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[Pussfeller]

It seems like they're going for poker. I can't say I'm pleased by that, but it doesn't really bother me. Poker isn't exclusively a tacky TV game, after all. As long as they preserve the casino atmosphere and keep everything "Bondian", I don't care what game they play.

[Andrew]

As long as there is a high level of tension, I could care less if it was Bacarat or Poker.

One of the things I like about poker in this scenario is that it seems easier to go from being on top of the game to losing everything which is something that must happen to a few characters.

[K1Bond007]

As long as there is a high level of tension, I could care less if it was Bacarat or Poker.

Well I'm kind of upset that they did change it, but then again there really isn't much to Bacarat. You can play about 20 hands of Bacarat in the time it takes to play one hand of Poker. It's great for the novel (Bacarat), but the translation to film would most likely fail to arouse "high level of tension".

[JimmyBond]

One of the things I like about poker in this scenario is that it seems easier to go from being on top of the game to losing everything which is something that must happen to a few characters.

Doesnt Bond actually lose to Le Chiffre at first? Only to have Vesper supply him with some more funds; allowing him to win.

Been a while since I actually read it.

[K1Bond007]

One of the things I like about poker in this scenario is that it seems easier to go from being on top of the game to losing everything which is something that must happen to a few characters.

Doesnt Bond actually lose to Le Chiffre at first? Only to have Vesper supply him with some more funds; allowing him to win.

Been a while since I actually read it.

Yes, but it was Leiter who supplied him the funds.

[zencat]

[quote name='Andrew' date='17 October 2005 - 19:30']From http://latinoreview....-interview.html

"Where as Bond I think has a lot of elements. He has a sense of humor, he's a great womanizer, he's very attractive, he's a great poker player or card player, he's a gambler.

[00-FAN008]

So the "sequence" will be lengthy?

Hmm. I suppose that's a bad thing if I fall asleep... well, I guess if this has to do with the plot, then it's alright. As long as there will be a fair share of guns and brawls -- the DANGER of 007.

[Alessandra]

Poker???!!! What the ??!! Why don't we just put Bond in a ten-gallon cowboy hat and some Wrangler jeans?!!! I hope to god, this isn't true!!! 

Have the same feelings. ok to changes, but this is pushing it too far. Already a grittier, darker one, then Craig, now this?! and if we had Jolie as Bond girl it's guaranteed they will make him wear cowboy boots while he plays poker! lol

[Gabriel]

I can live with the change to poker - it's a better-known game to the general audience. It's also excellent that we're finally going to get a new SPECTRE-type organisation.

The biggie for me that I'd like to see them change is stopping Bond going into the MI6 building. I'd much rather the 00-section was a top-secret black-ops section of SIS that worked under the cover of Universal Exports. Doubt that will happen though.

By the way, any news on whether Leiter will be kept in Casino Royale?

[Double-Oh Agent]

I don't really mind the switch from baccarat to poker. It's not quite as Bondian but Bond is a gambler and would be good at virtually any card game and I can't believe he's never played poker before. Besides, poker will probably be easier to build the tension on screen as well as enable Bond and Le Chiffre to play for higher stakes and with Le Chiffre likely funding a terrorist organization then a high stakes poker game is probably more realistic.

[Mona Lovesit]

Poker!!?? How very plain and working class.

Bacarat (and its derivative Chemin-de-fer [sp?]) sound much more exotic in Bond's world.

Perhaps "the suits" may have thought that Americans wouldn't understand the word "bacarat" as they did with "revoked."

Wich reminds me, in the 1954 TV version, Jimmy Bond called the game "bakka-rat".

Edited by Mona Lovesit, 22 October 2005 - 07:01 AM.

[Four Aces]

Hahahaha! And if you will thread search back, you will see that I correctly predicted the game like over a year ago, to the ridicule of many. Looks like the producers know the market, and so do I

4A

Edited by Four Aces, 22 October 2005 - 07:26 PM.

[Four Aces]

Poker!!?? How very plain and working class.

Bacarat (and its derivative Chemin-de-fer [sp?]) sound much more exotic in Bond's world.

Perhaps "the suits" may have thought that Americans wouldn't understand the word "bacarat" as they did with "revoked." 

Wich reminds me, in the 1954 TV version, Jimmy Bond called the game "bakka-rat".

You are somewhat correct. Sinatra is the one who pushed for Baccarat to be introduced into Las Vegas, mainly because he thought it to be more sophisticated.

However, in reality Baccarat and Chemin de fer are very similar to Blackjack. Poker is more a game of skill, and therefore is actually more sophisticated, same goes for Gin Rummy, which was played in Goldfinger.

4A

[zencat]

Hahahaha!    And if you will thread search back, you will see that I correctly predicted the game like over a year ago, to the ridicule of many.  Looks like the producers know the market, and so do I

4A

Good job, Four Aces. And welcome back.

[Agent 76]

Just tought of picturing the games, we've been talking here.




Casino Games:

Baccarat


Roulette


Holdem Poker


Blackjack

[Four Aces]

Good job, Four Aces. And welcome back.

Thanks John. My travels have wound down for most of what's left of '06. I have one gig left in Angola. Life is getting scary: I cleared Indonesia a few days before the tsunami, cleared NOLA a few days before Katrina, and flew into Houston just in time to evacuate for Rita. It's like I am the Pied Piper of natural disasters. BTW Katrina wiped out about 30% of my business in NOLA.

You see Charlie, send him my regards, and let him know we hit Las Vegas again a few weeks ago.

Back on topic, I think the poker selection was wise at least for an audience draw. But you never know, if they would have stayed with Baccarat maybe there would be a resurgence of that game in US casinos. I expect Las Vegas will take a windfall after the film's release

Mike

Edited by Four Aces, 22 October 2005 - 08:03 PM.

[mkkbb]

I too originally thought that Poker was ordinary, whereas Baccarat was more exotic, but thinking on it we have seen Bond play Baccarat many times, and would be good for a different game to be played.

And I agree that a game of Poker would generate a lot more tension, and as a hand takes longer, the tension would build up, and not be over in a few seconds. I also feel it would make the audience feel there was a more strategic game than Baccarat, proving that Bond can be a really good gambler, not just lucky.

[GreggAllinson]

Poker? Good grief. Purvis and Wade strike again...

[Blofeld's Cat]

Perhaps it wasn't a P&W suggestion. Somehow, I think they would've gone with the game used in the book.

[tdalton]

Perhaps it wasn't a P&W suggestion. Somehow, I think they would've gone with the game used in the book.

I think that Purvis and Wade would have gone with Baccarat as well. I'm fairly certain (but, of course, based on no actual evidence) that it was Martin Campbell who pushed for the inclusion of the poker game rather than Baccarat.

[zencat]

Perhaps it wasn't a P&W suggestion. Somehow, I think they would've gone with the game used in the book.

I think that Purvis and Wade would have gone with Baccarat as well. I'm fairly certain (but, of course, based on no actual evidence) that it was Martin Campbell who pushed for the inclusion of the poker game rather than Baccarat.

As far as I know, poker was already in the script when Campbell came onboard.

[Roebuck]

As far as I know, poker was already in the script when Campbell came onboard.

Come to think of it, it's been about twenty years since we had a serious, extended gambling sequence in Bond. I believe Purvis & Wade wanted to include one in TWINE, but Apted nixed it in favour of Elektra's 'turn of a card' thing.

[GreggAllinson]

It's a shame he was 007 in the age of effects over story. They had to bring in a noted writer to re-write the Casino Royale script! How bad do you have to be when you have a book to make a script out of and still have it re-written; the story, plot , it's all laid out for you already.

The script, pre-rewrite, was good enough to attract Daniel Craig to the project and to get him to proclaim its awesomeness.

One word: Poker.

Four words: Texas Hold 'Em Poker.

Five words: Purvis and Wade are insane.

[Harmsway]

It's a shame he was 007 in the age of effects over story. They had to bring in a noted writer to re-write the Casino Royale script! How bad do you have to be when you have a book to make a script out of and still have it re-written; the story, plot , it's all laid out for you already.

The script, pre-rewrite, was good enough to attract Daniel Craig to the project and to get him to proclaim its awesomeness.

One word: Poker.

Four words: Texas Hold 'Em Poker.

Five words: Purvis and Wade are insane.

May not have been Purvis and Wade's idea, firstly. Secondly, poker is hardly as big a sin as a lot of fans have made it out to be. Thirdly, Ian Fleming himself considered Poker a dangerous and cutthroat game that he disliked because of the absolute intensity of it:

"Myself, as fine writers phrase it, I am not a good poker player. I drink and smoke and enjoy the game too much. You shouldn't do any of these things if you want to win at poker. Poker is a cold-hearted, deadly game that breaks and bankrupts men today just as, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries,

[Andrew]

That quote just proves how well Hold 'em will work in a cinematic CR. Especially this part...

[quote]Poker is a cold-hearted, deadly game that breaks and bankrupts men today just as, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries,

[Harmsway]

[quote name='Andrew' date='5 November 2005 - 18:05']That quote just proves how well Hold 'em will work in a cinematic CR. Especially this part...

[quote]Poker is a cold-hearted, deadly game that breaks and bankrupts men today just as, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries,

[Mr Malcolm]

Poker? I'm not entirely happy about the change, but I'll wait and see. I don't know my card games that well, so can't comment which would play better on film.

If, as they say, there is going to be a long gambling sequence in the film, it does raise the issue of how (or if) they will explain the rules of the card game to audience members who don't know them so that they can follow what's happening. Maybe they just feel more people will know the rules of Poker than Baccarat. I don't think they need to explain too much (if at all) myself; I haven't quite understood the gambling scenes in previous films, but still followed them just fine thanks to the acting and directing. But who knows what will happen?

[mrcool92501]

ponders if bond will b in a game of no-limit tx hold'em poker vs

david 'devilfish' ulliot,tony 'g',the hendon mob

ie european based poker players

[Peter Franks]

ponders if bond will b in a game of no-limit tx hold'em poker vs

david 'devilfish' ulliot,tony 'g',the hendon mob

ie european based poker players

Poker is a low class dishonest game. The name comes from German pochen meaning to brag or to lie. It's very low class. Where did Bond learn to play it if he's meant to be so good at it? They dont play it seriously unless you go to the 10 quid minimum tables in London. Did he play it with those German descended cowboys in the Wild West Baccarat is a more serious and honest game. It involves no cheating or dishonesty and is by invitation or reservation so it is considered a high class game. Bond also says in the book that he only gambles when the odds are even or as close to even as they can get. Poker isn't an even chance game and no government would risk losing tax payers money on it if they could just mug Le Chiffre or get the casino to hire real cowboys to play against him

[MarcAngeDraco]

I have nothing against the game of poker, I actually play it on occasion (although I don't care for the "Texas Hold 'Em" version very much).

But Texas Hold 'Em is totally over-saturated on TV here in the US. I'd be happy to never see another Texas Hold 'Em game at all, and certainly not in CR. I'm afraid that by the end of '06 the "fad" will be done and it will already look outdated when CR is released.