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#1321 Stephenson

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Posted 08 August 2005 - 02:44 PM

Not from me you won't. I'd be quite happy with Visnjic. :)

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Do you not think he'd raise the same problem as having a black actor play the part, or doesn't it bother you? By which I mean just as you couldn't really have a black actor visiting South Africa and nobody commenting on it, you couldn't really have a Croatian actor visiting eastern Europe and nobody commenting. I know eastern Europe has been rather done to death in the last few films, but Bond is a spy, CR does deal with Smersh, there's Chechnya and so on. It seems a shame to rule out using so many locations with such great potential by picking an actor who couldn't really go there without it being very awkward.

Or perhaps my desire to see Stewart win the role is blinding me.

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Glad to see your keeping up the good fight, spynovelfan! :)

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Goran is a Croatian actor playing a British character. James Bond will not be Croatian. If he can adopt the accent and mannerisms successfully (which is a BIG if), then there is no reason why he can't play the part of a British agent travelling to eastern Europe, unless he has some intense personally feelings that prevent him from doing it. But I think most people would find it difficult to buy into a black actor playing a traditionally white character and travelling to South Africa as if he was white. And before we begin the whole, "Bond could be black" discussion again (I see you've been keeping your end up on the other thread :) ), I am simply referring to your comparison of "white Croation actor playing Bond = black British actor playing Bond". Accents and nationalities can be hidden or disguised; skin color is a completely different issue.

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Posted 08 August 2005 - 03:00 PM

Yup, fully understand that. I think there are two issues, though. One is the if you mention: can he really adopt the mannerisms and accent totally convincingly? I find it hard to believe he can, but let's see. I may be unduly sensitive to this, though - I find Christian Bale's American accent incredible fake-sounding, so what do I know. :) The second issue is slightly trickier, but just as valid, I think. Even if Vijsnic manages to be utterly convincing on-screen, we know we're watching a film. We know it's 'another fella' and there will inevitably be a lot of attention, in the media, at the water cooler, and in forums like this, about the advisability of choosing a Croatian to play a quintessentially British character. And, of course, the film would start with 'Goran Visjnic as James Bond...' So however convincing he is, if they have a scene in Prague, Dubrovnik or Warsaw, it will inevitably jar. Because we know what the other characters don't. So with this actor in the role, you either run the risk of that awkwardness, or avoid those locations.

Is either acceptable?

#1323 Stephenson

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Posted 08 August 2005 - 03:14 PM

Well, I think there is less risk of his being Croation being a factor or issue. I may be underestimating the average movie goer, but I have to wonder how many actually know where Croatia is and what occurred there? A relatively recent survey (I'll try and find it if you want, it's about a year old now), showed that a large number of U.S. citizens don't know where Iraq is, so Goran being from Croatia might not exactly be a hot-button topic, even if he is in Prague in the movie and there is a lot of media talk about his nationality in the context of the Bond role. It will definitely matter to some fans, but what kind of impact this has on the box-office ....

I also have to wonder how many casual movie-goers actually know that Brosnan is Irish? He's modified his accent so well that it's become kind of a generic "British". Again, I agree with you about having serious doubts with Goran's ability to pull off the accent and mannerisms, but it's it not impossible.

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Posted 08 August 2005 - 03:56 PM

[quote]My thoughts exactly. Butler is a good actor but doesn

#1325 Loeffelholz

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:06 AM

Beats the Croat.

#1326 bondphan

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 12:03 AM

Gerard Butler may be out. Rumor has it that he has signed as the King in
Frank Miller's 300. Don't know if it is true or when it starts and ends shooting
but it is one more thing that may mean he is out as Bond. :) :)

#1327 ACE

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 12:18 AM

I hope Goran is meeting Campbell for a villain's role.

I hope the announced finalists are not THE finalists.

I think the announcement will come September/October 2005.

I hope it will not be a complete unknown under, say, 30 years old.

But whoever it is, I think Casino Royale will be an interesting and taut international romantic mystery adventure thriller owing a large debt to the source novel but updated and expanded accordingly to the dictates of a modern, mass audience.

If the film works, it will sell whomever they choose as Bond.

(Now for some more pink milky drink to soothe these "Who'll-be-Bond?" induced ulcers.

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 04:03 AM

I hope Goran is meeting Campbell for a villain's role.

I hope the announced finalists are not THE finalists.

I think the announcement will come September/October 2005.

I hope it will not be a complete unknown under, say, 30 years old.

But whoever it is, I think Casino Royale will be an interesting and taut international romantic mystery adventure thriller owing a large debt to the source novel but updated and expanded accordingly to the dictates of a modern, mass audience.

If the film works, it will sell whomever they choose as Bond.

(Now for some more pink milky drink to soothe these "Who'll-be-Bond?" induced ulcers.

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you have read my mind Ace.

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 07:10 AM

If you say that CR will work despite the actor, then why wouldn't is everyone so opposed to casting Goran Visnjic as Bond. People in the US (the same country that was supposedly too stupid to know what "Revoked" means) and around the world (with the exception of the UK) won't give two thoughts about whether or not the Bond actor is British or not. If the final four list is true, Visnjic is the most appropriate and most famous choice. I really hope the final four is fact (unless Clive Owen is cast, which is only a pipe-dream at this point) because if it is, Visnjic has a VERY strong chance of being cast (You can rule out the pre-teen "actor" with hardly any experience--you can be sure that EoN won't make the same mistake twice by casting an unknown Australian actor that the public won't except--and that fat hog who should be roasting with an apple stuffed in his mouth doesn't stand a chance unless he sells his soul to the devil and grows a few inches and develops an eating disorder etc... VISNJIC SHOULD BE CAST ASAP!!!

#1330 ACE

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 09:09 AM

If you say that CR will work despite the actor, then why wouldn't is everyone so opposed to casting Goran Visnjic as Bond.

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I understand superficially why the Gster may be appropriate.

However, an element overlooked is the importance of promotion. And in promotion, you have to sort of be Bond. In this area, Goran would not convince.

Look, my favourite Bond was Dalton. But, I think one of the reasons he did not convince civilians was that he was uncomfortable with promotion. And it showed.

English speaking territories would just laugh if Goran talk-showed himself in the part.

It has nothing to do with his acting (very good), his looks (not for me) or his nature.

I think had there been no reports of Campbell purportedly meeting him, NO ONE would have (or indeed, did) suggest Goran for the part.

And I'm saying that if Casino Royale is a superbly made action mystery thriller then it will matter less who plays Bond. But it will still matter on a basic fundamental level.

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#1331 spynovelfan

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 09:29 AM

Yes, that's my objection to Visjnic. Hard to say with the others, we know so little about them, though I suppose Cavill, being a public-school educated Brit, has at least an advantage there. But I do think the guy who plays Bond has to basically be James Bond, at press conferences, during interviews, for the purposes of advertising large metallic watches and Italian suits. :) He sort of has to embody the Bond lifestyle. Brosnan, despite his Irish lineage, looks very good in clothes, and is very knowledgeable about cars, drink, watches, can talk about Fleming in reasonably convincing sentences, and so on. He also has his art and environmental causes, but when you see him being interviewed, you think of him as being a Bond-style character who is playing Bond. He's a big fan of Geoffrey Household's novel ROGUE MALE. He likes THE PRISONER TV series. He remade THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR with his own production company. All of this and more - his nature, really - combine to give you the impression of an urbane and sophisticated man. Roger Moore and Sean Connery, in very different ways, always seem like they are James Bond.

Does Vijsnic? I don't know enough about him, I suppose, but it seems highly unlikely. In the interview I saw with him on Woss, he seemed very American - unsurprisingly, perhaps, as he moved there a few years ago. This is also, incidentally, why I'm not in favour of Matthew MacFadyen for the role, who you say you think may have tested for the part. He'd be disastrous, I think. He was very good in SPOOKS - easily the best thing in it - but he was acting a very different role there, and I'm not sure he showed anything Bondian other than that he could handle a gun and talk back to his superior. But do we really want a brooding, troubled, aloof Bond in that mould. Tom Quinn has no sense of humour whatsoever. I think it's a little lazy of Eon to test him, simply because he played a British agent in a successful TV series - though I would congratulate them on their lateral thinking approach with some of the other candidates. :) MacFadyen isn't good-looking enough to play Bond:

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That's a fairly representative picture, I think. He has a very high hairline, thin hair, a sallow complexion. Bond looks slightly foreign. This guy looks as English and drab as you can get; he looks like he's a post-graduate art history student who once went on University Challenge. Good actor, but not Bond. More importantly, he doesn't convey any Bond characteristics at all. Clive Owen is no male model, but on- and off-screen, he is almost always laconic and cool. Is MacFadyen?

Ewan Stewart - the only way to go.

#1332 ACE

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 11:50 AM

for the purposes of advertising large metallic watches and Italian suits. :)


Oh, SNF, I'm glad you're a fan of Brioni suits too and that you think they're the height of sofistication.

:)

Ewan Stewart - the only way to go.

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Kidding, riiiiight?

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 12:26 PM

However, an element overlooked is the importance of promotion. And in promotion, you have to sort of be Bond. In this area, Goran would not convince.


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if, and only if, goran can master the british accent and use it in the press conferences and interviews, a la christian bale in batman, would he be appropriate for the part. i really am only worried about goran not SOUNDING like bond.

#1334 ACE

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 12:36 PM



However, an element overlooked is the importance of promotion. And in promotion, you have to sort of be Bond. In this area, Goran would not convince.


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if, and only if, goran can master the british accent and use it in the press conferences and interviews, a la christian bale in batman, would he be appropriate for the part. i really am only worried about goran not SOUNDING like bond.

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D'accord!

John Glen identified the need for a Bond to have a good voice. Well modulated, RP English and a degree of resonance and depth.

They could "Eliza Doolittle" Goran like they did with Sean. Sean's Bond English was very different to his spoken English.

Ah well, how do you say "My name is Bond" in Serbo Croat?

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 01:19 PM

Ah well, how do you say "My name is Bond" in Serbo Croat?


You want to know?

"Zovem se Bond, James Bond"

or

"Moje ime je Bond, James Bond"

Or perhaps it should be "Jakov Bond", if you want to be very strict about it.

I think it would be interesting to have a Bond actor who can speak a language like Serbo-Croatian, which is very closely related to Russian. He would be able to plausibly and volubly speak Slavic languages, should the need arise. After all, Fleming's Bond was fluent in Russian, and I believe in one novel he even translated a Russian defense text into English, whilst commenting on the characteristics of the language.

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#1336 ACE

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 10:20 PM

Ah well, how do you say "My name is Bond" in Serbo Croat?


You want to know?

"Zovem se Bond, James Bond"

or

"Moje ime je Bond, James Bond"

Or perhaps it should be "Jakov Bond", if you want to be very strict about it.


Wow. Thanks. I'll start practising...


I think it would be interesting to have a Bond actor who can speak a language like Serbo-Croatian, which is very closely related to Russian. He would be able to plausibly and volubly speak Slavic languages, should the need arise. After all, Fleming's Bond was fluent in Russian, and I believe in one novel he even translated a Russian  defense text into English, whilst commenting on the characteristics of the language.

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Good point, Fleming's Bond did speak Russian. I think the text was his night work in GF. But his English surely was not similarly accented. Wouldn't have gone down well in Blades.

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#1337 Leon

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 06:31 PM

Yea cool, we can have Jakov Bond 007 and he can speak better Croatian (even with a native accent) than his English, cool!...

#1338 Pussfeller

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 03:36 PM

You know, it is possible to speak multiple languages, and speak them well.

#1339 Leon

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 11:05 PM

I do know, I study languages and I speak fluent French and Spanish myself (had a French and a Spanish gf which helped alot), but I am English and I could never have a perfect French or Spanish accent and never ever not make a mistake in either language now and then, to have that you need to have grown up from a baby in that country and have more contact with those people than your parents. I have seen Visnjic act and in interviews and he has a very strong Croatian/American accent and often makes the odd mistake and also has what I call "foreigners mumble" where he umms and arrs trying to make the sentence correct.

It's a very rich, thick accent and I very much doubt he could do a proper English accent most of the time, let alone just the odd slip on certain words etc.

IMHO Henry Cavill would be better, despite his age, than Visnjic out of those guys...but I do not believe in this final four anyway, I was dubious at first as it's never been actually announced by EON only rag papers, but the deciding fact is that Ewan Stewart who is supposed to be one of them...have you seen him? Here's a picture, you decide:

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Yes that IS the same Ewan Stewart, was in Titanic and the old Who Dares Wins tv film in the 80's...here's his website gallery, have a browse. http://www.geocities...agegallery.html

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 11:18 PM

The "final four" list is obviously fake, but I believe it's a misinterpretation, not a complete hoax. We can be fairly sure that O'Lachlan is a candidate, considering his statement reported on August 7th. There's also strong evidence that Cavill is/was a candidate, if Zencat's source was accurate. We have no independent confirmation on Visnjic, but if he auditioned, it was probably for the role of Le Chiffre. The same goes for Stewart, who would never have wasted his time trying out for Bond. I think a number of actors auditioned for a variety of parts, and some of their names were leaked. Some stupid newspaper guy looked at the list, didn't bother to check any of the names, and thought "Oh, they must all have auditioned for Bond!" I think we may see Visnjic or Stewart appearing in CR in a supporting role, perhaps as Le Chiffre or Mathis.

#1341 trumanlodge89

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 07:40 PM

alex is getting my vote. a fresh face is what the series needs.

#1342 tdalton

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 12:35 AM

I think that at this point, Cavill would have to get my vote out of those in the "final four". I'm actually warming up to the idea of him as Bond, since we would have someone who could carry the franchise for a long time and develop a continuity that has never been seen before in the Bond franchise. I think that getting someone young and allowing him to grow into the role may now be a good idea, since all of the big Bond names seem to be out of contention for the role now.

Still, having said that, Daniel Craig and Clive Owen are still tied as my first choice.

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 04:17 PM

I'm feeling rather excited at the moment, in anticipation of the announcement of who will be starring as James Bond in Casino Royale. Perhaps this announcement won't come for some time, but there's a little tingle in my gut that indicates big doings may be afoot (a ripple in The Force if you'll excuse the cross-fandom analogy).

I'm also feeling very un-clenched over whether my guy gets the nod. This is a nice feeling, as I've been quite guilty of getting overly provincial about this most sensational casting decision. Ever since it became apparent that Pierce mightn't be reprising, a frenzy has ensued as to who will be the next 007. My immediate reaction was to deny that Pierce was out. But when the realization dawned that he was likely a goner indeed, my first thought was: Jackman. But he seemed ruled out, according to many reports, because of Wolverine and Disney musicals. And then, as lots and lots of noise was being made about Owen, I hit on Bale as my preferred choice. When it became apparent that he was Batman, I shifted Butler into the prime position on my favorites list. Owen seemed to take a permanent back seat, in my mind, during this process. Most likely, as a catty response to all the worship he was getting on the boards! This even given that when I first saw Croupier, the thought that "he could be Bond" was strong and immediate. I've looked on Gruffudd approvingly throughout, as a kind of second-tier option. But I was almost completely close-minded in appreciating the merits of any candidates other than my small pack of faves.

As I reflect on this process, I come to the conclusion that it's just human nature to pick a horse and root him on to the finish line. What I find interesting is the process by which we pick our horses. There's lots of talk about what makes the right Bond, but ultimately for me, there is no real paradigm. It's just a gut feeling. Clive Owen, yes. Clive Robertson, no. I could write for days about the virtues of one and the failings of the other, but most of it would be stuff I'd thought up after the fact to buttress my argument. The simple fact is: some guys strike me as right for Bond and I approve. Some guys strike me as all-wrong, and I protest their even being mentioned. Which gives rise to another all-to-human activity--bickering with the other guys all the way to the finish about why my horse is best, and why yours is a sad nag ready for the meat grinder.

When this Final Four thing arose, I immediately dissed it as yet another in the long, long line of media muckups and/or PR self-promotions. And yet it may be. But now, and rather suddenly, a calm has descended upon me in regards to the CR casting circus. I am beginning to reawaken to the notion that I've thoroughly enjoyed all five Bonds thus far, and I probably wouldn't have picked any of them as my first choice at the time they were cast. I might have scratched my head at first re some of them, but when the curtains parted, they were Bond, and good Bond, and I loved them for it.

Clearly, the big difference with the search for Bond #6 is the existence of the internet. Specifically, the fan-forums and pseudo-news agencies therein, which have fueled the speculation engine. And the long wait since DAD has provided lots of time to burn the fires ever higher and hotter. When the new man is finally announced, I think it is unlikely that he will be unknown to us. And as such, many of us will have developed pre-conceived notions about him: too young, too reedy, too short, too foppish, too meaty, too this, too that. There is likely to be backlash from some (perhaps many) quarters. "They should have gone with 'X'" may be a common refrain. But ultimately, I'm inclined to feel that we will, largely, grow to appreciate Bond #6 as we have grown to appreciate the five men before him.

Once again, Eon will give us a new James Bond. Members of the fandom will either like him or dislike him. But mostly, we will like him.

That's what I think.

Bring on Bond #6!!!!



Unless it's Robertson, or Visnjic. :)

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 05:58 PM

...When this Final Four thing arose, I immediately dissed it as yet another in the long, long line of media muckups and/or PR self-promotions.  And yet it may be.  But now, and rather suddenly, a calm has descended upon me in regards to the CR casting circus.  I am beginning to reawaken to the notion that I've thoroughly enjoyed all five Bonds thus far, and I probably wouldn't have picked any of them as my first choice at the time they were cast.  I might have scratched my head at first re some of them, but when the curtains parted, they were Bond, and good Bond, and I loved them for it. 

Clearly, the big difference with the search for Bond #6 is the existence of the internet.  Specifically, the fan-forums and pseudo-news agencies therein, which have fueled the speculation engine.  And the long wait since DAD has provided lots of time to burn the fires ever higher and hotter.  When the new man is finally announced, I think it is unlikely that he will be unknown to us.  And as such, many of us will have developed pre-conceived notions about him:  too young, too reedy, too short, too foppish, too meaty, too this, too that.  There is likely to be backlash from some (perhaps many) quarters.  "They should have gone with 'X'" may be a common refrain.  But ultimately, I'm inclined to feel that we will, largely, grow to appreciate Bond #6 as we have grown to appreciate the five men before him.

Once again, Eon will give us a new James Bond. Members of the fandom will either like him or dislike him.  But mostly, we will like him.

That's what I think.

Bring on Bond #6!!!!



Unless it's Robertson, or Visnjic.  :)

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A trenchant post. I feel exactly the same way. I think that within a week of the announcement, most of us will have accepted the new guy as Bond, whether or not we would have chosen him. Of course, there are bound be a few stragglers, Brosnan loyalists, sour grapers, etc., but they'll come around by the time filming begins.

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 06:16 PM

Just want to add that Gerard Butler is 99% out of the running since he's just taken on the role of King Leonidas in Frank Miller's "300." The shooting schedule will most likely coincide with that of Casino Royale's. Hurray, right? I hope I'm wrong. :)

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 06:33 PM

...When this Final Four thing arose, I immediately dissed it as yet another in the long, long line of media muckups and/or PR self-promotions.  And yet it may be.  But now, and rather suddenly, a calm has descended upon me in regards to the CR casting circus.  I am beginning to reawaken to the notion that I've thoroughly enjoyed all five Bonds thus far, and I probably wouldn't have picked any of them as my first choice at the time they were cast.  I might have scratched my head at first re some of them, but when the curtains parted, they were Bond, and good Bond, and I loved them for it. 

Clearly, the big difference with the search for Bond #6 is the existence of the internet.  Specifically, the fan-forums and pseudo-news agencies therein, which have fueled the speculation engine.  And the long wait since DAD has provided lots of time to burn the fires ever higher and hotter.  When the new man is finally announced, I think it is unlikely that he will be unknown to us.  And as such, many of us will have developed pre-conceived notions about him:  too young, too reedy, too short, too foppish, too meaty, too this, too that.  There is likely to be backlash from some (perhaps many) quarters.  "They should have gone with 'X'" may be a common refrain.  But ultimately, I'm inclined to feel that we will, largely, grow to appreciate Bond #6 as we have grown to appreciate the five men before him.

Once again, Eon will give us a new James Bond. Members of the fandom will either like him or dislike him.  But mostly, we will like him.

That's what I think.

Bring on Bond #6!!!!



Unless it's Robertson, or Visnjic.  :)

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A trenchant post. I feel exactly the same way. I think that within a week of the announcement, most of us will have accepted the new guy as Bond, whether or not we would have chosen him. Of course, there are bound be a few stragglers, Brosnan loyalists, sour grapers, etc., but they'll come around by the time filming begins.

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just as long as its not stewart!!!

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 11:11 PM

Just want to add that Gerard Butler is 99% out of the running since he's just taken on the role of King Leonidas in Frank Miller's "300."  The shooting schedule will most likely coincide with that of Casino Royale's.  Hurray, right?  I hope I'm wrong.  :)     

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That's a shame. He would have been my third choice had Daniel Craig and Clive Owen not been able to take on the role (which it appears that they won't).

#1348 Loeffelholz

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 06:37 PM

As W.C. Fields once remarked, when standing over the grave of a friend:

"The ranks are thinning."

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Posted 19 August 2005 - 02:33 PM

Daniel Craig is beginning "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" next month. Seems unlikely that filming would end before January. Also seems unlikely he could film Casino Royale in January, if he has to promote the film.

Good.

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Posted 19 August 2005 - 02:51 PM

Daniel Craig is beginning "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" next month.  Seems unlikely that filming would end before January.  Also seems unlikely he could film Casino Royale in January, if he has to promote the film.

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I agree.

:)