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[Santa]

I want to like this, I really do. I had it on constantly this morning and after I while I just thought "what's that noise?". I can't hear anything catchy in it, or much melody. It is just 'meh'. I can't even bring myself to hate it, it's too boring for that. Just very MOR, very middle-aged, heavy muzak.

[levitator]

For me it's just a good song I don't associate with 007. I'll wait to hear it at the cinema together with the titles. I'm sure the impression will be different... much much better. So I am looking forward.

[Publius]

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[Double-Oh-Zero]

Well...um, how...um...

It'll do, I suppose. Certainly takes some getting used to. I don't hate it, but I don't adore it, either. Don't like the end bit with Cornell shrieking the title over and over (it's funny, I don't mind Cornell's voice through most of it, but he seems to fall apart here), but I don't mind the chorus. I would love to hear Tom Jones perform this song, despite the questionable lyrics.

...It sounds like a speeded-up version of Spinal Tap's "Rock & Roll Creation"...

Hmm.

Hmmmmm.

It does occasionally sound very Tap-ish, doesn't it? Tones of "The Majesty of Rock" seem to creep in there, as well.

Since both Sound Garden, and Pearl Jam both come from my home town- it's pretty much the same as any other angst rock format, IMHO.

Yes, this is true as well. I was actually expecting/hoping for something a bit closer to Nirvana's "Heart-Shaped Box" for the title song. Here're the lyrics to it, in case anyone's wondering:

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black

Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Your advice

Meat-eating orchids forgive no one just yet
Cut myself on angel's hair and baby's breath
Broken hymen of your highness I'm left black
Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back

Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint

Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Your advice

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black

Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! Wait!
I've got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice

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[K1Bond007]

Wow, the story on the main page. Nice job CBn. Way to be professional. Like it or not.

[Skudor]

I want to like this, I really do. I had it on constantly this morning and after I while I just thought "what's that noise?". I can't hear anything catchy in it, or much melody. It is just 'meh'. I can't even bring myself to hate it, it's too boring for that. Just very MOR, very middle-aged, heavy muzak.

On the bright side, it's not as bad as DAD.

[Dunph]

Currently main page straddling...

Pokemon Theme Lea...Casino Royale Theme Leaked!

_{"You Know My Name" rawks its way round the web. Like totally, dude.}

Wow, the story on the main page. Nice job CBn. Way to be professional. Like it or not.

Ah get over yourself, we're all fans here.

[Skudor]

Currently main page straddling...

Pokemon Theme Lea...Casino Royale Theme Leaked!

_{"You Know My Name" rawks its way round the web. Like totally, dude.}

Wow, the story on the main page. Nice job CBn. Way to be professional. Like it or not.

Ah get over yourself, we're all fans here.

You're not. You said something bad about something Bond related. You bad fan.

[Dunph]

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

[The Richmond Spy]

Hate to say it, but I agree with Dunph on this one.

Maybe the final version will sound somewhat different. I'm still hoping!

[Donovan]

Dunph's article is awesome. Perfect. Please don't change a word.

[iexpectu2die]

I can't help but think thats a slightly unprofessional front page article

[gkgyver]

Taste is subjective, I think it's a great Bond theme, you don't. Why can't you leave it at that?

Who says I can't? But this board is for discussions, and a new 007 title song is bound to create major discussions. I made two posts here, one had my opinion, the other a question, so "why can't you leave it at that?" is actually quite a word, since I didn't really say much yet.

Now, the question remains: what on good earth makes you think "it's a great Bond theme"?

It begins with the simple term "Bond THEME". It isn't much of a theme. It's not even much of a motif. All the great Bond songs have outstanding thematic quality. Die Another Day didn't have much of that, but You Know My Name surely is completely blank in this regard.
Furthermore, it lacks a good balance of dynamics. It's just one constant drone.
Then the instrumentation: I don't exactly know when, but at some point during the Brosnan era, some guy decided the signature of a Bond song is guitars. And lots of them. Tomorrow Never Dies had them, they were nice. The World Is Not Enough also had them, they were nice. Die Another Day didn't have them, but then, it wasn't much of a coherent song.
But You Know My Name overdoes it so much that it's ridiculous.

There are other things that bother me, but to nail them I'd have to listen to the song again, and frankly ... well

[Captain Grimes]

Well, it could have been worse, I suppose.

The tune itself, the music, is acceptable. If they tone down the ugly guitars in the film version, and play up the orchestral bits, it will work just fine.

Cornell

[The Dove]

The Look of Love wasn't the title song of the '67 Casino Royale, Captain Grimes...

So now I've actually listened to the whole song... its growing on me!! I actually like it!! I am actually anticipating how it'll tie in with the title sequence and fit the mood of the film.. Sounds pretty good.. It's by no means my all time favorite title song, but its definitely a step up from DAD. I still don't like Cornell's screaming at the end. As I said before, it sounds like either Le Chiffre attacked him with the carpet beater or Cornell zipped up his fly too quickly during a restroom visit!!!

[Publius]

[quote name='The Richmond Spy' post='610975' date='21 September 2006 - 14:56']
Maybe the final version will sound somewhat different. I'm still hoping!
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If it's slowed down a bit and the orchestra is brought out more, it'll easily be among the better Bond themes in my opinion.

[quote name='gkgyver' post='610986' date='21 September 2006 - 15:01']
Now, the question remains: what on good earth makes you think "it's a great Bond theme"?
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Let's see, it's a good song (for reasons I've elaborated on elsewhere here) that's better than a majority of the other Bond themes. So it's already off to a good start there. The fact that there exists no such thing as a template for Bond themes means this has the added bonus of being able to be and being very different from anything we've heard so far. There you go.

Of course this is all opinion, and as we should know by now debating opinions as if they were in any way objective is ridiculous and futile. And frankly, that seems to be even more the case with music than with things like Daniel Craig's hair and face. Perhaps it's inevitable that posters on a Bond fansite have an easier time agreeing or even agreeing to disagree on things more core to Bond (debates over darkness, realism, violence, etc.) than on more peripheral things like music, which is divisive enough ordinarily.

[quote name='Captain Grimes' post='611000' date='21 September 2006 - 15:13']
The lyrics are of the

[Captain Grimes]

[quote name='The Dove' post='611005' date='21 September 2006 - 15:17']
The Look of Love wasn't the title song of the '67 Casino Royale, Captain Grimes...
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Well, it's been awhile since I watched it, so I'm not sure what plays over the actual titles, but it is listed first here. In any event, it's the most recognizable song from the film.



[quote name='Publius' post='611007' date='21 September 2006 - 15:20']
[quote name='Captain Grimes' post='611000' date='21 September 2006 - 15:13']
The lyrics are of the

Edited by Captain Grimes, 21 September 2006 - 07:26 PM.

[Jeff007]

I dig it. I think it will grow on us more in time. Not what you expect for walking through a casino though.

[blueman]

It's sort of the B-side rocker tune to TND's ballad (I'm one of those who actually liked TND's theme...and I'm fond of CR's too). Sounds like an Arnold Bond tune to me, just in another style.

[The Dove]

Heard it a couple of more times.. and I am REALLY starting to like it !!!

[Monsieur B]

It begins with the simple term "Bond THEME". It isn't much of a theme. It's not even much of a motif. All the great Bond songs have outstanding thematic quality. Die Another Day didn't have much of that, but You Know My Name surely is completely blank in this regard.

What are you talking about? YKMN blank of thematic quality? Have you read the lyrics? The song is ABOUT BOND. What is DAD about, eh?

Tch! No thematic quality? Please.

[dinovelvet]

I can't help but think thats a slightly unprofessional front page article

Yeah, its just...wow. Didn't expect to ever read something like that on this site.

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[Double-O Eleven]

Doesn't do it for me. Not my musical style, admittedly. I had hoped that for a story like Casino Royale they would have gone with a more jazz-oriented style.

[Johnboy007]

I'd be curious to see what verses will be removed for the title cut.

[Orion]

I think all Audioslave stuff is like that, the first time i hear Show Me How to live, i thought it was alright but not brilliant, i think its as you get use to Cornells style, so as an Audioslave fan i immediatly love You Know My Name as its definitly Cornell with the difinitive Arnold style mixed in.

[Monsieur B]

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:00 PM

What's brilliant about the lyrics to the song (despite them having a little cheese, like nearly all the Bond theme lyrics), is how you can interept things different ways and how they relate to the movie.

Just for one example

"Hide your hand
Try to forget how to Feel"

Is this talking about:
1) The actual card game?
2) Vesper/Bond's relationship?
3) The torture scene?
4) The actual

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on Bond's hand?

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#240 Santa

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[Fro]

What's brilliant about the lyrics to the song (despite them having a little cheese, like nearly all the Bond theme lyrics), is how you can interept things different ways and how they relate to the movie.

Just for one example

"Hide your hand
Try to forget how to Feel"

Is this talking about:
1) The actual card game?
2) Vesper/Bond's relationship?
3) The torture scene?
4) The actual

Spoiler

scar

on Bond's hand?

[Santa]

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