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[JimmyBond]

It's not that Bond showing pain is bad, it's just that Brosnan did it in a silly/unbelievable way. I don't buy his gasping for a second.

And the way he grits his teeth with his lips wide open, it's very comical.

[WhiteKnight2000]

Surely you can find a moment that didn't quite add up, I love Casino Royale but I'm quick to point out the many flaws (I percieve it to) have.

With Craig or the script/direction?

I can think of plenty of moments that don't add in in the Brosnan scripts. But what have the scripts got to do with Brozzas performance? I can't really fault him on that level at all, he made the best of what he was given.

He generally has this strange kind of mid-Atlantic twang, which you often find in Brits (I know, he's Irish blah blah, but you know what I mean) who have lived in the U.S. for a while. Catherine Zeta Jones is the same. I find it very annoying.

LOL, I don't know why that struck me as funny, except that my mind zeroed in on exactly what you mean. A mid-Atlantic "twang." Very apt description of the American dialects vs. the British.

Well it's not exactly an American accent, it's just not British either.

It's Irish ironed out. That's what it is. Brosnans accent certainly bares more resemblance to British than American.

It's not that Bond showing pain is bad, it's just that Brosnan did it in a silly/unbelievable way. I don't buy his gasping for a second.

And the way he grits his teeth with his lips wide open, it's very comical.

Until you've been garroted from behind how do you know you wouldn't do the same?

Edited by WhiteKnight2000, 15 April 2007 - 01:02 AM.

[Publius]

The little Brosnan "grunt" was always annoying, and probably the only reoccuring "no-no" of his as far as I'm concerned. C'mon Pierce, put your back into it will ya?

[LadySylvia]

Anyone who read my massive post on the "great Pierce moments" thread knows that I found alot to love about his portrayal. However, I can acknowledge a few things that didn't work for me.

Goldeneye
- My least favorite Broz performance, and I think that's why I don't like the film too much. I can't pick specific moments, but it seems as though he's trying too hard to be confident the whole time. It's fine, as he was just warming up.

Tomorrow Never Dies
- I've always HATED how he goes "whoooooooooa.... whoaaaaaaaa!" while falling down the Carver banner. The Bond I know is cool and confident in those extreme situations.
- In the stealth ship gun battle, firing his sub-machinegun sideways. This isn't The Matrix, etc. I'm sure you've been trained to fire a gun properly.

The World Is Not Enough
- His "Russian" accent that isn't very good to begin with and fades in and out. He'd be dead before they had their new sneakers on.
- "I knew you couldn't shoulder the responsibility." Brozza sound effects! "Gah, gosh, geeesh, shhhhh...." Bond should hold in the pain when in the presence of his rival, if anything a slight grunt or wince.
- After Bond shoots Elektra, here's what I picture happening in my head because I think it would be perfect that way. Bond fires, looks at her corpse. "I never miss." Looks at M without saying a word, turns and dives. No leaning over her! That's too emotional.

Die Another Day
- The entire scene with M aboard the hospital ship always makes me cringe. It's really melodramatic. Specifically, "Along with my freedom?"
- Apparently between TWINE and DAD Pierce developed a PansyRun ™. Running to Graves' ice jet boat thing it looks like he has a stick up his bum.
- After rescuing Jinx from the ice palace, "come on, come on, the cold kept you alive" and "what took me so long" come off as really sappy. I don't mind Bond emotion, but only when there's a solid emotional investment (see: the death of Vesper).
- "Especially when you're bad." My God. You play Bond! You can refuse to say something so stupid/ridiculous.

As a whole, these are relatively minor quibbles in the grand scheme of things. For me, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Are you saying that you don't want the Bond character to show emotional vulnerability?

1 - He slips into a quasi American accent with American-isms. Bond for me can be many things but he should never be American. Sorry if that sounds American-ist (I love America).

I have noticed over the years that a good number of UK citizens . . . including those who remain in the homeland, have a tendency to slip in the occasional "American-isms"into their dialogue.

[Hergersheimer]

Are you saying that you don't want the Bond character to show emotional vulnerability?

Not at all, LadySylvia, and I didn't mean to create that perception. I should have clarified that it's the portrayal of that emotion and vulnerability that's important. Pierce was sometimes too obvious/exaggerated in that portrayal, although I thought he had many well acted dramatic scenes as well. I find Bond's vulnerability to be a very important aspect of the character, thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify that.

[Colossus]

Emotional vulnerability for Bond is reserved for only two areas: his first love and then his wife. Anything else and we start going into "Days of our Lives" nancyboy territory and then we lose one of the core attributes of Fleming's Bond.

[WhiteKnight2000]

Emotional vulnerability for Bond is reserved for only two areas: his first love and then his wife. Anything else and we start going into "Days of our Lives" nancyboy territory and then we lose one of the core attributes of Fleming's Bond.

You have to keep it interesting to keep justifying making so many movies. We've moved way beyond Fleming years ago.

[DamnCoffee]

I really get irritated when Brozza blows kisses all of the time , he always seems to purse his lips together at every possible moment.

[WhiteKnight2000]

This thread seems like nit picking for the sake of it. Why is there no equivalent thread in any of the other actors forums?

[iexpectu2die]

My only complaint about Brozza is his hair. In TWINE for example, he looks like a balloon during the opening bank scene.

[EyesOnly]

This thread seems like nit picking for the sake of it. Why is there no equivalent thread in any of the other actors forums?

Why does there have to be? If we feel like nitpicking about a certain Bond actor why should there be democratic booyah about it?

[Publius]

This thread seems like nit picking for the sake of it. Why is there no equivalent thread in any of the other actors forums?

Knock yourself out. No one's stopping you.

[jaguar007]

This thread seems like nit picking for the sake of it. Why is there no equivalent thread in any of the other actors forums?

There is alot of critisism in the Craig forums, of course most of it was before Casino Royale came out.

[Jim]

This thread seems like nit picking for the sake of it. Why is there no equivalent thread in any of the other actors forums?

Knock yourself out. No one's stopping you.

Mmm. Maybe not.

But this is CBn, part of the worldwide anti-Mr Brosnan as Bond conspiracy (of one), and therefore will only allow anti-Mr Brosnan material to appear, and only anti-Mr Brosnan material as opposed to any other Bond. There's a reputation to maintain.

As for the thread's purpose, I cannot think of three.

Or only three.

[bond_girl_double07]

I just don't like the way he delivers his lines a lot of the time.. the "christmas comes once a year line" was bad enough, but his delivery was terrible

Overall, he was given the weakest scripts though (imo), so maybe he did what he could (or rather what he had the skills to do.. a better actor might have been able to do more)..

[dodge]

Ace, this was not one of your shining moments.

Brozza can't be criticized. I'm dealing with the totally Podded. Goodbye.

Sorry dodge.

Did you read my post?

Of course Brozza can be criticized - I think this site is testimony enough.

And you can and do start any thread you want. No one is stifling you.
The thread does not invite debate and dialogue. Only, by definition, "no-nos".

I merely voiced my opinion above. An opinion about Bond which is the significant minority looking at sites in general. I'm the one who has not been podded.

Criticise all you want. I was just hoping that it could be in context.

Judo Chop's thread was a reaction to all the Brosnan bashing.

Come on, put your back into it, dodge. I'm sure you can come up with more negative things about Brosnan. Only 3 so far?

I'll help you out

1 - The tie adjusting underwater (unscripted or directed). In GE it was funny and in context. In TWINE, this nonsensical ad-lib was just lazy.

2 - Brozz holding his belly in, shirtless, speaking to M on the boat in DAD. I can't remember who posted that he's the only person who goes into a North Korean jail for 14 months and emerges chubbier than when he first went in!
3 - His stubble. I know this was Lindy Hemming's decision to toughen him up in GE but Bond should have a good shave. Thank heavens for the Phillishave deal.

(Come on dodge, join me in "Singin' In The Rain" while I kick the bloated old man Brosnan. Bring your bowler hat! )

Hey, dodge. Come on man. See I'm joining in. BOOF! there you go Brozza!

Actually, I was the one who first noted the Amazing Korean Diet. Had to leave early Friday. Illness in the family. Maybe Secret Agent can have some fun with that. Anyway, I'm back. Bloodied but not bowed. And relieved to know you've not been podded.

[dodge]

[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='726403' date='13 April 2007 - 15:02'][color="#DDA0DD"]Aw, c

[dodge]

[quote name='JimmyBond' post='726535' date='13 April 2007 - 20:29'][quote name='WhiteKnight2000' post='726490' date='13 April 2007 - 14:22']This is just another thinly veiled bashing thread isn't it..[/quote]

At least some of us are making the most out of it and turning it into a discussion thread. Sorry you arent willing to do the same.


[quote name='Mister Asterix' post='726501' date='13 April 2007 - 14:45'][mra]And I have absolutely no idea what

[00Twelve]

[quote name='dodge' post='727589' date='16 April 2007 - 08:56'][quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='726403' date='13 April 2007 - 15:02'][color="#dda0dd"]Aw, c

[dodge]

ACE wins again. I don't have to even say anything, completely 100% agree

The final vote's not in yet. But I do share your affection for Ace and have seen some encouraging signs that he has not been podded.

[rogermoore007]

ACE wins again. I don't have to even say anything, completely 100% agree

The final vote's not in yet. But I do share your affection for Ace and have seen some encouraging signs that he has not been podded.

No one's been "podded," they just have different opinions that happen to be pro-Brosnan. And everytime you say "he's been podded" you sound silly and childish because you can't seem to handle the fact that people actually thought Brosnan was a good Bond.

[ACE]

ACE wins again. I don't have to even say anything, completely 100% agree

The final vote's not in yet. But I do share your affection for Ace and have seen some encouraging signs that he has not been podded.

Thanks rogermoore007 but it's not a question of "winning". dodge has not lost. I merely expressed an opinion of my view of these threads.
It's the innerned - everybardy wins!

dodge, I thought your podding reference was to "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" where the town are replaced with compliant (alien-underneath) replicas of the humans (having been grown overnight in a pod). Hence my first line on my first post (i.e. the Donald Sutherland/Don Siegal 1978 remake). I thought the whole pod-blast thing was quite funny!

Loved your North Korean jail observation. Happy to agree with you there.

Only one problem so far dodge, your post above wastes the opportunity to have another go at Pierce yourself. Take those coconuts and don't be shy...

Now, I assumed you meant we were to have a pop at Pierce's personal performances on this thread. But are you widening it up to problems with the Pierce films in general?

If so, me and droogs can do some more fandalism to the Pi/ss Brosnan
Bond films.

Glad to have you back, dodge. I hope we can get down to some gratuitious vexed and verbal violence!

[rogermoore007]

ACE wins again. I don't have to even say anything, completely 100% agree

The final vote's not in yet. But I do share your affection for Ace and have seen some encouraging signs that he has not been podded.

Thanks rogermoore007 but it's not a question of "winning". dodge has not lost. I merely expressed an opinion of my view of these threads.
It's the innerned - everybardy wins!

dodge, I thought your podding reference was to "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" where the town are replaced with compliant (alien-underneath) replicas of the humans (having been grown overnight in a pod). Hence my first line on my first post (i.e. the Donald Sutherland/Don Siegal 1978 remake). I thought it was quite funny!

Loved your North Korean jail observation. Happy to agree with you there.

Only one problem so far dodge, you haven't had a go at Pierce yourself.

Now, I assumed you meant we were to have a pop at Pierce's personal performances on this thread. But are you widening it up to problems with the Pierce films in general?

If so, me and droogs can do some more fandalism to the Pi/ss Brosnan
Bond films.

Glad to have you back, dodge. I hope we can get down to some gratuitious vex and verbal violence!

My bad ACE, should've used a different word. I simply meant that I thought you were correct and agreed with your opinion.

[ACE]

My bad ACE, should've used a different word. I simply meant that I thought you were correct and agreed with your opinion.

Easy mistake to make rogermoore007. After all, you were expressing a positive thought on this thread!

Now, where are you steel-toed boots, Rodge?
We've got some kicking to do - hey, there's an aging ex-Bond from Navan across the street*







*for the avoidance of all doubt, my likening anti-Brosnan posters to actual violent thugs (on this and other posts) is purely for comedic effect and does not insinuate that such posters are that way at all BOOF!

[dodge]

ACE wins again. I don't have to even say anything, completely 100% agree

The final vote's not in yet. But I do share your affection for Ace and have seen some encouraging signs that he has not been podded.

Thanks rogermoore007 but it's not a question of "winning". dodge has not lost. I merely expressed an opinion of my view of these threads.
It's the innerned - everybardy wins!

dodge, I thought your podding reference was to "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" where the town are replaced with compliant (alien-underneath) replicas of the humans (having been grown overnight in a pod). Hence my first line on my first post (i.e. the Donald Sutherland/Don Siegal 1978 remake). I thought the whole pod-blast thing was quite funny!

Loved your North Korean jail observation. Happy to agree with you there.

Only one problem so far dodge, your post above wastes the opportunity to have another go at Pierce yourself. Take those coconuts and don't be shy...

Now, I assumed you meant we were to have a pop at Pierce's personal performances on this thread. But are you widening it up to problems with the Pierce films in general?

If so, me and droogs can do some more fandalism to the Pi/ss Brosnan
Bond films.

Glad to have you back, dodge. I hope we can get down to some gratuitious vexed and verbal violence!

Thanks for clarifying the pod reference, ACE. I intend to keep using the pod reference exactly because of good members like Roger--who exhibit pod behavior when protesting my use of the word: I'm 'silly and childish'? I think not. My objection from the start has been to alarming symptoms seen on some pro-Brozza threads: abuse, insult, ridicule, changes of the topic, etc.

Getting back to Roger. I could respond with some childish quip like "Yeah? Well, I've heard where you live--and no one should be born there or visit there for the first time!' But then we've been derailed again. I respect Brosnan, actually. And I've entered my first post on Judo's thread. But I will not be podded--by RogerMoore or anyone!

[Judo chop]

Who thought it was a good idea to have Pierce Brosnan play a manhandling Bond? I don

[00Twelve]

Thank you, Judo. I'm glad someone else feels this way about the direction in which BrozBond's fight choreography went. He was much more believable physically in GE (IMO) than in the other movies.

[ACE]

Not really a pop at Pi/ss Brosnan's Bond but at the man himself (do I get extra marks, dodge?)

Why oh why did he keep making pronouncements on who the new director should be?

Martin Scorsese (as if)
Quentin Taratino (er, NO!)

and the most worthy of a droog-ish beating

Brett Frickin Ratner.
Oh pur-lease!

Ah mean, booby, git with the programme.

[Judo chop]

Thank you, Judo. I'm glad someone else feels this way about the direction in which BrozBond's fight choreography went. He was much more believable physically in GE (IMO) than in the other movies.

You are quite welcome. It seems most complaints filed against the Brozbond are in response to all the melodrama injected into his films. And I would have to agree that they are mostly nauseating. Still, if I could wave a magic wand to do a global

[dodge]

ACE, JUDO, 0012TWELVE...and all you other good critical souls. Thank you. I feared I'd come show up here this morning after a long weekend...and feel as if I were stumbling through a New York City canyon--looking for unpodded survivors. Calling out names: "Plank--are you there? Did they get you?"

Instead, this is finally turning into a frank, honest, ho-bolds barred alternative thread to Judo's. Only I've been called a girl-man. The rest of you have been spared, and I'm pleased. By balancing the ledger like this, I'm encouraged to re-view Brozza's films. And tomorrow I'll be back there with another positive posting.