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[Monsieur B]

That wasn't the point. You would think a website reporting news regardless would try and keep a neutral point of view and some sort of journalistic integrity instead of resorting to insults. I have nothing against reviews on the frontpage, but if that's what you're doing then you should label it as such instead of passing it off as news. Good reporting though, I guess I know what to expect from CBn in the future.

Whatever.

I quite agree concerning that brand of 'journalism'.

I hate bringing it up, but I'm sure some of you remember the little attention we got concerning the 'What Are You Blaming Daniel Craig For Today?' thread? That was indeed a low day for us, and now this 'article' is stamped on our front page for ALL to see. I'm sure we'll get much better attention for this.

Good going.

And I also agree that the line is (if not should be) "the coldest blood runs through my veins" as the other interpretation of it is an ugly oxymoron.

Edited by Monsieur B, 22 September 2006 - 04:52 AM.

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#333 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 04:59 AM

Well as I said, 'it should be'.

It only makes sense that way.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:01 AM

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:03 AM

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:04 AM

Well, to put it simple: The song is rubbish. It's just an ordinary radio pop song you hear everyday in your local stations. I'm still wondering were the heavy guitars are. I hope the rest of song is something totally different and heavier. A mix of different styles would work, but if the whole song is the same, mid-tempo emo stuff - then this is the worst title song yet.

Edited by karri, 22 September 2006 - 05:06 AM.

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#337 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:06 AM

I read that line as an oxymoron and in some instances, it works - not in this case, I think. Coldness can't burn, per se. It may feel like burning, but it really isn't. I just prefer to think of it as "the coldest blood runs through my veins".

Even if the vowels and consonants aren't heard.

Heh, funny how we're bickering over one measly line in a song. Well, maybe not bickering.

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#338 Harmsway

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:13 AM

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:20 AM

I guess this is simply a matter of I say it' toe-may-toe', you say it 'toe-ma-toe'.

Well what about this: I hear the line as "By the merciless eyes of deceit" rather than "eyes I've deceived".

What say you to that, eh?

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#340 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:23 AM

We're a fan site. In a fan site I actually like to see some fan opinion rather than a twatty little wiki featuring pages upon pages of bland guff, so I approach my news articles with that in my mind foremost. We're not some news institution bound by some code to give impartial, beige facts. I was motivated by my absolute horror at this laughably poor plastic rock Bond theme, I sat down to write the article. My article was biased. Whoops. At least I have some passion about what I write, give me that.

Lighten up, make up your own mind and stop taking a holier-than-thou approach to everything. Or are you standing in for Darren today?

Nobody's questioning your passion, fandom, or your opinion on the song. Or at least I'm not. Its a song, and like every song ever sung, not everyone was going to like it. IMHO the editorial just lacks class. I've always seen CBN as the mature, reasonable place on the net for Bond discussion, compared to the horrors of other Bond boards, where "suck" and "gay" are the most sophisticated critiques, but upon reading the news article which features phrases like "wet " and "fetid turd", the site just dropped to the embarrassing level of AJB, or God help us, imdb level discussion.

Edit - Funny (and a bit hypocritical) how the F word for breaking wind is censored in this forum, yet is allowed to appear in the leading news article on the front page?

Exactly, Dino.

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#341 Publius

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:24 AM

At some point during music discussions, opinion doesn't matter anymore. You can look at a Miklos Rosza piece, compare it to one of Hans Zimmer's, and objectively say that Rosza's are more sophisticated. There's no discussion needed, it's just there.

Wow, you decreed this to be objective fact and not a matter of opinion, and that makes it so. What a way to "resolve" the debate once and for all. Kudos to you.

Seriously, I can imagine you clasping your ears while loudly proclaiming that. It's just downright ludicrous to suggest there is no discussion to be had about something that is by definition a matter of differing tastes.

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#342 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:27 AM

I suppose the only way to quell these lyrical debates is to wait until the official liner notes are released. Only then shall we know the truth. Or something close to it at least.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:32 AM

[quote name='Loomis' post='611165' date='21 September 2006 - 21:20']
[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='610838' date='21 September 2006 - 16:46']
[quote name='Loomis' post='610770' date='21 September 2006 - 13:42']
Sorry (although I don't know why I'm apologising), but my final verdict is this: "You Know My Name" is, by a considerable distance, the worst James Bond song ever. Ever. So, yes, that includes that FYEO poolside disco number that goes "Push it! Push it good!" or whatever, and even "Dirty Love".

Yes, there are a couple of good things about it (MTM mentioned the Ian Brown-style trumpets, and I concur), but, overall, it's horrible. It sounds like a speeded-up version of Spinal Tap's "Rock & Roll Creation" meeting Arnold's usual hamfisted treatment of The James Bond Theme, with hilariously crap lyrics and vocals that sound as though they were recorded while being beaten up by Daniel Craig in a "bathroom". It's hideous and inappropriate beyond belief.

Now, I still think CASINO ROYALE will be a good film, but, with all due respect to anyone who may be due any, I do believe they dropped the ball on the song. Yes, considerably.
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I respect your opinion, Loomis. But worse than the FYEO poolside disco number or "Dirty Love"? You

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:42 AM

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

Sounds like "The coal horse plums fur my veins"; which makes perfect sense to me.

But then I am quite old. And whacked out of my skull. Modern music - you just can't hear all the words, and why do they do so much shrieking?

I fear for Mr Cornell's sore throat at the end. Is he a stranger to Strepsils?

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#345 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:52 AM

I wouldn't imagine so.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:59 AM

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#347 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:02 AM

Well, you know musicians and their drugs.

They like their drugs.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:33 AM

What bothers me about it is that it's not 'cock rock', that at least has some personality, it's 'dad rock'. Oh, and the much vomited over front page article did also state quite clearly that plenty of people liked it, did some of you not bother to read those parts?

And I realise I'll probably get stabbed for this, but there is such a thing as 'good music' and 'bad music'. I realise most of it is subjective, and thank goodness or we'd all be listening to the same thing. However, can anyone actually try and tell me that Lindsay Lohan tunes are as good, musically as the Rolling Stones? Some people like them, and that's nice for them, but really, opinion or not, some music is better than other music. Those who succeed in putting LiLo up there with the good stuff can sit and compare this with LALD, but can any of you same people actually see anyone playing air guitar and screeching to YKNM thirty years from now?

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#349 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:42 AM

I do remember the two lines pointing out the positive which were followed by the greatly drawn-out negatives which compared the song to male genitalia, feces and gas expulsion from the anus.

I would have much preferred that it simply stated 'Some like it. Some don't.' and left it at that. Less is more.

Edited by Monsieur B, 22 September 2006 - 06:43 AM.

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#350 Max Zorin

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:54 AM

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:03 AM

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

Yeah, I thought that came off as pretty unprofessional, but I guess that is the author's choice.

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#352 Jim

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:13 AM

Hang on a midgey mo - where did we say we were impartial journalists? That label seems to have been thrust upon us. If we were holding ourselves out as some sort of torchbearer for dispassionate reporting, then there may be a point here. But we haven't - or not to my knowledge - so there isn't.

Evidently the piece is an opinion - does it really need "This is an Opinion" stamped across it? Work it out for yourselves. Stuff telling you that some cardboard tat is now shipping is unlikely to engender any editorial, admittedly.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

If anyone wants to write a rebuttal piece, fine, go ahead. Do what you like.

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#353 marktmurphy

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:33 AM

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:37 AM

I didn

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:39 AM

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

I dunno - ever seen any Star Wars sites? Vicious, they are. And anything remotely connected with any football team, too.

Seems to be the norm that fan sites go for the jugular!

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:01 AM

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:38 AM

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

Ahhh, I see that as reason why it's not a grower

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:45 AM

Dirty Love meets Live And Let Die. With a bit of Whitesnake thrown in.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:46 AM

Not sure if this has been said before but I just saw on a JoBlo forum on the song the tip to take off 'lite' from the original website address from AICN for a clearer version. sorry if this has already been posted.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM

Uh, hey everybody: whomever pays for the website can do whatever they want with it. You don't like it, don't visit. Dude wrote a review. Deal.

Edited by blueman, 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM.

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[Monsieur B]

Well as I said, 'it should be'.

It only makes sense that way.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:03 AM

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:04 AM

Well, to put it simple: The song is rubbish. It's just an ordinary radio pop song you hear everyday in your local stations. I'm still wondering were the heavy guitars are. I hope the rest of song is something totally different and heavier. A mix of different styles would work, but if the whole song is the same, mid-tempo emo stuff - then this is the worst title song yet.

Edited by karri, 22 September 2006 - 05:06 AM.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:06 AM

I read that line as an oxymoron and in some instances, it works - not in this case, I think. Coldness can't burn, per se. It may feel like burning, but it really isn't. I just prefer to think of it as "the coldest blood runs through my veins".

Even if the vowels and consonants aren't heard.

Heh, funny how we're bickering over one measly line in a song. Well, maybe not bickering.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:13 AM

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:20 AM

I guess this is simply a matter of I say it' toe-may-toe', you say it 'toe-ma-toe'.

Well what about this: I hear the line as "By the merciless eyes of deceit" rather than "eyes I've deceived".

What say you to that, eh?

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:23 AM

We're a fan site. In a fan site I actually like to see some fan opinion rather than a twatty little wiki featuring pages upon pages of bland guff, so I approach my news articles with that in my mind foremost. We're not some news institution bound by some code to give impartial, beige facts. I was motivated by my absolute horror at this laughably poor plastic rock Bond theme, I sat down to write the article. My article was biased. Whoops. At least I have some passion about what I write, give me that.

Lighten up, make up your own mind and stop taking a holier-than-thou approach to everything. Or are you standing in for Darren today?

Nobody's questioning your passion, fandom, or your opinion on the song. Or at least I'm not. Its a song, and like every song ever sung, not everyone was going to like it. IMHO the editorial just lacks class. I've always seen CBN as the mature, reasonable place on the net for Bond discussion, compared to the horrors of other Bond boards, where "suck" and "gay" are the most sophisticated critiques, but upon reading the news article which features phrases like "wet " and "fetid turd", the site just dropped to the embarrassing level of AJB, or God help us, imdb level discussion.

Edit - Funny (and a bit hypocritical) how the F word for breaking wind is censored in this forum, yet is allowed to appear in the leading news article on the front page?

Exactly, Dino.

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#341 Publius

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:24 AM

At some point during music discussions, opinion doesn't matter anymore. You can look at a Miklos Rosza piece, compare it to one of Hans Zimmer's, and objectively say that Rosza's are more sophisticated. There's no discussion needed, it's just there.

Wow, you decreed this to be objective fact and not a matter of opinion, and that makes it so. What a way to "resolve" the debate once and for all. Kudos to you.

Seriously, I can imagine you clasping your ears while loudly proclaiming that. It's just downright ludicrous to suggest there is no discussion to be had about something that is by definition a matter of differing tastes.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:27 AM

I suppose the only way to quell these lyrical debates is to wait until the official liner notes are released. Only then shall we know the truth. Or something close to it at least.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:32 AM

[quote name='Loomis' post='611165' date='21 September 2006 - 21:20']
[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='610838' date='21 September 2006 - 16:46']
[quote name='Loomis' post='610770' date='21 September 2006 - 13:42']
Sorry (although I don't know why I'm apologising), but my final verdict is this: "You Know My Name" is, by a considerable distance, the worst James Bond song ever. Ever. So, yes, that includes that FYEO poolside disco number that goes "Push it! Push it good!" or whatever, and even "Dirty Love".

Yes, there are a couple of good things about it (MTM mentioned the Ian Brown-style trumpets, and I concur), but, overall, it's horrible. It sounds like a speeded-up version of Spinal Tap's "Rock & Roll Creation" meeting Arnold's usual hamfisted treatment of The James Bond Theme, with hilariously crap lyrics and vocals that sound as though they were recorded while being beaten up by Daniel Craig in a "bathroom". It's hideous and inappropriate beyond belief.

Now, I still think CASINO ROYALE will be a good film, but, with all due respect to anyone who may be due any, I do believe they dropped the ball on the song. Yes, considerably.
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I respect your opinion, Loomis. But worse than the FYEO poolside disco number or "Dirty Love"? You

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:42 AM

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

Sounds like "The coal horse plums fur my veins"; which makes perfect sense to me.

But then I am quite old. And whacked out of my skull. Modern music - you just can't hear all the words, and why do they do so much shrieking?

I fear for Mr Cornell's sore throat at the end. Is he a stranger to Strepsils?

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#345 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:52 AM

I wouldn't imagine so.

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#347 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:02 AM

Well, you know musicians and their drugs.

They like their drugs.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:33 AM

What bothers me about it is that it's not 'cock rock', that at least has some personality, it's 'dad rock'. Oh, and the much vomited over front page article did also state quite clearly that plenty of people liked it, did some of you not bother to read those parts?

And I realise I'll probably get stabbed for this, but there is such a thing as 'good music' and 'bad music'. I realise most of it is subjective, and thank goodness or we'd all be listening to the same thing. However, can anyone actually try and tell me that Lindsay Lohan tunes are as good, musically as the Rolling Stones? Some people like them, and that's nice for them, but really, opinion or not, some music is better than other music. Those who succeed in putting LiLo up there with the good stuff can sit and compare this with LALD, but can any of you same people actually see anyone playing air guitar and screeching to YKNM thirty years from now?

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#349 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:42 AM

I do remember the two lines pointing out the positive which were followed by the greatly drawn-out negatives which compared the song to male genitalia, feces and gas expulsion from the anus.

I would have much preferred that it simply stated 'Some like it. Some don't.' and left it at that. Less is more.

Edited by Monsieur B, 22 September 2006 - 06:43 AM.

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#350 Max Zorin

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:54 AM

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

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#351 Mr Teddy Bear

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:03 AM

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

Yeah, I thought that came off as pretty unprofessional, but I guess that is the author's choice.

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#352 Jim

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:13 AM

Hang on a midgey mo - where did we say we were impartial journalists? That label seems to have been thrust upon us. If we were holding ourselves out as some sort of torchbearer for dispassionate reporting, then there may be a point here. But we haven't - or not to my knowledge - so there isn't.

Evidently the piece is an opinion - does it really need "This is an Opinion" stamped across it? Work it out for yourselves. Stuff telling you that some cardboard tat is now shipping is unlikely to engender any editorial, admittedly.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

If anyone wants to write a rebuttal piece, fine, go ahead. Do what you like.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:33 AM

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:37 AM

I didn

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#355 Jim

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:39 AM

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

I dunno - ever seen any Star Wars sites? Vicious, they are. And anything remotely connected with any football team, too.

Seems to be the norm that fan sites go for the jugular!

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:01 AM

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:38 AM

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

Ahhh, I see that as reason why it's not a grower

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#358 ACE

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:45 AM

Dirty Love meets Live And Let Die. With a bit of Whitesnake thrown in.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:46 AM

Not sure if this has been said before but I just saw on a JoBlo forum on the song the tip to take off 'lite' from the original website address from AICN for a clearer version. sorry if this has already been posted.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM

Uh, hey everybody: whomever pays for the website can do whatever they want with it. You don't like it, don't visit. Dude wrote a review. Deal.

Edited by blueman, 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM.

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[Cody]

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

[karri]

Well, to put it simple: The song is rubbish. It's just an ordinary radio pop song you hear everyday in your local stations. I'm still wondering were the heavy guitars are. I hope the rest of song is something totally different and heavier. A mix of different styles would work, but if the whole song is the same, mid-tempo emo stuff - then this is the worst title song yet.

Edited by karri, 22 September 2006 - 05:06 AM.

[Monsieur B]

I read that line as an oxymoron and in some instances, it works - not in this case, I think. Coldness can't burn, per se. It may feel like burning, but it really isn't. I just prefer to think of it as "the coldest blood runs through my veins".

Even if the vowels and consonants aren't heard.

Heh, funny how we're bickering over one measly line in a song. Well, maybe not bickering.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:20 AM

I guess this is simply a matter of I say it' toe-may-toe', you say it 'toe-ma-toe'.

Well what about this: I hear the line as "By the merciless eyes of deceit" rather than "eyes I've deceived".

What say you to that, eh?

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#340 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:23 AM

We're a fan site. In a fan site I actually like to see some fan opinion rather than a twatty little wiki featuring pages upon pages of bland guff, so I approach my news articles with that in my mind foremost. We're not some news institution bound by some code to give impartial, beige facts. I was motivated by my absolute horror at this laughably poor plastic rock Bond theme, I sat down to write the article. My article was biased. Whoops. At least I have some passion about what I write, give me that.

Lighten up, make up your own mind and stop taking a holier-than-thou approach to everything. Or are you standing in for Darren today?

Nobody's questioning your passion, fandom, or your opinion on the song. Or at least I'm not. Its a song, and like every song ever sung, not everyone was going to like it. IMHO the editorial just lacks class. I've always seen CBN as the mature, reasonable place on the net for Bond discussion, compared to the horrors of other Bond boards, where "suck" and "gay" are the most sophisticated critiques, but upon reading the news article which features phrases like "wet " and "fetid turd", the site just dropped to the embarrassing level of AJB, or God help us, imdb level discussion.

Edit - Funny (and a bit hypocritical) how the F word for breaking wind is censored in this forum, yet is allowed to appear in the leading news article on the front page?

Exactly, Dino.

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#341 Publius

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:24 AM

At some point during music discussions, opinion doesn't matter anymore. You can look at a Miklos Rosza piece, compare it to one of Hans Zimmer's, and objectively say that Rosza's are more sophisticated. There's no discussion needed, it's just there.

Wow, you decreed this to be objective fact and not a matter of opinion, and that makes it so. What a way to "resolve" the debate once and for all. Kudos to you.

Seriously, I can imagine you clasping your ears while loudly proclaiming that. It's just downright ludicrous to suggest there is no discussion to be had about something that is by definition a matter of differing tastes.

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#342 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:27 AM

I suppose the only way to quell these lyrical debates is to wait until the official liner notes are released. Only then shall we know the truth. Or something close to it at least.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:32 AM

[quote name='Loomis' post='611165' date='21 September 2006 - 21:20']
[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='610838' date='21 September 2006 - 16:46']
[quote name='Loomis' post='610770' date='21 September 2006 - 13:42']
Sorry (although I don't know why I'm apologising), but my final verdict is this: "You Know My Name" is, by a considerable distance, the worst James Bond song ever. Ever. So, yes, that includes that FYEO poolside disco number that goes "Push it! Push it good!" or whatever, and even "Dirty Love".

Yes, there are a couple of good things about it (MTM mentioned the Ian Brown-style trumpets, and I concur), but, overall, it's horrible. It sounds like a speeded-up version of Spinal Tap's "Rock & Roll Creation" meeting Arnold's usual hamfisted treatment of The James Bond Theme, with hilariously crap lyrics and vocals that sound as though they were recorded while being beaten up by Daniel Craig in a "bathroom". It's hideous and inappropriate beyond belief.

Now, I still think CASINO ROYALE will be a good film, but, with all due respect to anyone who may be due any, I do believe they dropped the ball on the song. Yes, considerably.
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I respect your opinion, Loomis. But worse than the FYEO poolside disco number or "Dirty Love"? You

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:42 AM

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

Sounds like "The coal horse plums fur my veins"; which makes perfect sense to me.

But then I am quite old. And whacked out of my skull. Modern music - you just can't hear all the words, and why do they do so much shrieking?

I fear for Mr Cornell's sore throat at the end. Is he a stranger to Strepsils?

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#345 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 05:52 AM

I wouldn't imagine so.

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#347 Monsieur B

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:02 AM

Well, you know musicians and their drugs.

They like their drugs.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:33 AM

What bothers me about it is that it's not 'cock rock', that at least has some personality, it's 'dad rock'. Oh, and the much vomited over front page article did also state quite clearly that plenty of people liked it, did some of you not bother to read those parts?

And I realise I'll probably get stabbed for this, but there is such a thing as 'good music' and 'bad music'. I realise most of it is subjective, and thank goodness or we'd all be listening to the same thing. However, can anyone actually try and tell me that Lindsay Lohan tunes are as good, musically as the Rolling Stones? Some people like them, and that's nice for them, but really, opinion or not, some music is better than other music. Those who succeed in putting LiLo up there with the good stuff can sit and compare this with LALD, but can any of you same people actually see anyone playing air guitar and screeching to YKNM thirty years from now?

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:42 AM

I do remember the two lines pointing out the positive which were followed by the greatly drawn-out negatives which compared the song to male genitalia, feces and gas expulsion from the anus.

I would have much preferred that it simply stated 'Some like it. Some don't.' and left it at that. Less is more.

Edited by Monsieur B, 22 September 2006 - 06:43 AM.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 06:54 AM

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:03 AM

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

Yeah, I thought that came off as pretty unprofessional, but I guess that is the author's choice.

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#352 Jim

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:13 AM

Hang on a midgey mo - where did we say we were impartial journalists? That label seems to have been thrust upon us. If we were holding ourselves out as some sort of torchbearer for dispassionate reporting, then there may be a point here. But we haven't - or not to my knowledge - so there isn't.

Evidently the piece is an opinion - does it really need "This is an Opinion" stamped across it? Work it out for yourselves. Stuff telling you that some cardboard tat is now shipping is unlikely to engender any editorial, admittedly.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

If anyone wants to write a rebuttal piece, fine, go ahead. Do what you like.

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#353 marktmurphy

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:33 AM

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:37 AM

I didn

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 07:39 AM

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

I dunno - ever seen any Star Wars sites? Vicious, they are. And anything remotely connected with any football team, too.

Seems to be the norm that fan sites go for the jugular!

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:01 AM

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:38 AM

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

Ahhh, I see that as reason why it's not a grower

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:45 AM

Dirty Love meets Live And Let Die. With a bit of Whitesnake thrown in.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 08:46 AM

Not sure if this has been said before but I just saw on a JoBlo forum on the song the tip to take off 'lite' from the original website address from AICN for a clearer version. sorry if this has already been posted.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM

Uh, hey everybody: whomever pays for the website can do whatever they want with it. You don't like it, don't visit. Dude wrote a review. Deal.

Edited by blueman, 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM.

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[Monsieur B]

I guess this is simply a matter of I say it' toe-may-toe', you say it 'toe-ma-toe'.

Well what about this: I hear the line as "By the merciless eyes of deceit" rather than "eyes I've deceived".

What say you to that, eh?

[SecretAgentFan]

We're a fan site. In a fan site I actually like to see some fan opinion rather than a twatty little wiki featuring pages upon pages of bland guff, so I approach my news articles with that in my mind foremost. We're not some news institution bound by some code to give impartial, beige facts. I was motivated by my absolute horror at this laughably poor plastic rock Bond theme, I sat down to write the article. My article was biased. Whoops. At least I have some passion about what I write, give me that.

Lighten up, make up your own mind and stop taking a holier-than-thou approach to everything. Or are you standing in for Darren today?

Nobody's questioning your passion, fandom, or your opinion on the song. Or at least I'm not. Its a song, and like every song ever sung, not everyone was going to like it. IMHO the editorial just lacks class. I've always seen CBN as the mature, reasonable place on the net for Bond discussion, compared to the horrors of other Bond boards, where "suck" and "gay" are the most sophisticated critiques, but upon reading the news article which features phrases like "wet " and "fetid turd", the site just dropped to the embarrassing level of AJB, or God help us, imdb level discussion.

Edit - Funny (and a bit hypocritical) how the F word for breaking wind is censored in this forum, yet is allowed to appear in the leading news article on the front page?

Exactly, Dino.

[Publius]

At some point during music discussions, opinion doesn't matter anymore. You can look at a Miklos Rosza piece, compare it to one of Hans Zimmer's, and objectively say that Rosza's are more sophisticated. There's no discussion needed, it's just there.

Wow, you decreed this to be objective fact and not a matter of opinion, and that makes it so. What a way to "resolve" the debate once and for all. Kudos to you.

Seriously, I can imagine you clasping your ears while loudly proclaiming that. It's just downright ludicrous to suggest there is no discussion to be had about something that is by definition a matter of differing tastes.

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[Monsieur B]

I suppose the only way to quell these lyrical debates is to wait until the official liner notes are released. Only then shall we know the truth. Or something close to it at least.

[SecretAgentFan]

[quote name='Loomis' post='611165' date='21 September 2006 - 21:20']
[quote name='SecretAgentFan' post='610838' date='21 September 2006 - 16:46']
[quote name='Loomis' post='610770' date='21 September 2006 - 13:42']
Sorry (although I don't know why I'm apologising), but my final verdict is this: "You Know My Name" is, by a considerable distance, the worst James Bond song ever. Ever. So, yes, that includes that FYEO poolside disco number that goes "Push it! Push it good!" or whatever, and even "Dirty Love".

Yes, there are a couple of good things about it (MTM mentioned the Ian Brown-style trumpets, and I concur), but, overall, it's horrible. It sounds like a speeded-up version of Spinal Tap's "Rock & Roll Creation" meeting Arnold's usual hamfisted treatment of The James Bond Theme, with hilariously crap lyrics and vocals that sound as though they were recorded while being beaten up by Daniel Craig in a "bathroom". It's hideous and inappropriate beyond belief.

Now, I still think CASINO ROYALE will be a good film, but, with all due respect to anyone who may be due any, I do believe they dropped the ball on the song. Yes, considerably.
[/quote]

I respect your opinion, Loomis. But worse than the FYEO poolside disco number or "Dirty Love"? You

[Jim]

I think "the coldness burns through my veins" makes plenty of sense, even if it's not the best lyric ever written.

And it sounds really cool, which is what really matters.

Sounds like "The coal horse plums fur my veins"; which makes perfect sense to me.

But then I am quite old. And whacked out of my skull. Modern music - you just can't hear all the words, and why do they do so much shrieking?

I fear for Mr Cornell's sore throat at the end. Is he a stranger to Strepsils?

[Monsieur B]

I wouldn't imagine so.

[Jim]

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[Monsieur B]

Well, you know musicians and their drugs.

They like their drugs.

[Santa]

What bothers me about it is that it's not 'cock rock', that at least has some personality, it's 'dad rock'. Oh, and the much vomited over front page article did also state quite clearly that plenty of people liked it, did some of you not bother to read those parts?

And I realise I'll probably get stabbed for this, but there is such a thing as 'good music' and 'bad music'. I realise most of it is subjective, and thank goodness or we'd all be listening to the same thing. However, can anyone actually try and tell me that Lindsay Lohan tunes are as good, musically as the Rolling Stones? Some people like them, and that's nice for them, but really, opinion or not, some music is better than other music. Those who succeed in putting LiLo up there with the good stuff can sit and compare this with LALD, but can any of you same people actually see anyone playing air guitar and screeching to YKNM thirty years from now?

[Monsieur B]

I do remember the two lines pointing out the positive which were followed by the greatly drawn-out negatives which compared the song to male genitalia, feces and gas expulsion from the anus.

I would have much preferred that it simply stated 'Some like it. Some don't.' and left it at that. Less is more.

Edited by Monsieur B, 22 September 2006 - 06:43 AM.

[Max Zorin]

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I just read the main page article on the song's release, and I must say, kudos to CBn for giving an impartial view of it. I'm kidding, of course. You don't like the song? Fine. Opinions are valid. But on a site of this calibre and standing, I would expect at least some form of objective journalism, especially on the main page articles. Lets keep it professional, shall we?

Yeah, I thought that came off as pretty unprofessional, but I guess that is the author's choice.

[Jim]

Hang on a midgey mo - where did we say we were impartial journalists? That label seems to have been thrust upon us. If we were holding ourselves out as some sort of torchbearer for dispassionate reporting, then there may be a point here. But we haven't - or not to my knowledge - so there isn't.

Evidently the piece is an opinion - does it really need "This is an Opinion" stamped across it? Work it out for yourselves. Stuff telling you that some cardboard tat is now shipping is unlikely to engender any editorial, admittedly.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

If anyone wants to write a rebuttal piece, fine, go ahead. Do what you like.

[marktmurphy]

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

[Tuxedo]

I didn

Edited by Tuxedo, 22 September 2006 - 07:38 AM.

[Jim]

So.... is this not big enough news to make the front page? I'm a little confused.

Now I've got my hands on it, look what happens.

Yes; very good! It took a while, but I'm sure the Pokemon joke is probably very funny.

Strangely, there was silence about the (positive) article regarding the second teaser poster (or whatever it is); patently complaining about subjectivity is itself subjective.

Probably because a fan site acting positively towards the object of its affections isn't really a big surprise to anyone.

I dunno - ever seen any Star Wars sites? Vicious, they are. And anything remotely connected with any football team, too.

Seems to be the norm that fan sites go for the jugular!

[ACE]

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

[Santa]

Listen to YKMN and then David Arnold's version of LALD with Chrissie Hynde back to back.

It's a grower...

Ahhh, I see that as reason why it's not a grower

[ACE]

Dirty Love meets Live And Let Die. With a bit of Whitesnake thrown in.

[Dr Nobody]

Not sure if this has been said before but I just saw on a JoBlo forum on the song the tip to take off 'lite' from the original website address from AICN for a clearer version. sorry if this has already been posted.

[blueman]

Uh, hey everybody: whomever pays for the website can do whatever they want with it. You don't like it, don't visit. Dude wrote a review. Deal.

Edited by blueman, 22 September 2006 - 09:04 AM.