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[Call Billy Bob]

To see how it plays out onscreen! With all due respect, that's almost like saying what's the point of seeing a movie twice? I don't want to side-track the original topic, so for those interested, we do have a dedicated *non-spoiler* thread where people can discuss their own "to spoil or not to spoil" preferences at http://debrief.comma...ree-discussion/

 
Actually, it is in no way the same thing.

For you it isn't. For me it almost is.
 

When I go to see a movie for the first time, I want to be surprised by it. I want to experience the story that the filmmakers are telling for the first time.  Reading the script and other bits of information the hackers stole would rob me of that experience.  With repeated viewings, sure, you're not getting that initial experience, but by reading the entire film before you actually see it, I'd be robbing myself of ever having that experience at all.

But here's the thing. You want to be surprised. You want that initial "virgin" experience. I don't. Horses for courses, of course. Again, we hashed this out in the other thread. Some people love spoilers, others hate 'em. We all gave our reasons. It does seem that age is a factor.

 

I don't get all these crazy theories. The plot of the film is available to read to all and as been since at least december.
Did no one read it? You can just google it and find numerous news about it.

This is the non-spoiler section, so most have chosen not to pursue those reports.

I have to defend Stamper here. I presume that he doesn't understand why people will theorize about the story if they don't want to know the answer. I guess Stamper assumes - rightly or wrongly - that if a person openly theorizes about the film, that must mean they want to know, and if they want to know, why not just check out the spoilers? Other than showing off one's imagination, what good is openly theorizing? (Other than, "Well, because it's fun and this is an open forum and we can say what we like!")

Imagine a child excitedly discussing what he thinks he may have gotten for Christmas in front of his parents ad nauseum. Sooner or later one of the parents will tell the child, "You got a lump of coal in your stocking and a new pair of Y-fronts. Now sit down and finish your porridge."

A+, glidrose.

[glidrose]

I can't even say that I understand the point of this post.  You come into the non-spoiler section of the forum, criticize those of us who don't want to read the stolen information and have the movie completely spoiled for us, and then dismiss the opinion opposite of yours by saying that we'd already hashed all of this out before, even though you were the one who instigated this round of the argument in the first place.  Then, to top it off, you condescend based on age, holding your opinion up as though it's more valid because, I'm presuming, you're older than those of us who don't want to have spoilers in the non-spoiler forum?
 
I'm not trying to pick an argument.  I'm really not.  I just simply don't understand the point of your post at all.

 
Sigh... please, let's keep calm. Friendly discussion and all, shall we?

Please go back and read my original posts.

I didn't criticize anybody who doesn't want to read the stolen information. I didn't criticize anybody who doesn't want the movie completely spoiled for them.

You were the one who said, "What's the point of going to the movie if you can read every minute detail about it a year in advance?" I felt compelled to respond.

I didn't dismiss the opinion opposite of mine when I said that we'd already hashed this out. What I did do was try to keep the initial discussion on-track and if anybody wanted to hash it out some more, here's this other thread to do it in. Here's my original quote: "I don't want to side-track the original topic [emphasis added], so for those interested, we do have a dedicated *non-spoiler* thread where people can discuss their own "to spoil or not to spoil" preferences at http://debrief.comma...ree-discussion/ "
 
Your misreading of my "age" comments baffles me. For the life of me I don't understand how you read any of *that* into it. I really don't.
 
But let's keep this friendly, shall we? I'll even let you buy me drinks in the QoS Lounge.

[Odd Jobbies]

Err, c'mon folk, isn't this the teaser thread?

[Vauxhall]

Does anyone know who did the music for the teaser trailer?

Afraid I don't, but I thought the opening bars as the boat passed the old MI6 sounded very familiar. Can anyone place it? Perhaps from a previous trailer, or even SKYFALL?

[Goodnight]

Lot of spoilers here for the non spoiler thread.

Victor Zokas and Vauxhall, I thought I read a few months ago that they got Thomas Newman back on board to score the film.

[Vauxhall]

Lot of spoilers here for the non spoiler thread.
Victor Zokas and Vauxhall, I thought I read a few months ago that they got Thomas Newman back on board to score the film.

Yes, that's right, but the main composer hasn't always necessarily scored the trailer as well. Would be great if it was Newman though.

[tdalton]

 

Lot of spoilers here for the non spoiler thread.
Victor Zokas and Vauxhall, I thought I read a few months ago that they got Thomas Newman back on board to score the film.

Yes, that's right, but the main composer hasn't always necessarily scored the trailer as well. Would be great if it was Newman though.

 

 

Isn't it usually a marketing company or marketing wing of the studio that puts the trailers together, including the music?  I seem to remember somebody saying something like that during the lead-up to either Quantum of Solace or Skyfall.  I would love it if that actually was Newman's work.  I really liked the chimes playing out a section of the Bond theme as Bond stepped up to the railing overlooking the SPECTRE meeting.

[Odd Jobbies]

They use whatever they want to score trailers. Many trailers use music from other movies, so long as they can get it cleared of course.

 

I thought the best recent example of this was the Godzilla trailer; under the sublimely beautiful shot of the marines doing a HALO dive into a city i'm pretty sure they used the score from the stargate sequence in Kubrick's 2001.  It worked perfectly - awe inspiring. Unfortunately they didn't use it in the actual movie and as a result the scene was a little anti-climactic after seeing/hearing the trailer.

[tdalton]

They use whatever they want to score trailers. Many trailers use music from other movies, so long as they can get it cleared of course.

 

I thought the best recent example of this was the Godzilla trailer; under the sublimely beautiful shot of the marines doing a HALO dive into a city i'm pretty sure they used the score from the stargate sequence in Kubrick's 2001.  It worked perfectly - awe inspiring. Unfortunately they didn't use it in the actual movie and as a result the scene was a little anti-climactic after seeing/hearing the trailer.

 

Now that you mention it, I do remember that they've done this for a few trailers I remember seeing over the years.  I remember Valkyrie and The Box using the the theme from Saw in their trailers.  

 

Still, I hope that the music in the SPECTRE trailer at least reflects, at least in some small way, what Newman is going for with the film.  The chimes towards the end were pretty cool and lent a nice, creepy effect to the SPECTRE meeting and Oberhauser's voiceover.    

[Odd Jobbies]

Yep, i'd bet the 007 chimes at the end are indeed from Newman himself and part of SPECTRE's score - very nice.

 

 (Bond's sleeper activation trigger, perhaps  )

[Harmsway]

It's highly unlikely Newman had any part in the trailer.

[sharpshooter]

It's highly unlikely Newman had any part in the trailer.

I agree. His scoring duties will come later, I'm sure. For example Michael Giacchino is just getting around to score Jurassic World.

[Odd Jobbies]

Well that chime ends up in the movie i wonder who'll take credit?

[tdalton]

While I doubt, as others have already said, that it's actually Newman's work in the trailer, I suppose that there is a (slight) chance that it could be at least influenced by what Newman's doing.  According to Broccoli and Wilson in the interview that's posted in another thread, he's already working on scoring the film.  We know that he's at least done some work on the Mexico scenes.

[Odd Jobbies]

While I doubt, as others have already said, that it's actually Newman's work in the trailer, I suppose that there is a (slight) chance that it could be at least influenced by what Newman's doing.  According to Broccoli and Wilson in the interview that's posted in another thread, he's already working on scoring the film.  We know that he's at least done some work on the Mexico scenes.

This.

[DamnCoffee]

Interesting to read comments regarding the trailer music. Those Bond chimes at the end sound surprisingly Newman. Even though Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall had specifically made trailer music, the one for Spectre sounds a just a bit above average. It would be a shame if that little chime/bell motif didn't make it into Spectre thinking about it. Haven't got the biggest shivvers from a Bond theme like that in years. 

[tdalton]

The chimes seem to be, at least to me, a bit more artistic than the type of music that we've heard in the teaser trailers for the other Craig films.  Surely, part of that has to do with the fact that there is zero action in this one whereas the other trailers had sections of them that were very heavy on action, but hopefully it also means that it might be part of what Newman's bringing to the project this time around. 

[DaveBond21]

 

While I doubt, as others have already said, that it's actually Newman's work in the trailer, I suppose that there is a (slight) chance that it could be at least influenced by what Newman's doing.  According to Broccoli and Wilson in the interview that's posted in another thread, he's already working on scoring the film.  We know that he's at least done some work on the Mexico scenes.

This.

 

 

Yes, Newman has written the music for the Mexican Day of the Dead parade.

 

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[sharpshooter]

So just the parade music, and not the actual soundtrack?

[The Dove]

No, Newman is doing the entire soundtrack..

[sharpshooter]

No, Newman is doing the entire soundtrack..

Obviously, but that's not what I meant. I meant currently - is he just working on the parade music and not the actual soundtrack yet?

[DaveBond21]

Yes, the interview said that he had composed the parade music only at this point.

[Marketto007]

For those interested, I've managed to extract the audio channels from the original DVCPro file of the trailer.

 

SPECTRE TEASER TRAILER (MUSIC ONLY)

 

SPECTRE TEASER TRAILER (DIALOGUE ONLY) 

[SecretAgentFan]

Well done!  Fascinating how one can hear even more details when music and dialogue are separated.

[Vauxhall]

Nice work! I always wish there were easy ways to split up those bits of audio.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

When I first watched the trailer I was reminded of this:

 

https://youtu.be/tHcjzWsDVnk?t=57s

[tdalton]

Well done!  Fascinating how one can hear even more details when music and dialogue are separated.

 

Agreed on the detail.  It was detectable before, but you do get a better listen to that strange delivery of the word "name" in Craig's line "I was a meeting and your name came up."  Very similar to the awkward delivery of "You know the whole story" from Skyfall.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I don't see how it's "strange" at all.

[DamnCoffee]

Agreed. Love Craigs delivery of that line. He has a tendency to make normal lines sound fresh and just that little bit different. 

[SecretAgentFan]

 

Well done!  Fascinating how one can hear even more details when music and dialogue are separated.

 

Agreed on the detail.  It was detectable before, but you do get a better listen to that strange delivery of the word "name" in Craig's line "I was a meeting and your name came up."  Very similar to the awkward delivery of "You know the whole story" from Skyfall.

 

 

Do you mean strange in the sense of stressing the fact that Mr. White´s (real) name was mentioned?  I could imagine that SPECTRE will not necessarily refer to him by his code name.  

 

And the way he says "You know the whole story" in SKYFALL, do you mean awkward in the sense of vulnerable, for a moment not so self-confident?  Because that´s what I always felt when I heard Craig´s delivery of this line.