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[DLibrasnow]

Okay, Admiral Billings it is....

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Dr Noah
I can finally name Brown's M....its Admiral Billings!
The proof?...Watch the episode of James Bond Jnr called "Hostel Takeover" where the head of "The British Secret Service" is clearly named.  As that series was EON approved and the scripts monitored by EON, we can take that as being "offical" (well if you want to  )

You must be joking . People really wached "James Bond jr". It is not Billings , it's Messervy .

[DLibrasnow]

I have more definite proof....I knew I had read this somewhere but I wasn't going to post it until I had tracked down the source....In the Oct. 1981 edition of "Film and Music" Micheal Wilson said they had no plans to recast Sir Miles after Lee's death, but would probably introduce a new character as the Head of MI6, or bring in a previously introduced character.

[_JW_]

Here's a hypothetical question...

If Robert Brown had NOT appeared in TSWLM, but DID indeed appear in OP as the character 'M', would anyone have a problem subscribing to the theory that Brown is playing Sir Miles?

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by _JW_
Here's a hypothetical question...

If Robert Brown had NOT appeared in TSWLM, but DID indeed appear in OP as the character 'M', would anyone have a problem subscribing to the theory that Brown is playing Sir Miles?

I doubt it....It's the same with John Cleese as Q. People would probably naturally assume that Cleese was playing Major Boothroyd in DAD if he hadn't appeared in TWINE in scenes with Desmond Llewelyn.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

well i am with dlibrasnow on this, brown was playing someone all together different, he was not sir miles and thats that. its just a personal thing that one feels and thats how we feel >we cant change your mind nor can u change ours -oh and to those who continue to say that there is an r, there is no r "do u not know a joke when you hear one?"

[Dr Noah]

"You must be joking . People really wached "James Bond jr". It is not Billings , it's Messervy"

Well, since that was stated on-screen that the head of the Secret Service was Billings, in an EON approved show I guess it must be offical

(See page 309 of the new edition of "The Bond Files" for more info)

[BONDFINESSE 007]

the only way that i will believe that brown was playing sir miles, is for someone from eon to come to this board and tell us themselfs anything short of that and i stick with my gut feelings and besides DLIBRASNOW HAS ALREADY GIVIN PROOF AS TO WHY THEY WERE NOT THE SAME PERSON

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Dr Noah
"You must be joking . People really wached "James Bond jr". It is not Billings , it's Messervy"
Well, since that was stated on-screen that the head of the Secret Service was Billings, in an EON approved show I guess it must be offical  
(See page 309 of the new edition of "The Bond Files" for more info)

"James Bond jr" was a cartoon , that was approved during the period when no Bond feature-films where produced. It was geared towards "children" . even if EON approved every script it bore no relations to the films.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
DLIBRASNOW HAS ALREADY GIVIN PROOF AS TO WHY THEY WERE NOT THE SAME PERSON

What proof would that be then?

Point it out to me, because if DLibrasnow has conclusively proved his theory, I've missed it. And besides, he himself wrote: "There is quite simply no evidence to really support either point of view so it's simply a matter of personal preference."

So this proof, then, BONDFINESSE007. Where is it?

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Loomis


What proof would that be then?

Point it out to me, because if DLibrasnow has conclusively proved his theory, I've missed it. And besides, he himself wrote: "There is quite simply no evidence to really support either point of view so it's simply a matter of personal preference."

So this proof, then, BONDFINESSE007. Where is it?

No need to get nasty towards Bondfinesse. Look, everyone just calm down. I did point out some additional proof that you missed Loomis. That came in the form of a quote Michael G. Wilson made in an interview in the early 1980s. I made a concerted effort to track down that quote before I mentioned it, and I wished I hadn't.
Bondfinesse and I believe that Brown didn't play Sir Miles and you believe he did. This whole warped thread has gotten outta hand, and people need to take a step back.
In the immortal words of Joshua in the 1983 movie "Wargames" -- just after a nuclear holocaust has been averted -- "How about a nice game of Chess?"

[Loomis]

Fair enough, DLibrasnow. Trust me, I don't mean any offence to BONDFINESSE007 or yourself. I'm not taking this matter all that seriously. As ever, it's only a bit of a lark.

I'm happy to have detente. I'll write no more on this thread (I know that you're not trying to kick me off it, BTW), but I'm sure that others will be only too happy to continue the arguments.

[Dr Noah]

"even if EON approved every script it bore no relations to the films"

Michael G Wilson was one of the co-creators and it was speficially based on the cinematic Bond universe...

[Blofeld's Cat]

The definitive answer?

Brown's M was just Barbara Mawdsley in drag.

That's why is was easy to cast GoldenEye's M as a woman, not just because that MI5's chief was a woman at the time.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Blofeld's Cat
The definitive answer?  
Brown's M was just Barbara Mawdsley in drag.  
That's why is was easy to cast GoldenEye's M as a woman, not just because that MI5's chief was a woman at the time.

Then that would destroy the "Admiral Billings theory" from James Bond jr. Right?

[Dr Noah]

"Brown's M was just Barbara Mawdsley in drag."

Funny, I thought it was the other way around.

I guess Brown changed his name from Billings to Mawdsley when he had the op..

[Jriv71]

I'm sorry. Did someone say James Bond, Jr?

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Jriv71
I'm sorry.  Did someone say James Bond, Jr?

Yes James Bond jr. Some wrote a earlier post in a attempt to confirm their theory the "M" of Robert Brown is named Admiral Billings > A character from the cartoon show approved by EON , during the dark days of the Bond series.

[DLibrasnow]

Dark days??? I used to crack myself up laughing whenever I saw "James Bond Jr." --- it was a hoot!

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
Dark days??? I used to crack myself up laughing whenever I saw "James Bond Jr." --- it was a hoot!

Yes i use to catch it on my day's off from work also. I meant "Dark Days" , when there was no Bond film for 6 1/2 years. James Bond jr , help prepare yesterday "kiddies" for interest in Bond today.

[Dr Noah]

It was a logical continuation from Licence To Kill, I thought...

[Jriv71]

JAMES BOND, JR??? Where am I? I guess we've officially run out of things to argue about.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Jriv71
JAMES BOND, JR???  Where am I?  I guess we've officially run out of things to argue about.

Yes we have run out of thing to write about when members start to use a "EON approved" cartoon show . As justification for a point that was established lomg ago. That of Robert Brown's "M" is the same as Bernard Lee's. Sir Miles Messervy. Who is mention in no less than chapter 4 ,entitled The "Shiner" . It goes "Admiral Sir M**** M******* .-- something at the Ministry of Defence."

[Dr Noah]

"That of Robert Brown's "M" is the same as Bernard Lee's. Sir Miles Messervy"

It has never been estableshed in the EON movies, and that is a fact!

The only thing that has been estableshed is that Lee's M is named "Miles", anything else is just conjecture.. except for Admiral Billings of course

[DLibrasnow]

Well I point back to the quote posted awhile ago in which EON producer Micheal G. Wilson stated (after Lee's death) they would not be recasting Sir Miles, but either introducing a new character or bringing in a previously introduced character.
He said it was out of respect for Bernard Lee.

Taking that one must conclude that Robert Brown was playing either Admiral Hargreaves, or another unnamed, but new character to the 007 series.

[DLibrasnow]

Besides, even without that proof, Brown and Lee played in the same movie (TSWLM). To say they both played Sir Miles is as preposterous as saying that John Cleese plays Maj. Boothroyd in DAD.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
Besides, even without that proof, Brown and Lee played in the same movie (TSWLM). To say they both played Sir Miles is as preposterous as saying that John Cleese plays Maj. Boothroyd in DAD.

So Walter Gotell who did General Gogol in (TSWLM , Moonraker , FYEO , Octopussy , AVTAK) return to his "originally employer after a stint with SPECTRE in "FRWL" . Look at the time name one creidible replacement for "M" after Bernard Lee's death. It is the same "M" , playe by two(2) different actors. The Ian Fleming foundation said so!!

[DLibrasnow]

So, Micheal Wilson was lying???!!

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
So, Micheal Wilson was lying???!!

Perhaps you can enlighten us with you wisdom and information from Michael Wilson ? I will be most interested ! Then perhaps we can settle this matter once and for all. It be can hard too take it seriously after the "James Bond jr" proof. I can't wait for your reply.

[Blue Eyes]

To say they both played Sir Miles is as preposterous

But why is it 'preposterous'?