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[Loomis]

I'm a bit sad how some guys at CBn treat the forum users. Comments are banned, topics closed... disturbing. Maybe they want us to quit being Bond fans after all...

Yes. That's why we do it.

So, wait, is this place kind of like the Allen Carr clinic for Bond addicts? "You will now learn to be a non-fan even as you continue to post on the forum. ... You will realise that posting provides no real benefit, pleasure or crutch, and that no matter what you write or how many times you make the same point your influence on Eon will be absolutely zero. ... You are now ready to make your final post."

Wouldn't "You Know My Name" have worked marvellously on the soundtrack to xXx? Listening to it, I picture Vin Diesel snowboarding out of a plane.

[bernsmartin007]

Indeed, maybe a tune up and re-recording of the song would be a good idea. It just needs some slight msuical alterations in a couple of places like the chorus line "Arm yourself..." which sounds kind of like something from Thundercats. The opening is a good idea but could do with a subtle changing to make it less whiney and flat, maybe a bit darker and more bass driven. The singing at the very end could do with being a bit stronger too.

Overall it's a good tune IMO but has a few small faults that water it down. it needs to be sharpened up and given a little more mood and the orchestra a touch more prominent.

[Von Hammerstein]

Good tune. It's no GF, but it beats all hell out of Sheryl Crow's TND and the last Madonna stinkeroo of DAD.

[Santa]

And I realise I'll probably get stabbed for this, but there is such a thing as 'good music' and 'bad music'.

I'm sure that feels nice to say. Especially if you group music you like in the "good" group. But it doesn't make it so. I think most mainstream music is crap, but unfortunately there's no way to objectively measure that.

We can detail the technical components of a song, like the notes or instruments used, but value judgements such as "bad" by definition cannot be calculated. You can pan a song by going into every specific, but then someone else can come along and say that those same specifics sound good to his ear, and it's therefore good to him.

You know what I meant, I'm afraid I believe you can objectively say that music is good or bad, just as you do with literature, but I'm fine with the bad music because some people still like it. As it happens, plenty of the music I like falls into the bad category, but I still like it and that doesn't stop me appreciating that it's bad music, just as Mills & Boon is bad literature. Similarly, there's plenty of stuff that I know is good, I just don't like it. Knew I'd get jumped on for that post, though .

but can any of you same people actually see anyone playing air guitar and screeching to YKNM thirty years from now?

I can't see people "rocking out" to AVTAK, and that's pretty popular (I like it). Same thing for LALD, which is 2/3 bizarre voodoo-inspired orchestra, and the rest is split between Paul McCartney's weird lyrics and the background singers. Yet the song is still awesome.

In my experience everyone goes wild when LALD comes on. It's probably one of the most universally popular songs I can think of.

which sounds kind of like something from Thundercats.

That can only be good thing, surely ?

[bernsmartin007]

I get the feeling some people here would prefer the clich

[DamnCoffee]

The more i listen to the song the more it grows on me - Cornell did a great job with it i know its different and not what you think of when you think of a Bond song but, it suits the tone of the movie, you wouldn't find Die Another Day sung over the Thunderball Credits or AVTAKS over FRWL - every Bond movie has there own feel to it and YKMN fits perfectly

[Ouroboros]

I find it somewhat amusing how many people dislike this song and recommend it for something else like xXx or Spiderman or whatever else they feel is generic action out there. But that's precisely the opposite of what I feel.

A quick disclaimer. I do not hate this song, I do not love this song. It's all right, but there are many things I wish were different about it. Not least the fact that it wouldn't fit in another movie. This song would not fit in any of the above-mentioned movies. It doesn't have enough edge. And it's definitely not metal, as a few folks have labeled it. And this is what stops me from loving the song. I like most of the lyrics, and I like portions of the music, but whenever I feel like it's about to cut loose its energy, the orchestra comes in and swamps it out, striving to add that "Bond" feel. Perhaps, as I said in an earlier post, if they had not felt the need to do this, and let the song be a bit edgier, a bit less obviously Bond, it would have been better. As it is, it just sounds like slick, over-orchestrated Bond pop. Which doesn't make it bad, or mean I don't like it, it just isn't what I was hoping for.

[DamnCoffee]

I wonder when 'YKMN' will be added to the CBn profile options so i can choose it as my favorite Soundtrack

[Whalltt]

I like it a lot.

Good job Cornell!

[Skudor]

I find myself remembering snippets of the song every now and again, even though I haven't listened to it since Wednesday, so it can't be all bad. I'll reserve final judgement for when it plays in the cinema, with the main titles and after the PTS - that's how it's meant to be experienced...

[trs007]

I like the song. Also, this is the radio version. It is entirely possible the actual tune we hear over the opening credits is rearranged differently.
Also, having obtained the 320kps version, the orchestrations do make for some good potential music. I, lik others, feel a definite action rift with come from the tune under the chorus of the song.

[PeteJ2811]

That's not legally correct. The release of the song has nothing to do with how lawful it is to link to it. In fact it is not an offence, civil or criminal to listen to it. It may well be to retain the file on your computer, certainly in the UK it is, however linking to it or listenning to it are two things that break no laws, civil or criminal, in the UK.

Hmmm. Linking to a copyright work without authorisation is likely to be a breach of copyright. The act of listening obviously isn't, but the streaming/downloading of the work is.

Linking to it is NOT illegal.

What's the civil offence? It's not a breach of copyright because all a link is is a direction to information held elsewhere. So the liability lies with whoever hosts the document. Anyone and his brother can link to it without liability.

[avl]

Thank God they didn't go down the post modern "ironic" Bond theme pastiche that fan favourites like Goldfrapp would have delivered.

Fact is, this song may not be the best song ever, but it is reflective of and congruent with the tone and style of this re-imagined, muscular Bond. I wont be listening to it much outside the film itself though.

I too don't think you can be that objective about music - for me it is one of the most subjective art forms there is. You either like it or you don't - it speaks to you, or it doesn't. You can learn to admire the chord structure and the counterpoint, but if it doesn't reach you, it won't help much. I'd have got Interpol, The Editors, Arcade Fire or the Killers to do it - because those are the bands I like right now.

I'm far more worried about the score; Arnold for me has always been colourless and unoriginal, the generic sound of Bond in the Brosnan era has been one of the greatest crimes that we have had to endure IMO. Eric Serra was far better . I hope he does something different; I hope he does something I like. But my gut feeling is that he should have been binned, and I hope like P&W he will be binned for the next one.

[Thunderfinger]

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[spynovelfan]

It doesn't have enough edge. And it's definitely not metal, as a few folks have labeled it. And this is what stops me from loving the song. I like most of the lyrics, and I like portions of the music, but whenever I feel like it's about to cut loose its energy, the orchestra comes in and swamps it out, striving to add that "Bond" feel. Perhaps, as I said in an earlier post, if they had not felt the need to do this, and let the song be a bit edgier, a bit less obviously Bond, it would have been better. As it is, it just sounds like slick, over-orchestrated Bond pop. Which doesn't make it bad, or mean I don't like it, it just isn't what I was hoping for.

There's no pleasing Bond fans, is there? A few short weeks ago, we had threads asking who the hell this Cornell guy was and wasn't it a little crazy of them to not be using U2, Christina Aguilera or Shirley Bassey. Now he's not edgy enough, and this is just 'slick over-orchestrated Bond pop'!

Well, each to their own. But compared to what we were all expecting to have a few months ago - back when the idea of Chris Cornell doing the Bond theme was unimaginable - I can't agree that it is *that* slick or pop for a Bond theme. I mean, the sell-outs! They didn't use The Jesus Lizard!

I think we can all be very snobby about this and no doubt we will continue to be because we're Bond fans and absolutely nothing satisfies us. We could spend years crying out for them to give us something that is more suspenseful, character-driven, darker, with real locations, a lead actor with some menace, a script that dares to emote, scream for them to change the formula, ditch the reliance on gadgets and innuendos with Moneypenny. They could give it all to us and more and we would continue to bitch about it, because we're Bond fans and we're never satisfied. They could give us a period adaptation and we'd be moaning that it 'looked a bit too much like 1955 rather than 1953', because we're Bond fans and we're never satisfied.

I think this absolutely rocks, and I'm delighted we have got a great song again. This Bond fan is satisfied.

[K1Bond007]

There's no pleasing Bond fans, is there? A few short weeks ago, we had threads asking who the hell this Cornell guy was and wasn't it a little crazy of them to not be using U2, Christina Aguilera or Shirley Bassey. Now he's not edgy enough, and this is just 'slick over-orchestrated Bond pop'!

Well, each to their own. But compared to what we were all expecting to have a few months ago - back when the idea of Chris Cornell doing the Bond theme was unimaginable - I can't agree that it is *that* slick or pop for a Bond theme. I mean, the sell-outs! They didn't use The Jesus Lizard!

I think we can all be very snobby about this and no doubt we will continue to be because we're Bond fans and absolutely nothing satisfies us. We could spend years crying out for them to give us something that is more suspensful, character-driven, darker, with real locations, a lead actor with menace, a script that dares to emote, scream for them to change the formula, ditch the reliance on gadgets and innunendos with Moneypenny. They could give it all to us and more and we would continue to bitch about it, because we're Bond fans and we're never satisfied. They could give us a period adaptation and we'd be moaning that it 'looked a bit too much like 1955 rather than 1953', because we're Bond fans and we're never satisfied.

I think this absolutely rocks, and I'm delighted we have got a great song again. This Bond fan is satisfied.

It's so true. Bond fans are splintered anyway. It's why they can't listen to "us." There really is no "us" in "this." I mean half the fans want a comedic Roger Moore again and the other half wants to kick the out of that first half for even coming up with that idea. That right there says it all.

Great post spynovelfan It's all true.

[avl]

That's not legally correct. The release of the song has nothing to do with how lawful it is to link to it. In fact it is not an offence, civil or criminal to listen to it. It may well be to retain the file on your computer, certainly in the UK it is, however linking to it or listenning to it are two things that break no laws, civil or criminal, in the UK.

Hmmm. Linking to a copyright work without authorisation is likely to be a breach of copyright. The act of listening obviously isn't, but the streaming/downloading of the work is.

Linking to it is NOT illegal.

What's the civil offence? It's not a breach of copyright because all a link is is a direction to information held elsewhere. So the liability lies with whoever hosts the document. Anyone and his brother can link to it without liability.

It could be argued to be a breach of the making available/communication to the public right.

[dee-bee-five]

Oh dear. Come back Madonna, all is forgiven.

Of course, I have no idea who this Cornell creature is. But on this evidence, I won't be rushing out to buy any albums soon.

Edited by dee-bee-five, 22 September 2006 - 07:57 PM.

[Loomis]

I mean, the sell-outs! They didn't use The Jesus Lizard!

LOL!

[dee-bee-five]

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[Loomis]

It's so true. Bond fans are splintered anyway. It's why they can't listen to "us." There really is no "us" in "this."

Very, very, very true indeed. That's why I always go like this - - whenever it's said that Eon should "listen to the fans". Listen to which fans?

[bernsmartin007]

[quote name='Thunderfinger' post='611864' date='22 September 2006 - 20:08']
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[Thunderfinger]

Probably, the song itself is illegal in some country or other...

[Loque]

Aided by a few drinks I'm listening to this song over and over and starting to really like it. I'm a rock fan anyway though. I did wonder for a moment if it wasn't a bit too Bon Jovi-esque - the chorus seems to want to scream "Whoa we're halfway there! Whoa! Livin' on a prayer!".

The verses of this one put me in mind of a rocked up version of the Garbage Bond theme. Maybe it's just David Arnold's influence?

Anyway, I have now decided I like it!

[MooreisMore]

The first decent theme since the 80s. I LOVE it.

[Ouroboros]

First off, just in quick response to Spynovelfan's response to my post (would that make this a response cubed? ), I was excited about Cornell from the get-go. I like Audioslave so...I was hoping for something a little more like their usual. Even if it is technically just a quarter of Audioslave. But with all that said, I don't hate the song, I just don't love it. But yet again, I don't particularly "love" any Bond themes (except OHMSS).

Second, about there being no "us" in the Bond fan world anymore, I do agree with that. Sadly, the internet has led to a sort of hyper-polarization. I'm pretty sure if all the people here on CBn met regularly in person, we'd stil be divided, but people wouldn't be quite so...um...intense? So it's an internet thing. But again, for the record, I consider myself together in Bond solidarity with most if not all fans, even the ones who like AVTAK (though whether they feel the same way is a different matter ).

[Publius]

You know what I meant, I'm afraid I believe you can objectively say that music is good or bad, just as you do with literature, but I'm fine with the bad music because some people still like it. As it happens, plenty of the music I like falls into the bad category, but I still like it and that doesn't stop me appreciating that it's bad music, just as Mills & Boon is bad literature. Similarly, there's plenty of stuff that I know is good, I just don't like it. Knew I'd get jumped on for that post, though .

Fair enough, although I still disagree (what a surprise, huh? ). I suppose the parallel for me would be saying something like "Shakespeare is good, but I don't like it", but quite frankly I do think it's actually bad most of the time. I'm just one for lining up my interpretation of "good" and "bad" (as they're still value judgments, and nothing but) with what I like and don't. All this is dealing with the extremes, obviously, as I'll say something's "okay" if I find I like it "so-so". Yet the point stands even there. Musical quality is subjective. IMNSHO, of course.

In my experience everyone goes wild when LALD comes on. It's probably one of the most universally popular songs I can think of.

I agree, but aside from some people mangling the lyrics, I don't see many "rocking out" to it. Maybe I just hang out with a bunch of squares.

Seriously though, I'm into soul, jazz, hip-hop (not rap), and rock, with the last three preferably instrumental. My friends are into anything from Latin music to 80s pop to dance/techno to reggae, so imagine there being a consensus on anything there. It's truly the most subjective art form, experience, whatever I have ever encountered. No surprise to me that this is more divisive than blond hair and a wrinkled face.

[Matt_13]

It's not really like the LALD song we were told is it, does anyone else feel this has more of an AVTAK feel to it? In anycase I love it.

[Gabe Vieira]

Very simply, I really like "You Know My Name" as a song, but as a Bond song on the other hand, I find it very dull and lacking any real emotion. However, it is very different from much of the past Bond themes, which is nice. Still on the fence.

[Shadow Syndicate]

I hate it. 100%. Die Another day was better than this and thats saying alot. For CR I was really hoping for something pure Orchrastral. Like The Opening titles for From Russia With Love or OHMSS. Its going to completely ruin the OT.

Edited by The Shadow Syndicate, 23 September 2006 - 12:23 AM.