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[Jim]

LOL

How dare you infer that I'm civilized, Judo Chop

Oi Brozza, ya NONCE - stop coming across as a star-spangled mixture of Tony Blair and Jeremy Paxman and Chris Morris! And stop bleating on about saving the whales off Santa Monica point. There are more of them in the Poles and their habitat is being eroded due the melting icecaps caused by the emissions from your freebie Aston Martin Vanquish! Hypocritical E! DOOSH! (Come on droogs, we're allowed to bite!)

Um.

[Santa]

Um. What's 'Um'?

[Jim]

Um. What's 'Um'?

On reflection, no idea - but it makes more sense than the rest of this.

Have people been taking unusual pills or something?

[Santa]

Um. What's 'Um'?

On reflection, no idea - but it makes more sense than the rest of this.

I don't think so - you of all people probably have plenty to say on this subject, and I for one wish you would as I know it would be highly amusing.

[dodge]

THANKS, JIM, FOR THE MODERATOR-ATION. And Judo for your suggestion. We'll follow Judo's suggestion and herewith drop further talk of podding and struggle still more fiercely to hang tough to the thread's top: the free and open listings of Pierce Brosnan No-no's.

Even the most devoted Brozza fans will surely agree that is fair.

[Judo chop]

Even the most devoted Brozza fans will surely agree that is fair.

If they don

[dodge]

The tank scene in GE: Craig packed more intensity into his ten second bulldozer chase than PB did into this entire set piece. Just a dapper gentleman out for a nice Sunday drive. Lookin' too good to deliver the goods.

[bond_girl_double07]

several of his sex scenes were kind of creepy (or at least very unsexy).. he's old enough by the end that seeing him in bed with a woman 20 years his younger is disturbing..

still not sure how I feel about seeing bond get his rocks off in DAD either.. I've been leaning toward very uncomfortable/creepy for a while now

[Santa]

The sex scene with Halle Berry - seeing Bond's come face was ultra creepy.

[LadySylvia]

The sex scene with Halle Berry - seeing Bond's come face was ultra creepy.

You really thought so? His love scene with Rosamund Pike certainly wasn't a highlight of the movie.

[bond_girl_double07]

The sex scene with Halle Berry - seeing Bond's come face was ultra creepy.

You really thought so? His love scene with Rosamund Pike certainly wasn't a highlight of the movie.

Halle Berry scene was much creepier.. orgasm face probably sounded great on paper (I'm sure the producers were like "you know what would make this scene hotter?"..), but in application it was very scary and wrong..

[Santa]

The whole thing was just wrong diddly wrong wrong.

[Judo chop]

The sex scene with Halle Berry - seeing Bond's come face was ultra creepy.

Don't you mean his double-OH face?

[JimmyBond]

His love scene with Rosamund Pike certainly wasn't a highlight of the movie.

What love scene? They cut away so quick that there's barely any time for it to register.

[00Twelve]

The sex scene with Halle Berry - seeing Bond's come face was ultra creepy.

Don't you mean his double-OH face?

Wow. You got me. Though I'm partly laughing with you, partly at you...

[Santa]

I'm just ignoring him out of pure disgust

[Judo chop]

I'm just ignoring him out of pure disgust

Ok, Mrs. I want to smooch with an older-than-the-sun Roger Moore.

[Santa]

That's fine, I'm not ashamed of it

[LadySylvia]

The sex scene with Halle Berry - seeing Bond's come face was ultra creepy.

You really thought so? His love scene with Rosamund Pike certainly wasn't a highlight of the movie.

Halle Berry scene was much creepier.. orgasm face probably sounded great on paper (I'm sure the producers were like "you know what would make this scene hotter?"..), but in application it was very scary and wrong..

Actually, I wasn't bothered by Brosnan's love scene with Halle Berry. But I was bothered by his love scene with Rosamund Pike. And to be honest . . . the problem - at least for me - was her.

[dodge]

"Now, who's afraid, Mr. Bond?" When the rebuffed Elektra utters this challenge to Bond, some response was called for. Instead Brozza gazes at her for a second with a blank look, as if he didn't understand the question. Granted, it would have helped if P&W had provided a retort. Instead,this seems to have been one of the 'heavy' lines they have mounted a wheel (like Paris Carver's 'Did I get too close, James, was that it?'). The dial was spun, up came 'Who's afraid?' and the layer was supposedly peeled.

But Connery, even without a retort, would have blasted Elektra with his eyes, saying without saying 'Watch yourrrr mouth, girrrrrlie, orrrrr I'll give you a properrrr rrrrrompin'!' Craig might have said that with his eyes while at the same time saying, 'Yeah, damn you, I am afraid.'

Neither PB nor P&W seem to have a had a clue about their Bond's real nature and what he would have said back.

[00Twelve]

Starting to realize that I don't like the way Broz shows his pain. Over in one of the "superlative" threads, I'm thinking of calling him "The Winciest Bond," because he shows that it hurts, that it's a strain, that he's all too human. Now, if there is anything I like, it is Bond being human. HOWEVER, I appreciate Bonds like Dan and Sean who downplayed the appearance of pain, because one would think that an assassin like Bond, when he is at the mercy of another killer (or in really any other situation), would not want to convey that he's weak or weakening. He is trained not to, after all.

It wasn't nearly as big an issue in Goldeneye, but Broz was constantly wincing, groaning, snarling, gritting, yelping, etc., from TND on, and I always wondered why it rang a little strange, and now I'm thinking that it was a little bit of indication on his part. I understood that he was trying to make Bond a human being who gets hurt, but now that we see that Bond gets hurt but does everything possible not to show it, like in CR, it looks different in hindsight. What doesn't, really?

[dodge]

Starting to realize that I don't like the way Broz shows his pain. Over in one of the "superlative" threads, I'm thinking of calling him "The Winciest Bond," because he shows that it hurts, that it's a strain, that he's all too human. Now, if there is anything I like, it is Bond being human. HOWEVER, I appreciate Bonds like Dan and Sean who downplayed the appearance of pain, because one would think that an assassin like Bond, when he is at the mercy of another killer (or in really any other situation), would not want to convey that he's weak or weakening. He is trained not to, after all.

It wasn't nearly as big an issue in Goldeneye, but Broz was constantly wincing, groaning, snarling, gritting, yelping, etc., from TND on, and I always wondered why it rang a little strange, and now I'm thinking that it was a little bit of indication on his part. I understood that he was trying to make Bond a human being who gets hurt, but now that we see that Bond gets hurt but does everything possible not to show it, like in CR, it looks different in hindsight. What doesn't, really?

Good call on the sound effects. The more I think about it, the more convinced I grow that the motherlode of Brozza's woes was failure to think the character through. At least two other Bond actors--Dalton and Craig--studied the books and previous films. And their efforts paid off. Compare: When Brozza's asked by Elektra if he ever lost someone, he shows no reaction, simply guiding her back to his question. When Dalton is reminded in LTK of his marriage, his face--for a fleeting instant--is a classic portrait of barely managed pain. Similarly, Dalton--like Craig--seems to have thought through the pain issue thoroughly. Dalton whoofed now and then, but never--thank you--yelped. Craig may scream in agony--but then he spits in pain's eye.

[00Twelve]

Now, I did see (or convinced myself that I saw) Broz react in a very subtle way to Elektra's question. Just enough so that us fans *might* legitimately wonder if he was recalling Tracy, but pushing it immediately back into her dark corner of his mind. I just got a sense that he was often like, "Look! This HURTS! I'm not a cartoon!!" But it turned out to be more effective for Bond to be tightlipped about the pain.

[dodge]

Now, I did see (or convinced myself that I saw) Broz react in a very subtle way to Elektra's question. Just enough so that us fans *might* legitimately wonder if he was recalling Tracy, but pushing it immediately back into her dark corner of his mind. I just got a sense that he was often like, "Look! This HURTS! I'm not a cartoon!!" But it turned out to be more effective for Bond to be tightlipped about the pain.

You're right. His eyes were open.

No, no--bad Dodge--if it was there, I missed it, even on a replay. But I'll keep my mind open to your feedback and any from others on this scene. Usually, less is more...but for me, at least so far, Brozza's less here is just less. I'd love to here from Judo or Santa's Strawberry Yoga as well.

[Judo chop]

Now, I did see (or convinced myself that I saw) Broz react in a very subtle way to Elektra's question. Just enough so that us fans *might* legitimately wonder if he was recalling Tracy, but pushing it immediately back into her dark corner of his mind. I just got a sense that he was often like, "Look! This HURTS! I'm not a cartoon!!" But it turned out to be more effective for Bond to be tightlipped about the pain.

You're right. His eyes were open.

No, no--bad Dodge--if it was there, I missed it, even on a replay. But I'll keep my mind open to your feedback and any from others on this scene. Usually, less is more...but for me, at least so far, Brozza's less here is just less. I'd love to here from Judo or Santa's Strawberry Yoga as well.

Look guys. I'm home sick today and was just about to pop TMWGG in the player. Now you're telling me I have to watch TND?

Edit: Wait. I see we're onto TWINE, not TND. Sorry, can't do it. Not for another 6 months at least until the feeling of spending a summer weekend shopping at Walmart has subsided.

[00Twelve]

No, by all means, no. You and Mary and J.W. and Nick Nack JUST HAVE YOURSELVES A WONDERFUL TIME TOGETHER!!

[Santa]

I'd love to here from Judo or Santa's Strawberry Yoga as well.

Here or hear?

[plankattack]

Now, I did see (or convinced myself that I saw) Broz react in a very subtle way to Elektra's question. Just enough so that us fans *might* legitimately wonder if he was recalling Tracy, but pushing it immediately back into her dark corner of his mind. I just got a sense that he was often like, "Look! This HURTS! I'm not a cartoon!!" But it turned out to be more effective for Bond to be tightlipped about the pain.

You're right. His eyes were open.

No, no--bad Dodge--if it was there, I missed it, even on a replay. But I'll keep my mind open to your feedback and any from others on this scene. Usually, less is more...but for me, at least so far, Brozza's less here is just less. I'd love to here from Judo or Santa's Strawberry Yoga as well.

Alright....I've kept quiet but we're into TWINE territory and (insert weekly defense of TWINE here) that means that I'm home! I'm with 12, Dodge. Standing on the logging/construction site, Elektra asks Brozza if he's ever lost someone, and he does this funny little squint/half step back/shift of his weight-thingy to indicate, yes, next question please, none of yer bizness! I actually believe it's a great little moment, similar to TD's refusal of garter from Della. Now I doubt that the RADA/Shakespearean-trained TD was taught the funny little squint/half step back/shift of his weight-thingy, but it comes naturally to Brozz and is, my mind, a great Brozza moment rather than a no-no!

Edited by plankattack, 07 May 2007 - 05:45 PM.

[dodge]

I'd love to here from Judo or Santa's Strawberry Yoga as well.

Here or hear?

If I were there, you'd here me--but as it is, I did mean hear.

[dodge]

Now, I did see (or convinced myself that I saw) Broz react in a very subtle way to Elektra's question. Just enough so that us fans *might* legitimately wonder if he was recalling Tracy, but pushing it immediately back into her dark corner of his mind. I just got a sense that he was often like, "Look! This HURTS! I'm not a cartoon!!" But it turned out to be more effective for Bond to be tightlipped about the pain.

You're right. His eyes were open.

No, no--bad Dodge--if it was there, I missed it, even on a replay. But I'll keep my mind open to your feedback and any from others on this scene. Usually, less is more...but for me, at least so far, Brozza's less here is just less. I'd love to here from Judo or Santa's Strawberry Yoga as well.

Alright....I've kept quiet but we're into TWINE territory and (insert weekly defense of TWINE here) that means that I'm home! I'm with 12, Dodge. Standing on the logging/construction site, Elektra asks Brozza if he's ever lost someone, and he does this funny little squint/half step back/shift of his weight-thingy to indicate, yes, next question please, none of yer bizness! I actually believe it's a great little moment, similar to TD's refusal of garter from Della. Now I doubt that the RADA/Shakespearean-trained TD was taught the funny little squint/half step back/shift of his weight-thingy, but it comes naturally to Brozz and is, my mind, a great Brozza moment rather than a no-no!

If only he'd added a yelp, Plank, the great moment might not have been wasted on me. To me, the moment's a no-no but I'll keep an eye on posts to come. Right now I still think it's more likely that Broz was dealing at that moment with acid reflux than reacting to Elektra's remark. For me, it's still a no-no that I must reflect on.