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[tdalton]

Casino Royale starring Pierce Brosnan as James Bond playing Celebrity Poker Showdown is going to be the end of the James Bond series as we know it. Cubby used to say why have something in a Bond movie that people can watch on TV for free, yet right now, we're going to be "treated" to a long sequence of Poker for $8.50 when we could all turn on ESPN, Bravo, ESPN2, etc., and see the EXACT SAME THING for FREE!!!!!! That is unacceptable, and EON is on the verge of destroying the Bond franchise if they continue down their current path.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

Sure I don't like it , but I can't see how a poker game destroys the franchise...

[Loeffelholz]

I think this rumour is a load of good ol' Texas crap.

[tdalton]

Sure I don't like it , but I can't see how a poker game destroys the franchise...

Despite my vehement opposition to Pierce Brosnan returning, I was going to at least give the film a chance if there was even the slightest chance that CR would resemble the novel in any way. Now we're seeing that that is not going to be the case. Instead of an elegant, Bond-like game like Baccarat, we're getting a card game that even 12-year olds can probably play. To be honest, I bet that there are some 18 year olds out there that could probably beat James Bond at Poker.

The fact of the matter is, I can't stand watching Poker on TV. I can't stand watching others play it, and I'm not too fond of playing it myself. Baccarat, on the other hand, while confusing, still has a sense of elegance and class to it that Poker never has had and never will. I'm also vehementley opposed to having to pay $8.50 to watch Pierce Brosnan play Poker when I could just wait for him to show up on Celebrity Poker Showdown and watch it for free.

All I can say is that: Pierce Brosnan + Poker= EON & Sony not getting my $8.50 (and yes, I'm aware that they're not the least bit concerned about losing one viewer when they will gain perhaps millions because of this stupid marketing ploy)

[Slaezenger]

Casino Royale starring Pierce Brosnan as James Bond playing Celebrity Poker Showdown is going to be the end of the James Bond series as we know it.  Cubby used to say why have something in a Bond movie that people can watch on TV for free, yet right now, we're going to be "treated" to a long sequence of Poker for $8.50 when we could all turn on ESPN, Bravo, ESPN2, etc., and see the EXACT SAME THING for FREE!!!!!!  That is unacceptable, and EON is on the verge of destroying the Bond franchise if they continue down their current path.

...Let's just say they are on the verge of abandoning the sophistication of Bond's world as conceived by Fleming.

[Righty007]

Casino Royale starring Pierce Brosnan as James Bond playing Celebrity Poker Showdown is going to be the end of the James Bond series as we know it.  Cubby used to say why have something in a Bond movie that people can watch on TV for free, yet right now, we're going to be "treated" to a long sequence of Poker for $8.50 when we could all turn on ESPN, Bravo, ESPN2, etc., and see the EXACT SAME THING for FREE!!!!!!  That is unacceptable, and EON is on the verge of destroying the Bond franchise if they continue down their current path.

Just because your parents pay the cable bill doesn't mean it's free.

[tdalton]

[quote name='Slaezenger' date='26 September 2005 - 23:25'][quote name='tdalton' date='27 September 2005 - 03:09']Casino Royale starring Pierce Brosnan as James Bond playing Celebrity Poker Showdown is going to be the end of the James Bond series as we know it.

[B5Erik]

I will be a little disappointed if this is indeed true, but it's not going to seriously affect my enjoyment of the movie overall.

What WILL affect my enjoyment is whether or not the script is good, and somewhat close to the novel (which, considering how good the novel is, is very important).

Poker, baccarat - ultimately it's all gambling at card games, and how well the scene works is based primarily on the how well it's written. Baccarat does seem a lot more "Bond-ian" though.

[tdalton]

[quote name='Righty007' date='26 September 2005 - 23:27'][quote name='tdalton' date='26 September 2005 - 23:09']Casino Royale starring Pierce Brosnan as James Bond playing Celebrity Poker Showdown is going to be the end of the James Bond series as we know it.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I will be a little disappointed if this is indeed true, but it's not going to seriously affect my enjoyment of the movie overall. 

What WILL affect my enjoyment is whether or not the script is good, and somewhat close to the novel (which, considering how good the novel is, is very important).

Very well said.

[Slaezenger]

What WILL affect my enjoyment is whether or not the script is good, and somewhat close to the novel (which, considering how good the novel is, is very important).

...One can have an absolutely marvellous script -- that has little to do with the Bond that Fleming created.

Edited by Slaezenger, 27 September 2005 - 05:44 AM.

[tdalton]

What WILL affect my enjoyment is whether or not the script is good, and somewhat close to the novel (which, considering how good the novel is, is very important).

...One can have an absolutely marvellous script -- that has little to do with the Bond that Fleming created. From my vantage point there is little point to seeing a Bond -- if it is not about Fleming's Bond. They say CR will be the most faithful to the novel since OHMSS? And they have cast an American to play Vesper Lynd -- an agent from Section S at Mi6? They are Americanizng the film to pander to the audience. Others may not care, but if true, I would not be interested...

I realize that Sienna Miller (if that's who you're referring to) was born in the US, but she was raised in the UK, from what I've read. She's been in what could be considered a British film called Layer Cake, so I would imagine that most people would associate her with being British rather than American, but maybe that's just me.

Anyway, she certainly isn't known in the US for anything other than her relationship with Jude Law, so I wouldn't consider it pandering to the audience since most of the US audience doesn't know who she is as a person or as an actor, other than the drama surrounding her relationship with Jude Law.

I do understand your complaints, however, about the drifting away from the Bond that Fleming created. I find it to be very disheartening, especially in this case, since CR is one of my all-time favorite novels.

[Slaezenger]

[quote name='tdalton' date='27 September 2005 - 03:49']I realize that Sienna Miller (if that's who you're referring to) was born in the US, but she was raised in the UK, from what I've read.

Edited by Slaezenger, 27 September 2005 - 05:45 AM.

[tdalton]

[quote name='Slaezenger' date='27 September 2005 - 00:01'][quote name='tdalton' date='27 September 2005 - 03:49']I realize that Sienna Miller (if that's who you're referring to) was born in the US, but she was raised in the UK, from what I've read.

[Slaezenger]

[quote name='tdalton' date='27 September 2005 - 04:05']I've seen some pics where Law looked somewhat Bondian, and others where I couldn't see him as Bond at all.

Edited by Slaezenger, 27 September 2005 - 04:23 AM.

[Byron]

[quote name='Slaezenger' date='27 September 2005 - 04:12'][quote name='tdalton' date='27 September 2005 - 04:05']I've seen some pics where Law looked somewhat Bondian, and others where I couldn't see him as Bond at all.

[zencat]

Let's not turn this into a "who should or shouldn't play Bond" thread guys. We have plenty of those on CBn.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Comon guys, it's Poker. They're not changing the Bacarat scene to a contest of Bowling(or substitute white trash sport insert here____).It's still a card game in what I imagine will be very opulent surroundings in the tradition of elegance we all expect from a James Bond film; it won't be filmed at the Horseshoe casino in old Vegas or Commerce in L.A.Sheesh. Ya'll need to relax! Be like Fonzy...

[trumanlodge89]

Baccarat does seem a lot more "Bond-ian" though.

thats just the thing. poker is different and unusual for bond, making it a situation he may not necessarily want to be in. it could make things interesting. when was the last time bond defeated the bad guy merely on luck? goldfinger, i think it was.

theyre changing the card game, big friggin deal. hes played baccarat a million times. variety is the spice of life.


oh, and how bout a big old smile?

[Mister Asterix]

Comon guys, it's Poker. They're not changing the Bacarat scene to a contest of Bowling(or substitute white trash sport insert here____).It's still a card game in what I imagine will be very opulent surroundings in the tradition of elegance we all expect from a James Bond film; it won't be filmed at the Horseshoe casino in old Vegas or Commerce in L.A.Sheesh. Ya'll need to relax! Be like Fonzy...

[mra]Quite. We

[Slaezenger]

[quote name='Byron' date='27 September 2005 - 04:31'][quote name='Slaezenger' date='27 September 2005 - 04:12'][quote name='tdalton' date='27 September 2005 - 04:05']I've seen some pics where Law looked somewhat Bondian, and others where I couldn't see him as Bond at all.

Edited by Slaezenger, 27 September 2005 - 05:46 AM.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Baccarat does seem a lot more "Bond-ian" though.

thats just the thing. poker is different and unusual for bond, making it a situation he may not necessarily want to be in. it could make things interesting. when was the last time bond defeated the bad guy merely on luck? goldfinger, i think it was.

theyre changing the card game, big friggin deal. hes played baccarat a million times. variety is the spice of life.


oh, and how bout a big old smile?

[Slaezenger]

They're not changing the Bacarat scene to a contest of Bowling(or substitute white trash sport insert here____).

...Poker

[Tarl_Cabot]

[quote name='Mister Asterix' date='26 September 2005 - 22:53'][quote name='Tarl_Cabot' date='26 September 2005 - 23:48']Comon guys, it's Poker. They're not changing the Bacarat scene to a contest of Bowling(or substitute white trash sport insert here____).It's still a card game in what I imagine will be very opulent surroundings in the tradition of elegance we all expect from a James Bond film; it won't be filmed at the Horseshoe casino in old Vegas or Commerce in L.A.Sheesh. Ya'll need to relax! Be like Fonzy...

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[mra]Quite. We

[Peaceful]

If this is true (and I hope to god it isn't)this is probably the worst news ever

Talk about destroying the series, next thing we'll find out it's gonna be set in the wild wild west

Albert Broccoli and Fleming must be spinning in there graves

[Tarl_Cabot]

They're not changing the Bacarat scene to a contest of Bowling(or substitute white trash sport insert here____).

...Poker

Touche.

[Peaceful]

AND ANOTHER THING .....

Poker is SO common and lower class, that's not what Casino Royale's about !

Sorry to be a snob, sorry if I offend some, but that's how it is !

[Tarl_Cabot]

If this is true (and I hope to god it isn't)this is probably the worst news ever

Talk about destroying the series, next thing we'll find out it's gonna be set in the wild wild west

Albert Broccoli and Fleming must be spinning in there graves

Spinning in their graves over Poker? Nah, the invisibale car, the vulgar Money Penny scene, the well, comon, the last Bond hit rock bottom. This is trivial.I think there is a frenzy here because this is the first real plot involved topic we've had to chew on. We're all like a pack of rabid wolves!

[dinovelvet]

Baccarat does seem a lot more "Bond-ian" though.

thats just the thing. poker is different and unusual for bond, making it a situation he may not necessarily want to be in. it could make things interesting. when was the last time bond defeated the bad guy merely on luck? goldfinger, i think it was.

theyre changing the card game, big friggin deal. hes played baccarat a million times. variety is the spice of life.


oh, and how bout a big old smile?

Yeah. Thing is, we KNOW Bond is an expert at baccarat. He's played it numerous times in the movies, and has NEVER lost. So where is the drama going to be when he sits down to play baccarat in CR? Oh, here we go again, business as usual, "suivi" and "banco" a few times, then Bond wins. But now with poker, its new territory for Bond, especially if the script establishes Le Chiffre as a world class player and shows that it isn't really Bond's game, but he's going to have to try and beat him anyway. Yep, thumbs up to the switch to poker from me.

[Slaezenger]

  when was the last time bond defeated the bad guy merely on luck? goldfinger, i think it was.

theyre changing the card game, big friggin deal. hes played baccarat a million times. variety is the spice of life.

...By the by, Bond defeated Goldfinger (in the film) by suckling a Lesbian, and Baccarrat _is_ a game of luck or chance.

That said, there is a reason why Fleming's Bond didn't play poker in the casinos and clubs of the novels, and its explained by none other than -- Ian Fleming:

From this link:
http://www.ianflemin...m?page=occasion


OCCASIONAL PIECES
Throughout his life, Ian Fleming regularly contributed features and articles to a range of publications, covering a diverse range of subjects that reflected his many interests. The following piece is an introduction he wrote for the 1958 UK edition of Herbert Yardley's The Education of a Poker Player

"If it were possible to have worse laws than our sex laws they would be the laws that regulate gambling... To deal only with what is relevant to this brief note, while twenty million adults gamble on the football pools each week, ten million on horse-racing and five million on premium bonds, playing poker for money, a legal game over half the world including most of the British Commonwealth, is illegal. And really illegal. The Hamilton, a respectable private London card club, found this out in a police action which effectively warned the whole of England off the game. In 1945, at Bow Street, it cost them