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#61 bondjames

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:25 AM

I'd be ok if Arnold did not return for a while. I'm ambivalent about him. He's not consistent.

 

He can go from two completely useless scores (Die Another Day and The World is Not Enough were two of the absolute worst in the series in my opinion and pure generic tripe - he should have been fired on the spot for either of these disgraces) to something outstanding like 'African Rundown' in Casino Royale or 'Night at the Opera' in Quantum of Solace (both pieces evoking the grandeur of Barry's best work).

 

Having said that, and despite the fact that he did show improvement in Quantum and Casino (in the aforementioned pieces in particular), his action scores tend to be noisy and bombastic and some of his other cues are common and unmemorable, even in these two most recent movies that he did. He just seems like a 'B' composer and/or a common hack who's in above his pay grade for the most part - with sporadic flourishes of above average work.

 

While Newman did not call upon the Barry orchestral flair as much as Arnold tries to do, he at least created some memorable and interesting riffs in Skyfall, showing that he has a sense of scene, mood and timing. Some examples include the intro to 'Grand Bazzar-Istanbul' when Bond walks out onto the street, 'New Diggs', 'Shanghai Drive', and 'The Chimera' - all absolutely outstanding spy music and fitting for the movie - although not in the Barry orchestral vein (apart perhaps from 'The Chimera'). I applaud Newman for trying a different tack on things - the only other two replacement composers who were this brave in my mind were Bill Conti on For Your Eyes only and Eric Serra on Goldeneye. Whatever you may think of those scores, they were memorable and different.

 

Now, if Newman could just be made to incorporate more orchestra in his score, he could create an outstanding score for Bond in my opinion - and much better than anything Arnold can do. Someone should tell him to listen to Barry and channel Barry in the next score (if he is in fact doing it - if Mendes returns). He's got what it takes - it was just his first try. Arnold's had 5 tries and Newman has shown more potential in Skyfall. 'Severine' was as good as, if not better than 'Vesper's Theme' - it was just sadly underused, just like its namesake in the movie (much to my disappointment I might add as Berenice was lovely).

 

Who can do a really great Bond score: Debbie Wiseman (hear Arsene Lupin), Michael Giachinno (The Incredibles is pure gold), Wojchiech Kilar (the Ninth Gate) or Alexander Desplat (The Ghost Writer and Syriana). Howard Shore would be great too if one wanted to establish some new enduring reusable themes for Bond (ala the much missed '007 theme' - not used unfortunately since the Moonraker boat scene). He created some splendid themes for the Lord of the Rings Trilogy for the Hobbits, the Shire and Gollum, not to mention the Orcs - his work was absolutely superb in that series.


Edited by bondjames, 11 January 2013 - 03:46 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:09 AM

I feel Newman is the perfect person to score Bond films now. Desplat would be good if he turned in more scores that are powerful and intense like his work for 'Zero Dark Thirty'.



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

I feel Newman is the perfect person to score Bond films now. Desplat would be good if he turned in more scores that are powerful and intense like his work for 'Zero Dark Thirty'.

You might be interested in this article if you haven't seen already. The bottom question has a Bond relatedness about it.

 

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

I liked all Arnold scores. He was a very good Bond composer.

 

But Thomas Newman really changed the game again while remaining true to the essence of Bond. I would love to see him to do another one or even the next couple of Bond films.

 

If he does not return for Bond 24 I would rather have a new composer have a go than go back to Arnold. Desplat would be very interesting. Marco Beltrami, too. Of course, Patrick Doyle would be splendid - but then Kenneth Branagh would have to direct. Which I would welcome, too.



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

I forgot to commend Newman on a couple of tracks...

 

"The Chimera" was why I would buy this score even if not a Bond soundtrack.  Just epic with the scene, ala Inception.

 

"Severine" fit the Bond female character more so than any in recent memory.  Dark, mysterious, vulnerable.

 

"Tennyson" gives me chills when I watch that scene.

 

"Voluntary Retirement" is a great theme for M, both formal and a bit melancholic.

 

"Jellyfish", "The Moors" and most of the other Shanghai and Scottish segments are really evocative of their locales and moods.



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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:11 PM

I really like A.R. Rahman. He has done a number of fantastic scores including the soundtrack for 127 Hours, which is one of my all-time favorite soundtracks. He does a lot of work for Indian films and he has scored American dramas such as Inside Man. I think if were to have another Bond film set primarily in India a la Octopussy, A.R. Rahman would be a great choice.



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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

All I know is I want scores that are as  good these like,  A Drive In The Country, Cortina, For Your Eyes Only(score version Flugelhorn Solo by Derek Watkins), Snow Job, Maujahadin And Opium, Hercules Take Off, Final Confrontation, Goldeneye Overture, Dish Out Of Water, White Knight and Backseat Driver.  Also that they fit today's Bond movies.

 

I don't mind David Arnold returning. But what about Harry Gregson-Williams, Nathaniel Mechaly, Joe Kraemer, Alexandre Desplat or Marco Beltrami IF David Arnold don't return to score the movie.



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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:59 AM

But what about Harry Gregson-Williams, Nathaniel Mechaly, Joe Kraemer, Alexandre Desplat or Marco Beltrami IF David Arnold don't return to score the movie.


Er, would rather stick with Thomas Newman.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:34 AM

I really loved Joe Kraemer's score for 'Jack Reacher' I'd love to see more of him popping up.



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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

Newman or Desplat for me. Arnold can jog on



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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:03 PM

I'd love to see Hans Zimmer take a shot at it with more Bond theme cues, and YES to the 007 theme returning.

It would be an odd and improbable choice too but I've always imagined what the Bond theme would sound like if John Williams scored it.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:04 AM

Pure Barry. He'd be perfect for Bond.

 



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

Newman's SKYFALL sounded more like Barry.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

Newman's SKYFALL sounded more like Barry.

 

I agree.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

I disagree. Desplat's track sounds way more like traditional Barry—Newman's score stands alone from him.


Edited by DominicGreene, 29 January 2013 - 04:11 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

Desplat's score for Zero Dark Thirty is great, don't get me wrong, but that track is in my opinion the weakest. The last twenty seconds or so is the only part I like. It's sounds more like the other tracks from a few Desplat score's in my opinion. Still, a great job he did on the film.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

Desplat's score for Zero Dark Thirty is great, don't get me wrong, but that track is in my opinion the weakest. The last twenty seconds or so is the only part I like. It's sounds more like the other tracks from a few Desplat score's in my opinion. Still, a great job he did on the film.

 

I can see why though.

 

Which tracks are your favourites?



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

Desplat's score for Zero Dark Thirty is great, don't get me wrong, but that track is in my opinion the weakest. The last twenty seconds or so is the only part I like. It's sounds more like the other tracks from a few Desplat score's in my opinion. Still, a great job he did on the film.

 

I can see why though.

 

Which tracks are your favourites?

 

I really like Flight To Compound, very haunting and tense. Bombings, Ammar, Monkeys, 21 Days, Preperation For Attacks (Don't remember hearing this in this in the film upon my third and fourth viewing), Balawi, Maya On Plane, Picket Lines, and Chopper.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

 

Desplat's score for Zero Dark Thirty is great, don't get me wrong, but that track is in my opinion the weakest. The last twenty seconds or so is the only part I like. It's sounds more like the other tracks from a few Desplat score's in my opinion. Still, a great job he did on the film.

 

I can see why though.

 

Which tracks are your favourites?

 

I really like Flight To Compound, very haunting and tense. Bombings, Ammar, Monkeys, 21 Days, Preperation For Attacks (Don't remember hearing this in this in the film upon my third and fourth viewing), Balawi, Maya On Plane, Picket Lines, and Chopper.

 

I like most of those as well; my favourite is probably Flight to Compound, it's very simple yet tense like most of the soundtrack. I also really like Tracking Calls, it's deep and psychological. 

 

The music complemented the film greatly, I'll definitely need to see this one again.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:17 AM

I'd be up for Newman if Mendes returns, but would otherwise like to see:

 

David Arnold - à la TND and Casino Royale

Alexandre Desplat - à la Largo Winch, The Ghost Writer, and Zero Dark Thirty

Michael Giacchino - à la The Incredibles (a very Barry, piece) and Medal of Honor

Edward Shearmur - à la Johnny English (fantastic Bond style, with great themes, and a purposed Arnold nod), Reign of Fire, and The Count of Monte Cristo

 

 

I'd have to say no media ventures (Zimmer's) allowed.


Edited by Gt Munn, 19 February 2013 - 04:20 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:05 PM

I'm all for Michael Giacchino.

 

I wouldn't mind if Newman returned, but neither would I say that I want him back. If he does get chosen, and he most likely will if Mendes returns, I hope it's not, in any case, reminiscent of Skyfall.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:54 PM

A Newman and Arnold collaboration! I liked the grandoise action cues Newman used in Skyfall, but it felt too exaggerated sometimes, and I think Arnold has a more melodic take on the action scenes. The one clunky bit IMO in Skyfall is when you're waiting for Bond's hand to slip from the elevator in Shanghai, and when it does, you get a predictable onslaught from the score.



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:47 AM

Personally, I think Newman should return. Skyfall is near perfect for me and the soundtrack really stands out more on repeat viewings. The Bond theme moments are used to great effect (Silva's Island, DB5, M's office etc..) but the one thing I think Skyfall is missing, is a fantastic Bond theme action moment. If you think about it, Craig has never really had a big roaring Bond theme when he does something so classic and bondain. The Craig era so far, has tended to use the 'minor' Bond theme. (dada-da-dada-da-dada-da-dada) and what it truly needs is a classic Bond theme....

 

 

... 5:39 onwards. We haven't heard that in a Craig Bond so far. Would be lovely to hear that full Bond theme there during an action sequence. There's no going back, Bond is fully established now, and there's no excuse not to have a massive Bond theme moment. I think Newman should really stick with it, the soundtrack is fantastic and a real grower. Bond has never sounded so sexy since John Barry. 

 


Also, anyone seen this? This is what we need. Wait 'till this kicks in. 

 


Edited by DamnCoffee, 24 February 2013 - 03:56 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:52 PM

That's really good!

 

I agree about the action moment, "5:39" is worlds away from anything we've got in the Craig era so far.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

It depends on who the director is.  I would like David Arnold to have another chance.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:36 PM

Is there any cnahce of Arnold and Newman collaborating?



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:38 PM

Great idea.

 

Newman could compose and conduct the score. Arnold can make the coffee.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:08 AM

Since Mendes is gone, I asked David Arnold on Twitter if he is going to return. His response was "If they ask."

Edited by DominicGreene, 08 March 2013 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

They are my favorite are David Arnold because nobody knows better Bond music than him, Thomas Newman : I was already fan of his music, his work on Skyfall is very splendid and Michael Giacchino : I'm sure that he dreams of a proposition form EON.

And why not Hans Zimmer (but not like in Nolan movies), Ludovic Bource (he composed The Artist'score and OSS117'score which is very famous in France. It sounds very Bond'60) or
Alexandre Desplat.

Edited by Sir Godfrey, 08 March 2013 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

I really hope because Mendes isn't returning, EON doesn't go back to Arnold. One great score from Newman earns an Oscar Nomination and so forth. Desplat on the other hand, needs to think outside of the box and start with more of his sound for 'Zero Dark Thirty'. His scores for most, if not all of his films are generic. 'Argo' is a great example.