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[SecretAgentFan]

Nice photos here of the recording of the score for the trailer: http://www.filmscore...22&r=447#bottom

[SecretAgentFan]

Watching the trailer again I really wonder whether Belucci is the big surprise here.

 

The scene in which she is supposed to be shot but not hit... I don´t know she looks scared but extremly dignified.  Almost as if she knew that she woud survive, acting.  The next moment she could even suppress a giggle.

 

I would absolutely love it if Bond kills her husband and saves her... and at the end she turns out to be Blofeld, with Oberhauser only her no.1, and Bond actually has to face the fact that she has pulled the strings all the time, even arranging things so he will get rid of her husband.

[thecasinoroyale]

Man. Imagine that. That'd be so bold and brave for the Bond series to do - I'd be up for that totally, SAF.

 

A real villainess rather than another damsel in distress or scorned lover being saved/killed as a result of Bond. I hope your theory comes of something.

[dirtymind]

Watching the trailer again I really wonder whether Belucci is the big surprise here.

 

The scene in which she is supposed to be shot but not hit... I don´t know she looks scared but extremly dignified.  Almost as if she knew that she woud survive, acting.  The next moment she could even suppress a giggle.

 

I would absolutely love it if Bond kills her husband and saves her... and at the end she turns out to be Blofeld, with Oberhauser only her no.1, and Bond actually has to face the fact that she has pulled the strings all the time, even arranging things so he will get rid of her husband.

 

That's not a bad idea. Actually, I love it. As long as Blofeld is not Bond's (step)brother, everything sounds good.

[dirtymind]

 

Watching the trailer again I really wonder whether Belucci is the big surprise here.

 

The scene in which she is supposed to be shot but not hit... I don´t know she looks scared but extremly dignified.  Almost as if she knew that she woud survive, acting.  The next moment she could even suppress a giggle.

 

I would absolutely love it if Bond kills her husband and saves her... and at the end she turns out to be Blofeld, with Oberhauser only her no.1, and Bond actually has to face the fact that she has pulled the strings all the time, even arranging things so he will get rid of her husband.

 

That's not a bad idea. Actually, I love it. As long as Blofeld is not Bond's (step)brother, everything sounds good.

Edit: Wait, did you just describe the plot of TWINE? 

[Major Tallon]

I like it, SecretAgentFan.  A lot.

[Guy Haines]

Hmm. Not sure about this. Why would Lucia Sciarra, if she is who you think she is, go to the trouble of getting Bond to bump off her husband, and then sit back and have him unleash the kind of havoc on the SPECTRE organisation which will no doubt follow? Once he's found out what SPECTRE is, of course.

Is it to get Bond to find Oberhauser and get rid of him? Why? If she is "you know who" she could arrange that herself. As far as I can make out from the trailer this whole movie is about Bond discovering what SPECTRE is and joining the dots from two, possibly three previous missions. Why would this head of SPECTRE want Bond to do this, pulling the strings all the time, from the moment Bond killed her husband in Mexico?

This idea has the benefit of Bond not having a link to Blofeld from way back when - Oberhauser is Oberhauser, and the link is with him - but I'm struggling to understand what Lucia would get out of Bond coming on the scene and doing more than an assassination for her.

[SecretAgentFan]

Haven´t read the script(s) and don´t want to before I see the film.  But there could easily be a reason constructed for her to use Bond´s involvement for her benefit, staying in the shadows as long as possible.

 

If her husband were a front behind which she could hide and Bond kills this guy, she could play the "poor widow" remaining innocent in Bond´s eyes - while pulling all the strings in SPECTRE.

 

Of course, as any villain in any thriller and/or Bond film, the subsequent attempts to stop the hero fail.  But when Bond in the end thinks he has put Oberhauser behind bars/killed, the real mastermind might raise her beautiful head and say: not so fast, Mr. Bond...

 

Just a thought, of course. 

[Guy Haines]

I think the only way it could work is if Oberhauser is the original head of SPECTRE and Sciarra is planning a takeover and uses Bond - and her knowledge of Oberhauser's link to Bond, whatever it is, to her advantage. It seems a convoluted way of doing it but, you know what these Bond villains are like - using overly elaborate ways and so on. ;-)

I haven't seen any leaked script either - I'm only aware of bits of information leaked, and at the time I took all of it with a pinch of salt, because scripts have a habit of being re-written, even at the last minute.

[Shrublands]

My feeling is (as with so much else) the first and most obvious rumour as to who's Blofeld will turn out to be true.

[Guy Haines]

I think you are right, shrublands. We've gone all around the houses in guessing, whether its the theme song or "who is Oberhauser" - a whole thread devoted to that, to which I put in my convoluted two-penny-worth! Christoph Waltz will be the main villain, and Oberhauser will (probably!) turn out to be Blofeld. How we get to that big reveal we shall see next month.

[thecasinoroyale]

I like how twice in the second trailer, Oberhauser is THAT comfortable and close to 007 he calls him "James", and never "Mister Bond", as many do villains or girls do at some point in trailers, much like Silva did in 'Skyfall' so Oberhauser must be close in more than just one way.

[Marcin]

By the way, the question is: will Bond call him "Franz" or, more traditionally, "Oberhauser"? 

[thecasinoroyale]

Bond usually maintains his authority and distance from the villain by using their last name, so I bet it'll be Oberhauser.

"Don't count on it Zorin."

"Where is Blofeld?"

"When I see Kananga."

"You've shot your last bolt, Stromberg."

"Heartbroken, Mr Drax."

"Sanchez's way."

"I'm sorry Mr Greene but we have to go."



BUT then again he does drop first names also.

"Sorry about that I tuned out there for a moment Elliot."

"I trusted you Alec" (Makes most sense as he was a best friend)

"I intend to. Kamal Khan."


So I provide little help on that question thinking about it, BUT I think he'll use the surname. Until Oberhauser pulls a 'Star Trek Into Darkness' on us.

"Oberhauser was just a name to cover up my real identity. My name is...Blofeld!"

[Guy Haines]

Unless Bond already knows Oberhauser's real identity - which the latter wishes to conceal - and starts calling him by his real name first?

Or as we've speculated about on the "Who is Oberhauser" thread, the villain is known within SPECTRE as Blofeld, but only Bond knows his real name is Oberhauser?

[Vauxhall]

Unless Bond already knows Oberhauser's real identity - which the latter wishes to conceal - and starts calling him by his real name first?
Or as we've speculated about on the "Who is Oberhauser" thread, the villain is known within SPECTRE as Blofeld, but only Bond knows his real name is Oberhauser?

Or vice versa, as I think Shrublands suggested at one point.

[Major Tallon]

Look at the expression on Bond's face when the light falls on Oberhauser's features as he looks up from his place at the head of the meeting table in Rome.  You'll see the recognition, and surprised recognition at that, dawn on Bond's face.  Oberhauser expected Bond, but Bond is taken completely by surprise to see this man, someone he obviously knows from another setting, leading the meeting.

[DamnCoffee]

Bond usually maintains his authority and distance from the villain by using their last name, so I bet it'll be Oberhauser.

"Don't count on it Zorin."

"Where is Blofeld?"

"When I see Kananga."

"You've shot your last bolt, Stromberg."

"Heartbroken, Mr Drax."

"Sanchez's way."

"I'm sorry Mr Greene but we have to go."



BUT then again he does drop first names also.

"Sorry about that I tuned out there for a moment Elliot."

"I trusted you Alec" (Makes most sense as he was a best friend)

"I intend to. Kamal Khan."


So I provide little help on that question thinking about it, BUT I think he'll use the surname. Until Oberhauser pulls a 'Star Trek Into Darkness' on us.

"Oberhauser was just a name to cover up my real identity. My name is...Blofeld!"

 

"I think you've made your point GOLDFINGER! Thank you for the demonstration!!!"

[Marcin]

BUT then again he does drop first names also.
[..]
"I trusted you Alec" (Makes most sense as he was a best friend)

 

I guess the rule applies to this case. 

Star Trek Into Darkness aside, naturally. If and when it turns out he's Blofeld, Bond will start calling him by his (new) last name. Or not? If Bond has known him as Franz Oberhauser for most of his life, would he autmatically start calling him 

"Blofeld" simply because the name popped up?

[ALH]

I am coming at this from a different angle.  The Skyfall photo seen in the first trailer showed young bond with the older Oberhauser who looks like Waltz (Dexter's victim, Octopussy's Father [not this reboot]) and an older boy (Franz?.) sometime near the death of James parents. 

 

Could Franz have been a contributing factor in the death of Andrew and Monique?  Is that how he is the author of Bond's pain? 

He sits a the head of the SPECTRE table in Rome, but they normally pass operational leadership around the room historically.

 

So unless the kids have forgone the Persian cat, which is an EON creation, no-one in the trailers is Blofeld.

 

If Blofeld is more than a dark shape holding a cat in this movie, I would be surprised.

 

Franz is running the Rome/Austria project for Spectre. 

 

If he killed or contributed to the death of the parents, and knew James, he would have kept eyes on him to make sure he didn't avenge them.  If Spectre knew all along, it would not have been difficult to allow Franz this liberty.

 

If Blofeld were a character and still kept the cat, then you know they would have cut the trailer to keep that mystery as the main one.  You would get the cat leaping and snarling and being petted while "Kill Bond Now!!" is repeated.

 

If Swann is what they say she is, could the SPECTRE target be the super collider in the Swiss Alps?

[Guy Haines]

First of all ALH, it's your first post, so welcome to Cbn. And it's an interesting one.

My thoughts in reply;

I think Eon have foregone the Persian cat. Long before SPECTRE was even thought of as a film, I posted here that if Blofeld was rebooted during the Craig series I doubted the cat would return. The "much loved" returnees such as Moneypenny and Q are a little different from how we remember them last time, so it wouldn't durprise me if they've gone that route with Blofeld.

Assuming, of course that Oberhauser is Blofeld. We won't know one way or the other until the film's release in a few weeks time.

Was Franz Oberhauser responsible for the deaths of Bond's parents? In the short story Octopussy, Oberhauser senior comes on the scene after Bond's parents have died, to look after Bond as a youth. There's no evidence of Oberhauser having a son of his own, adopted or otherwise. It would explain the remark "the author of all your pain" - Oberhauser junior having responsibility for the deaths of Bond's parents, but I think it more likely Oberhauser has had some behind the scenes involvement in more recent tragedies in Bond's life.

Madeleine Swann is described, by the actress who plays her, as a "doctor", but of what we don't know. What intrigues me from the main trailer over the summer is this; how come she's heard of SPECTRE? We know from the more recent plot synopsis released by the film makers that she's Mr White's daughter - has that enigmatic villain used her as his "insurance policy" - he's told her all he knows about Quantum and SPECTRE so that she'll spill the beans if anything happens to him - and is that why Hinx and his goon squad, in the trailer, are after her?

Good points raised in that first post. I look forward to hearing from you again, ALH.

[Major Tallon]

I second Guy Haines' comments, ALH.  Welcome to CBn.

[Marcin]

Madeleine Swann is described, by the actress who plays her, as a "doctor", but of what we don't know.

Curious detail: furnitures designed for dental offices, made by Polish manufacturer DesignMedical, were used in SPECTRE. I highly doubt Swann is a dentist, though. I don't know why, but form the beginning I've imagined she'd be a psychiatrist. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if she was an allergist .

[stromberg]

 

Madeleine Swann is described, by the actress who plays her, as a "doctor", but of what we don't know.

Curious detail: furnitures designed for dental offices, made by Polish manufacturer DesignMedical, were used in SPECTRE. I highly doubt Swann is a dentist, though. I don't know why, but form the beginning I've imagined she'd be a psychiatrist. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if she was an allergist .

 

Seen pictures of the furniture a while ago at a German picture agency. Interestingly, the caption to those pictures says that te pieces will appear in a scene with Monica Bellucci. This article says the same.

[Marcin]

Interesting, stromberg. I've just found another article saying that these furnitures were supposed to be used in Bellucci's office but I find it hard to believe. Two Bond girls being doctors in one movie? I'd say that's a mistake or journalist's over interpretation.

[Vauxhall]

Two mistakes I believe. Not Bellucci and not a dental clinic.

Nice furniture though!

[thecasinoroyale]

Sorry....off topic slightly but something I thought was cool....on my many views of the trailer recently, I freeze frame it to see everything I can and when Bond is knocked to his feet before Oberhauser, it looks like all the monitors are featuring CCTV/Camera shots possibly? Like he really has eyes and ears on pretty much everything.

[sharpshooter]

Sorry....off topic slightly but something I thought was cool....on my many views of the trailer recently, I freeze frame it to see everything I can and when Bond is knocked to his feet before Oberhauser, it looks like all the monitors are featuring CCTV/Camera shots possibly? Like he really has eyes and ears on pretty much everything.

Yep. It looks like Oberhauser's lair to me - very much in the traditional style of yesteryear. Maybe the closest resemblance is the interior of Drax's jungle base, with all the screens around. 

[Guy Haines]

Sorry....off topic slightly but something I thought was cool....on my many views of the trailer recently, I freeze frame it to see everything I can and when Bond is knocked to his feet before Oberhauser, it looks like all the monitors are featuring CCTV/Camera shots possibly? Like he really has eyes and ears on pretty much everything.

Which may explain this question and answer from the trailer;

Bond - "Tell me where he is"

Mr. White - "He's EVERYWHERE!"

Big brother Oberhauser is watching you!

[Hockey Mask]

I saw the Spectre trailer during ESPN's NFL Week 1 pregame show. It's officially football and Bond season.