm in bucketloads that Pierce could only try for. It's one of those things you either have naturally or not at all, and the harder you try to fake it, the worse it looks. And, poor Pierce, he really did/does try.

[JLaidlaw]

Laz has taken some unbelievable stick from people inside and outside fandom for the last thirty years. So why all of a sudden is Pierce untouchable?

He's not, for the last time. I, and I'm sure others don't have a problem with you criticising him, as long as you don't pretend you are trying to give a fair unbias view of things (which to be fair only one or two people seem to be doing). I (and probably others) don't like the description 'Pierce-Podder' as it disregards other peoples views, the whole childish name-calling really doesn't help discussion. The difference between the 'Pierce was great' threads and this one, is that this thread isn't called 'I don't like Pierce', it's essentially called 'If you're normal you'll hate Pierce, and if you aren't, don't bother replying'. It was a thread meant to cause harm to other people. As far as I;m concerned:

Telling people that their opinions are merely unwilled, unreasoned psychological responses to the popular vote is logically fallacious.

Nice way of putting it. I'd have said that telling people they are podded and their opinions don't count as much as yours is pure idiocy.

Actually, I would just like to apologise to Santa, my criticism may have been a bit harsh. And for that matter apoogise in advance to Judo and Dodge because I'm going to be regretting posting this in the morning. This thread has brought out the worst in everybody. It has collapsed into itself, becoming the black hole of dialectics dragging old arguments and feuds inwards, and should be closed before the whole forum is turned into a war between Pierce-fans and haters.

Love, Light and Peace, JLaidlaw

[dodge]

Laz has taken some unbelievable stick from people inside and outside fandom for the last thirty years. So why all of a sudden is Pierce untouchable?

He's not, for the last time. I, and I'm sure others don't have a problem with you criticising him, as long as you don't pretend you are trying to give a fair unbias view of things (which to be fair only one or two people seem to be doing). I (and probably others) don't like the description 'Pierce-Podder' as it disregards other peoples views, the whole childish name-calling really doesn't help discussion. The difference between the 'Pierce was great' threads and this one, is that this thread isn't called 'I don't like Pierce', it's essentially called 'If you're normal you'll hate Pierce, and if you aren't, don't bother replying'. It was a thread meant to cause harm to other people. As far as I;m concerned:

Telling people that their opinions are merely unwilled, unreasoned psychological responses to the popular vote is logically fallacious.

Nice way of putting it. I'd have said that telling people they are podded and their opinions don't count as much as yours is pure idiocy.

Actually, I would just like to apologise to Santa, my criticism may have been a bit harsh. And for that matter apoogise in advance to Judo and Dodge because I'm going to be regretting posting this in the morning. This thread has brought out the worst in everybody. It has collapsed into itself, becoming the black hole of dialectics dragging old arguments and feuds inwards, and should be closed before the whole forum is turned into a war between Pierce-fans and haters.
Love, Light and Peace, JLaidlaw

Well, there you have it: Close the thread because you don't agree with it and turn every argument here on it's head. You won't like this either but that is podding behavior in its most disagreeable form.

This ain't a Pierce-bashing thread in the slightest. It is, I repeat again, an attempt to balance the ledger. And those who've shown their interest in balanced books, rather than those that are cooked, have led me to the Great Moments Thread, where I've posted a couple of times.

With all respect, the thread has brought out the worst in you--and I hope you do regret it. But others have welcomed the chance to escape from threads overrun by Brozza fanatics--a.k.a., the Podders--and to air their views openly and frankly. There are numerous threads in which you may shower Brozza with kudos and love. Why should you or anyone object to honest attempt to maintain perspective.

Close the thread? No, friend, open your mind.

[00Twelve]

The difference between the 'Pierce was great' threads and this one, is that this thread isn't called 'I don't like Pierce', it's essentially called 'If you're normal you'll hate Pierce, and if you aren't, don't bother replying'. It was a thread meant to cause harm to other people.

Actually, I would just like to apologise to Santa, my criticism may have been a bit harsh. And for that matter apoogise in advance to Judo and Dodge because I'm going to be regretting posting this in the morning.

Good save. Just kidding, Law, but in no way have I ever interpreted this thread as how you're describing it. Not one post from Dodge contains anything I'd consider "hate" for either Pierce or anyone who likes him. This thread was intended to be a civilized (if a bit humorously cynical) way of leveling criticism, in an attempt to balance the numerous threads dedicated to either apologizing to Pierce, justifying his acting choices, listing his best moments, proving he brought new things, etc., etc., etc. Not even Dan has these many threads dedicated to his Bond performance (Those are just general movie reviews; To be honest, there's an obvious lack of need for threads like these dedicated to Craig. Maybe there will be a need in 8 years or so. Not likely.). Most of those other threads have done as you said-- collapsed into argument. Dodge obviously feels persecuted by people who, in his eyes, are attacking him for daring to criticize the man. Whether you or I would have started a thread dedicated to (politely) listing what you didn't like about someone has no bearing on anyone else's right to do so. If you don't have any criticisms of Pierce's Bond, then by all means, don't list them here.

And it's true: some fans liked Pierce, and now they don't. So? Some fans will always love him, some never did. No biggie. There are tons of people everyday who level criticism because they don't know what an actor was trying to do in a role, because in their eyes, it didn't come out. And some others understand, or at least are wishful enough to create a hypothetical interpretation. There are still people who had no idea what Craig was doing, either. No matter how much justifying some of us do, that might not change. And if any Bond actor has endured hate from fickle fans, it's him. But this thread isn't about him, so I'm sorry for bringing him up. And I appreciated the last part of your post, as yes, I too get a bit on the hot side when it's late and I'm feeling less inhibited. It's all good, I hope. Thanks for letting me rant in return.

[Santa]

No apology necessary . I too was harsh, because I wanted to make my point, which I hoped would in turn explain why I am not jumping on any bandwagon and am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what I like in Bond. I also appreciate that my dislikes may be irrational but I believe most human likes aswell as dislikes are instinctive and rational doesn't really come into it. Have you never met someone you've taken an instant dislike to, for no definable reason? It's an unpleasant thing to do, I admit, but at least I'm being honest about what's going on. I don't like Pierce because I'm a bitch. There you go .

[Royal Dalton]

Have we discovered what podded means, yet?

[Santa]

I always assumed it was an Invasion of the Bodysnatchers type thingy but I think Dodge had other weirdness in mind. I believe it's explained above but I'm too lazy to find it for you. Sorry

[dee-bee-five]

Have we discovered what podded means, yet?

Surely "do we care?" is the more compelling question...?

[Judo chop]

Enough to ask the question I suppose?

[dodge]

'PODDING' DEFINED': As Ace and Santa have both pointed out, the reference points to the classic sci/fi thriller Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. Aliens gestate in pods--a little bit like giant pea pods--there assuming the forms of the humans whom they will replace while they, the humans, sleep. One day the victim awakes--and s/he's been taken over. Nothing left but a shell of themselves.
The allusion came to me while on the thread 'He brought nothing to the role'...and I felt the sudden need to wear a cap of aluminum foil to protect my brain cells from posts by certain members.

But as the word is used here, podding points to the attempts of some to force others into submissions. By any means at hand: ridicule, sophistry, changing the subject, demanding that a thread be closed, endlessly posting 'You don't understand!', etc.

[Jim]

By any means at hand: ridicule, sophistry, changing the subject, demanding that a thread be closed, endlessly posting 'You don't understand!', etc.

The secrets of moderation revealed.

[Mister Asterix]

'PODDING' DEFINED': As Ace and Santa have both pointed out, the reference points to the classic sci/fi thriller Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. Aliens gestate in pods--a little bit like giant pea pods--there assuming the forms of the humans whom they will replace while they, the humans, sleep. One day the victim awakes--and s/he's been taken over. Nothing left but a shell of themselves.

So the truth comes out! This entire thread is a thinly veiled attempt to stir up PR for Daniel Craig’s upcoming film The Invasion, which is a remake of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

I’ve caught you now, dodge. So don’t deny it.

Thanks for the definition

[killkenny kid]

lol, good one.

[dodge]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='728649' date='18 April 2007 - 19:11'][quote name='dodge' post='728603' date='18 April 2007 - 13:12']'PODDING' DEFINED': As Ace and Santa have both pointed out, the reference points to the classic sci/fi thriller Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. Aliens gestate in pods--a little bit like giant pea pods--there assuming the forms of the humans whom they will replace while they, the humans, sleep. One day the victim awakes--and s/he's been taken over. Nothing left but a shell of themselves.[/quote]

[mra]So the truth comes out! This entire thread is a thinly veiled attempt to stir up PR for Daniel Craig

[JLaidlaw]

Ridicule, Sophistry, Changing the subject, endlessly posting you don't understand? Do you mind me just saying that the definition of podding seems to be very different from the movie? Seems to me like you may have just dug two graves. I've decided to attempt to evade controversy by stopping posting in this thread (This isn't running away with the last word, I'll still read any negative or positive responses). I've made my point, and there's more harm than good in endlessly retreading it just because other people didn't neccessarily agree with me. If, after all people didn't mean to infringe on other people's right to free speech then I'm fine with that. So on leaving I would just like to point out two things, and then walk into the sunset. Firstly, the idea that the thread should be closed was merely an exaggeration, not something I think should actually happen, which is why it involved an allusion to black holes and threads collapsing in on themselves (So no, frankly, 'you don't understand!'). Secondly, I never said I liked Pierce's Bond. I like Goldeneye, but otherwise I'm not a big fan. I was just calling for fair play and open discussion. If that's what the Body-Snatchers also do then I'm alright for you to paint me green and call me Poddington.

[dodge]

Ridicule, Sophistry, Changing the subject, endlessly posting you don't understand? Do you mind me just saying that the definition of podding seems to be very different from the movie? Seems to me like you may have just dug two graves. I've decided to attempt to evade controversy by stopping posting in this thread (This isn't running away with the last word, I'll still read any negative or positive responses). I've made my point, and there's more harm than good in endlessly retreading it just because other people didn't neccessarily agree with me. If, after all people didn't mean to infringe on other people's right to free speech then I'm fine with that. So on leaving I would just like to point out two things, and then walk into the sunset. Firstly, the idea that the thread should be closed was merely an exaggeration, not something I think should actually happen, which is why it involved an allusion to black holes and threads collapsing in on themselves (So no, frankly, 'you don't understand!'). Secondly, I never said I liked Pierce's Bond. I like Goldeneye, but otherwise I'm not a big fan. I was just calling for fair play and open discussion. If that's what the Body-Snatchers also do then I'm alright for you to paint me green and call me Poddington.

I understand you better than you can afford to admit. Fair play and open discussion are what this thread is about--AS a companion thread to Judo's Great Moments thread. You insist on avoiding that point, referring to this as negative thread. Two sides. Two threads. Sorry you can't handle a frank and open balancing of the ledger. By the way, why aren't you posting more often on the Great Moments thread? Oh, that's you're not even a Pierce fan.

[Judo chop]

I don

[plankattack]

I see many familiar names here! Might I humbly suggest, for frank and balanced discussion with all sides having their say, dropping by the soothing coffee-shop lounge that is "12 years of Roger - a discussion."

There, enjoy a warm beverage of your choice and engage in academic and learned interplay of all things Roger. For those of you that enjoy tobacco or any substance/compound that stimulates grey matter, there is a smoking section. All are welcome. Please come by, put your feet and typing fingers up and join the pursuit for absolute truth in the world of EON 1973-1985.

[dodge]

BACK ON TRACK:THE MOUTH TO MOUTH SCENE WITH JINX was actually painful to watch. Brozza appeared to be physically revulsed. No Halle Berry jokes, please. It's the actor's job to act, regardless of his feelings. Compare with the similar scene in CR?

[00Twelve]

My only real gaping Brosnan no-no is his very last line, unfortunately. Shame he had to go out on that note. And it's not just that it's a dumb line; It's just that both his and Hally's intentions seem a little cryptic to me, and not in the way they meant. Her "I am sooo good..." made little sense to me, and then he had to follow with "Especially when you're bad?" And yes, the inflection is up at the end, so it sounds more like a rhetorical question than a declarative statement. It's just so unremarkable and sub-par. I hate that DAD, after all it's ups and downs, had to end with such a juvenile (and NOT clever) exchange. I hate that Broz had to say that as his last line. He should have gotten better to work with.

[ACE]

With permed hair, pointing at dodge at shrieking!

[I thought your podding reference was to "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" where the town are replaced with compliant (alien-underneath) replicas of the humans (having been grown overnight in a pod). Hence my first line on my first post (i.e. the Donald Sutherland/Don Siegal 1978 remake).

I think it's the people who quite like Brosnan Bond (and who understand most fan sites were formed during his tenure and that whether you like/dislike him, he was a major ingredient to re-invigorating the franchise) who are the ones who have NOT been podded!

Sorry, I'll get my kicking boots on!

DOOSH! Brozza, sort your bloody hair out in GoldenEye. It's too long!

Parlay some of your oversized salary to the special effects dept. RIP Derek Meddings but those models in GE were shocking. And that DAD CGI! Yes, Broz you are to blame for that! Happened on your watch! Anyone who disagrees has been podded^{dodge TM}

[dodge]

ACE'S AWESOME POD ETIQUETTE PRIMER!

Affectionately dedicated to Ace for the awesome Don Sutherland photo. And the primer is written in accordance with what I take to be Ace's roguish peacemaking skills.


BASIC POD EDIQUETTE PRIMER PRINCIPLES
1) Respect for rank. Under no circumstances, at any time, should a Commanding Officer or Veteran be podded. Please! They've paid their dues and we need their wisdom and their presence.
2) Practice makes perfect. Beginning podders should perfect their skills on totally infected threads, such as "He brought nothing new to the role." Do not attempt to derail noble threads like this one with kindergarten tricks: digressions, putdowns, jabs and jibes, rude insulting tones, changings of the subject, sophistry, faux logic, etc. Above all, please refrain from 'You don't understand.'
3) Advanced Podders may perform here, if they can't resist. But only in a civilized way. Really, who can resist the Advanced Podding charm of "the unpodded are really the podded", as has been wonderfully argued above?
4) Prove you're not a podder--right here to begin with. How? By showing that you're capable of seeing the downside of the Brozza. Awesome Ace led the way by arguing for both sides. So post on the Great Moments thread...then join us here in our efforts to keep a balanced ledger.

Cheers.

WE WILL NOT BE PODDED!

[Judo chop]

Pierce, why do you run as if you think you are in the Matrix? As I recall, the only time you were your

[Jim]

ACE'S AWESOME POD ETIQUETTE PRIMER!

Affectionately dedicated to Ace for the awesome Don Sutherland photo. And the primer is written in accordance with what I take to be Ace's roguish peacemaking skills.


BASIC POD EDIQUETTE PRIMER PRINCIPLES
1) Respect for rank. Under no circumstances, at any time, should a Commanding Officer or Veteran be podded. Please! They've paid their dues and we need their wisdom and their presence.
2) Practice makes perfect. Beginning podders should perfect their skills on totally infected threads, such as "He brought nothing new to the role." Do not attempt to derail noble threads like this one with kindergarten tricks: digressions, putdowns, jabs and jibes, rude insulting tones, changings of the subject, sophistry, faux logic, etc. Above all, please refrain from 'You don't understand.'
3) Advanced Podders may perform here, if they can't resist. But only in a civilized way. Really, who can resist the Advanced Podding charm of "the unpodded are really the podded", as has been wonderfully argued above?
4) Prove you're not a podder--right here to begin with. How? By showing that you're capable of seeing the downside of the Brozza. Awesome Ace led the way by arguing for both sides. So post on the Great Moments thread...then join us here in our efforts to keep a balanced ledger.

Cheers.

WE WILL NOT BE PODDED!

What fresh hell is all this?

[dodge]

ACE'S AWESOME POD ETIQUETTE PRIMER!

Affectionately dedicated to Ace for the awesome Don Sutherland photo. And the primer is written in accordance with what I take to be Ace's roguish peacemaking skills.


BASIC POD EDIQUETTE PRIMER PRINCIPLES
1) Respect for rank. Under no circumstances, at any time, should a Commanding Officer or Veteran be podded. Please! They've paid their dues and we need their wisdom and their presence.
2) Practice makes perfect. Beginning podders should perfect their skills on totally infected threads, such as "He brought nothing new to the role." Do not attempt to derail noble threads like this one with kindergarten tricks: digressions, putdowns, jabs and jibes, rude insulting tones, changings of the subject, sophistry, faux logic, etc. Above all, please refrain from 'You don't understand.'
3) Advanced Podders may perform here, if they can't resist. But only in a civilized way. Really, who can resist the Advanced Podding charm of "the unpodded are really the podded", as has been wonderfully argued above?
4) Prove you're not a podder--right here to begin with. How? By showing that you're capable of seeing the downside of the Brozza. Awesome Ace led the way by arguing for both sides. So post on the Great Moments thread...then join us here in our efforts to keep a balanced ledger.

Cheers.

WE WILL NOT BE PODDED!

What fresh hell is all this?

Jim, I'm not sure what the question means. I'd be happy to answer any specific questions. The basic thrust of the post was an argument for civil, respectful behavior on threads such as this one.

[Jim]

The basic thrust of the post was an argument for civil, respectful behavior on threads such as this one.

Best of luck with that.

[Judo chop]

Please don't discuss 'podding' anymore, guys.

After all, endless discussion of it is, by definition, what it is all about. It's a bad thing.

Please... can we just pick apart Pierce Brosnan like civilized people?

[ACE]

Please... can we just pick apart Pierce Brosnan like civilized people?

LOL

How dare you infer that I'm civilized, Judo Chop

Oi Brozza, ya NONCE - stop coming across as a star-spangled mixture of Tony Blair and Jeremy Paxman and Chris Morris! And stop bleating on about saving the whales off Santa Monica point. There are more of them in the Poles and their habitat is being eroded due the melting icecaps caused by the emissions from your freebie Aston Martin Vanquish! Hypocritical E! DOOSH! (Come on droogs, we're allowed to bite!)