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[Publius]

The best thing to do, is throw out all expectations. I was expecting something way different when I hit play on the file I had...and I was still shocked (not in a bad way though). Honestly though, it does take one or two listens to get used to, this literally is nothing we've ever heard before associated with the Bond series.

Yeah, I think someone else already pointed this out, but I think much of the shock comes from our own personal expectations for a Chris Cornell song entitled "You Know My Name" and which would serve as the theme for the most radical Bond movie in years. Once you get that out of the way, you can appreciate (or dislike) the song on its own merits.

I doubt many people had such concrete ideas about what "Die Another Day" or "The World is not Enough" were going to sound like.

Actually, the other Brosnan garbage, especially the ones written by David Arnold (as well as ALL the other 21 Bond songs, and I'm including even Never Say Never Again), have a major advantage over YKMN: you could sing and whistle along.

If I could whistle, I'm positive I'd have an easier time whistling YKMN than NSNA, not to mention most of other the Bond songs. For me, I think TLD is the only one among them all that's natural to whistle.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, and excuse me if I do, but only the new Top 10 generation could narrow down a cinematic feel to the description "orchestra and horns", and call YKMN "emotionally charged".

Once again, people can love this song as much as they want to, I have no problem with that. But that doesn't mean YKMN is appropriate and deserves the praise.

Can you cease with the lazy generalizations already? And the egotistical proclamation of your opinion as fact?

[Johnboy007]

Believe it or not I have whistled and hummed bits of YKMN over the last few days.

[kmclory]

This theme is complete and total trash! I sure hope this is not the final version and that they plan on reworking it a little for the film version. Similar to how Barry added orchestrations to the original concept of the AVTAK theme. If they do that, than I could see it working.

As it stands now, though, there is nothing special or unique about this song. It sounds like any random song played on a radio. That's the issue here, not that the sound is a new style (I'm not looking for a Goldfinger clone here), but that it doesn't stand out. LALD theme was certainly a new direction, but it was a good song and different from anything else playing at the time.

Die Another Day was a 100 times better than this theme, and that was one of my least favorite of the entire series. If this is a preview of what we're to expect in the movie, than I'd say they've just killed James Bond.

[Dunph]

Steady on. The theme may be bad, but for me it doesn't damage the film in any way.

In the film I'm sure they'll make the most of it, but as a song it's wrong, and as a Bond song it's more wrong. Not "revamped", or a "new direction", just wrong. There are plenty of good rock acts out there with a disctinctive sound who - I feel- could have made an excellent job of the honour of being the sound to launch Daniel Craig: Muse being one suggestion.

[bernsmartin007]

Die Another Day was a 100 times better than this theme, and that was one of my least favorite of the entire series. If this is a preview of what we're to expect in the movie, than I'd say they've just killed James Bond.

Typical over the top fanatics, they don't like something about the new film therefore Bond is dead forever.

Bond has been utterly awful in the 60's and 70's, far worse than this looks to be and this film will be in a different class above the last one. Bond is still here.

[richyawyingtmv]

Muse being one suggestion.

Not keen on muse whatsoever.

Their 2nd and 3rd albums were great. But then, what on earth happened? Matt Bellamy seemed to have completely lost it and churned out one of the most dissapointing albums I've ever heard. It's pathetic compared to 'Absolution' (which even then, didn't even match up to the weakest of Radiohead's efforts).

Radiohead for a Bond theme though...now THAT would be good.

[DaveBond21]

Yeah, I have just heard it, and I like it.

Good song, it is going to grow on me. And when we hear it in the cinema, well, it will sound amazing!!!

[stamper]

I finally decided to get hold of it...

I like the opening and the ending. The rest sounds awfully like "EMO", with some chords borrowed from Soundgarden hit "Black Hole Sun".

For those not into punk and rock, "EMO" is regarded as the worst and unbearable forms of punk rock, where the nerdy bands sings their heart out, choirs pouring about their lost girl friends and the way they hurt their feelings. Of course it's all radio friendly and very unmacho, even thought I hear EMO guys scores the girls better than hard hitting punks, with their "sensitive" looks and talks (which mean non look, jeans, glasses, depressed attitude, like "I'm in paiiinnnnnnn". An unfortunate event of the Nirvana "Paiiiinnnnnnn" latter songs). "Pussy" would be the macho, texan insult hurled at those guys from Texans beer drinkers

Here's a video making fun of emo Mod note, : this is not 007 related and is an original work posted by the author on youtube.

How To Be EMO

Thought I can see the rationale in putting out an EMO - like song (CR is after all about Bond's heart being broken), it's a bit ignoring the whole hard hitting action the movie is also about, and that Bond is a character that overcome his emotions, rather than one who let himself led down by them.

It's a decent song, but very retro then, EMO is already a thing a of the past, the future is pure, unalterated, retro-futuristic punk rock, not, as some poster noted, this very 80's style.

To be in with the time, EON should have made a deal with Jack White from the White Stripes & Raconteurs, or someone like that, more in with the times, and less of the past.
What about this "5mn into the future" motto that was ? It seems they are again 5mn into the past, with the opening song at least.

I agree they should have gotten OASIS today, or Noel Gallagher solo. They are more in with the times, than old Grunge - EMO americans of the past decade living on borrowed times after the old "glory" days. Grunge is dead. Live and let die with it.

Edited by stamper, 24 September 2006 - 07:09 AM.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Never thought I'd EVER say this, but Madonna's DAD song is a Bond song compared to this....this...this....THIS!!

OK, after a few listens I'm starting to change my mind on this song.

Yes, it's a "song" to me now and not just a "this".

I kinda like it now, but I really want to listen to it over the opening credits in a cinema to try and appreciate it more.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I hate emo as much as the next guy, but I hate to break it to you, stamper, YKMN is not in the slightest bit emo.

I'm sure you'll find another reason to hate it, and by all means do so, but no need to start pretending it is something it isn't.

[richyawyingtmv]

Fallout Boy and Panic! at the Disco are emo.

Chris Cornell is not.

YKMN is NOT (and I repeat) NOT an emo song. Cornell/Audioslave have even stated before their dislike for the 'genre'.

And believe me, I know what I'm talking about. Nearly all my friends are emo (unfortunately), and Chris Cornell is definately not emo to them.

So don't say it is emo when it blatantly is not.

[Niwram]

EMO PEOPLE ROCK!

An unfortunate event of the Nirvana "Paiiiinnnnnnn" latter songs

That song is awesome!

Edited by Niwram, 24 September 2006 - 10:22 AM.

[stamper]

hahaha, well, this sounds emoish to me, tought of course it's not plain, full on EMO. Sorry if it didn't come clear in my post (I don't master perfectly the english language) ! What I meant it emo overtones. Certainly not full on as you say.

[Gri007]

The opening bars remind me of the OHMSS theme.

It is very catchy, and I can see some parts of the song working well into the score.

[Orion]

i wonder when they'll release the music video for it? and i wonder if it'll feature any new footage?

when will CBN add YKMN to the favourite title song selection bit on your personal profile

[SecretAgentFan]

[quote name='JimmyBond' post='612636' date='23 September 2006 - 16:59']
[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='612632' date='23 September 2006 - 11:52']

I have no problem with people disliking the song. I just don

[Johnboy007]

hahaha, well, this sounds emoish to me, tought of course it's not plain, full on EMO. Sorry if it didn't come clear in my post (I don't master perfectly the english language) ! What I meant it emo overtones. Certainly not full on as you say.

Yeah, it's too upbeat and loud for an Emo song. I can see how the lyrics are a bit Emo-ish, but not enough for the tight-denimed and suicidal crowd to like it.

Folks like The Fray () and Death Cab () wish they could be this good.

[gkgyver]

[quote]I have no problem with people disliking the song. I just don

[Orion]

my senses tell me something wicked This way comes (look below)

damn too late

[Orion]

i've now let a few people hear YKMN, (Some who are Bond fans, some who aren't) and they have all loved it for the simple reason that it is different but there is still something (in my sister's words) "Epic and cinematic" about it

[Santa]

That's weird, I played it for some people and they sniggered. When I explained it was for CR, they said that as a fan I must be a bit gutted (They were right).

[Orion]

to each their own i guess

[Orion]

so when will CBN add YKMN to the favourite title song selection bit on your personal profile.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

[quote name='gkgyver' post='613100' date='24 September 2006 - 22:47']
[quote]I have no problem with people disliking the song. I just don

[Thunderfinger]

Is that a fact, Teddy?
Or just your opinion?

[Publius]

Is that a fact, Teddy?
Or just your opinion?

It's a fact that opinions aren't fact.

I'll believe otherwise the moment gkgyver can establish the seemingly elusive objective criteria for what constitutes "quality" music, instead of resorting to loudly repeating that what he says is right and what others say is wrong.

[DaveBond21]

I like it. Like the guitars and I think it is a little different from other Bond themes. It is most like Live and Let Die I suppose, with a hint of TMWTGG. Honestly!

Does anyone think this is going to date quickly? I know there is a retro element to it anyway, but I think it is going to sound old-fashioned fast. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing.

[rogermoore007]

damn good theme, although I'm biased because I'm a huge soundgarden fan and audioslave ain't bad either.....great stuff, bond needed some rock after that madonna crap

Edited by rogermoore007, 25 September 2006 - 12:09 AM.

[DaveBond21]

Well, I have always thought that "Black Hole Sun" is an amazing song. With a fantastic & pyschedelic video to go with it.

[gkgyver]

I'll believe otherwise the moment gkgyver can establish the seemingly elusive objective criteria for what constitutes "quality" music, instead of resorting to loudly repeating that what he says is right and what others say is wrong.

I don't think you want to get my point, really. You say the song is good, I say it's bad, and those are both opinions that should respected. And I've never said someone who thinks it's good is a jerk or something.
But both of those opinions can't be right. One of them just has to be wrong. Just take this song to a trained and educated musician, and he'll tell you it's MUSICALLY average. What is so egocentrical about me pointing that out?
You may ignore that, and not even be interested in it since you like the song, but liking the song doesn't make it good; it makes it appealing to you.

A song is a musical product, and to evaluate it you have to look at its musical qualities. And Bond music has always had a musical standard that was well above the rest, and that this song doesn't match.

I can definitely see what David Arnold meant with his OHMSS comparison, though.