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#181 Goodnight

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 07:55 PM

Ten minutes!!!'


Nope, sorry to disappoint, but 12h07m...
I do apolgise sir, I was getting ahead of myself.
(I could have sworn I read AM)

Christ Almighty! I couldn't have got it more wrong, first of all I jumped the gun, swearing blind it was being shown at 11:45 AM on Friday, then in the evening I took a few hours kip before with my alarm primed to go off at 11:40PM, then somehow managed to sleep through the most obnoxious sound in the world, then finally at 6AM I saw it!

Looks like we will be in for good'un.

Note to self: Do Not be late for the premiere!!!

#182 JCRendle

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 08:10 PM

Note to self: Do Not be late for the premiere!!!

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#183 glidrose

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Posted 28 March 2015 - 08:26 PM

Anybody notice the guardianship papers typo? "Resposibilities" for "responsibilities".

And why does that guy in the photo look like Liam Neeson? Or do my eyes need fixing? I'm sure I've seen him somewhere else before...

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 01:59 AM

What stood out to me more than typos in the Guardianship papers was the date of the temporary guardianship : either January 27th of 1983 or 1985 (can't tell the difference of the last number) and the "Age of Minor" as "12 Years".  That would put Bond's birthyear as 1971 or 1973.   These dates contradict the 007.com website that was up for Casino Royale where the dossier referenced Bond's birthyear as 1967 or 1968 (I don't remember).  Either way, Bond is getting younger even within the same actors continuity.



#185 Call Billy Bob

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 05:32 AM

"Welcome James. It's been a long time. And finally, here we are."

Did anyone feel like this was directed directly at them like I did.

Good too see you too SPECTRE. Finally.

OH! Nice thought!

#186 Guy Haines

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 07:09 AM

Some interesting points and theories here. My view;

 

1) Quantum was blown in the film that bears its name in its title. The opera house scene, and then whatever Dominic Greene told Bond before being lost in the desert. The deleted scene intended for the end, in which Mr White  tries to assassinate Guy Haines, suggests he was covering his tracks by getting rid of the high level members who panicked when Bond spoiled their night at the opera.

 

2) SPECTRE emerges out of the wreckage of Quantum, or might have been controlling it in the shadows all along. In the book Thunderball we are told that Blofeld formed a number of "syndicates" with fancy names before founding SPECTRE. Something similar could have happened here, but on a much bigger scale. And in the real world of legitimate business it's not unknown for companies to change names. With knowledge of "Quantum" now in the private domain of the intelligence sector, wouldn't make sense to wind it up and regroup?

 

3) For reasons already mentioned above, I doubt that Mr White is really Hannes Oberhauser, unless he had radically changed his appearance. And even then there are , to use a word from CR 2006, "tells" - giveaways that people have difficulty hiding. In the book OHMSS, Blofeld had changed radically, save in one respect, something he could do nothing about except use contact lenses. I might be proved wrong - lets not forget that SPECTRE wouldn't feature at all had the rights to it not been settled, and White's fate should have been death at the end of QoS, so some kind of backstory about him could be cobbled together for the film Spectre. But I have my doubts. He's fallen foul of SPECTRE, I think, and the next character;

 

4) Franz Oberhauser. Either he really is Oberhauser junior and in one of those incredible co-incidences Bond is pitted against someone he knew, temporarily, in his early teens. Or Oberhauser Jnr. really was Ernst Blofeld under another name in his youth and Bond didn't know - why should he? (And the book Thunderball provides precedents for Blofeld changing his name and appearance before deciding to return to his birth name.) Maybe at some point in the new film Oberhauser's "real identity" is revealed one way or another. Or;

 

5) "Oberhauser" has been doing his homework about Bond. This British agent who has cost Quantum/SPECTRE "time, money and effort", as Dr No once said, might be the target of a very personal revenge by Blofeld, with the latter adopting the name Oberhauser, changing his appearance to match, and using what he's learnt about Bond to try and undermine him and MI6. It sounds bizarre I know, but is it as bizarre as any other theories about Oberhauser=Blofeld?

 

6) Oberhauser isn't Blofeld - someone else is. That is a possibility - inverting the screen treatment idea from the 1970s for TSWLM about a "coup" within SPECTRE. Oberhauser is defeated in Spectre but the organisation endures and someone else takes over and that someone is ESB, who we don't see until the next movie. But it is a bit clunky and repetitive, I think - Quantum is blown, re-emerges/is taken over by SPECTRE, which in turn is defeated and its leader Oberhauser  is captured or killed, only for SPECTRE 2.0 to appear in the next film with "you know who" finally in charge.

 

7) Andrew Scott's character is really ESB? It's an interesting idea - Bond out in the field causing havoc while the real "Number One" is at home in the back office quietly causing trouble - and running SPECTRE? - from the heart of British Intelligence. Again it would fit the description of "Blofeld;The Early Years" in the book Thunderball as the back office boy making a few bob on the side by trading secrets. But that was in ESB's early days. We're considering here someone at the highest level of British intelligence running a global crime syndicate. Isn't there a risk of being found out? Then again there are real life precedents of British intelligence chiefs working for the opposition. Interesting, but I have my doubts.



#187 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 10:44 AM

What stood out to me more than typos in the Guardianship papers was the date of the temporary guardianship : either January 27th of 1983 or 1985 (can't tell the difference of the last number) and the "Age of Minor" as "12 Years". That would put Bond's birthyear as 1971 or 1973.

It was indeed not easy to read, so I froze that frame on my projector and at that size I could see that it says 1983.

That means that unless his birthday is between 1st and 27th january (less than 13 to 1 chance) he was very likely born in 1970.

Also the Pearson biography places his birthday upon November 11th - chosen no doubt because its remembrance day for war vets.

This all tickles me no end as it means Mr Bond was born just a few days from when I popped into the world myself - at least until they change it again ;)

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 29 March 2015 - 10:56 AM.


#188 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 11:28 AM

Guy Haines, great post.

I think that it's entirely possible that Logan could contrive a way (however implausible) that a White is the foster father. It's just emotionally too meaty for Logan and Mendes to resist. If children such as bond and probably waltz and Scott were put into care by an organisation wishing to mould them for espionage then a form of brain washing/conditioning is not implausible. Once that's established its not a hard sell for Bond to only be recovering these memories now as he digs into his past.
Remember, in Skyfall M says that orphans make the best recruits for MI6, so it's good story symmetry if the same is true for the villains, SPECTRE.

If White is not the foster father the he's the one that killed Bond's parents and fasilitated Bond's adoption to by a SECTRE asset. But it's dramatically less potent than White himself being the foster dad.

But Scott is the wild card here. I think ithere's a good chance that he is Blofeld. He wants Oberhauser dethroned, but being a sneaky bugger he has Bond do this for him, posing as an ally apparently helping Bond to track down Oberhauser. The movie ending with Scott's reveal as ESB. Its all maybe a bit to tricksy and Waltz would nail Blofeld, where as Scott's Moriarty was way too overblown and panto for my tastes, but that might be exactly what Eon want.

#189 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 12:56 PM

Skull connection: I watched Skyfall last night and noticed that the skulls used in the messages that Silva sends to M look very much like Mexican 'Day of The Dead' skulls.

 

SPECTRE's pre-title sequence is apparently what is being shot now in Mexico, amid a Day of the Dead parade. So could there be a connection?  Could SPECTRE start with Bond following that lead on Silva. It does  almost suggest that Silva was affiliated with Quantum or SPECTRE.



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Posted 29 March 2015 - 01:18 PM

Or perhaps Silva just likes sugar skulls.



#191 sharpshooter

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 01:20 PM

Yeah, I don't see any connection here. 



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Posted 29 March 2015 - 01:34 PM

Oh god, how dispiriting. Yes, it's beautifully shot but you know what...I couldn't give a kite. CR was the best bond movie in decades, if not ever, (well the first three quarters of it anyway) but since then it's all been so f-in personal with a capital P. Bond needs to stop moping around and get himself a girlfriend. Or a hobby he really enjoys. I'll turn like the pathetic specimen I am in the hope of hearing the bond theme or a nice quip or two but on the strength of this trailer it's gonna be another bore fest of Skyfall proportions. I appreciate this is only a trailer and I hope I am wrong, so I await further trailers with an open mind. But on the strength of this misery fest, a feat considering you have Christopher waltz as the big bad, count me severely underwhelmed.
And one more thing...please can someone give me some advice on how to post into something other than a time white postage stamp sized box?
Thanks

#193 stromberg

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 01:57 PM

And one more thing...please can someone give me some advice on how to post into something other than a time white postage stamp sized box?
Thanks

Click and hold the three bars in the bottom right corner of the box to adjust the box size.

Also, you can click on "More Reply Options", which opens a larger box (with adjustable size, too).



#194 MrKidd

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 02:03 PM

Danke Mr Stromberg. It still doesn't seem to work but I appreciate your reply.

#195 JCRendle

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 02:04 PM

Bond needs to stop moping around and get himself a girlfriend. Or a hobby he really enjoys.

 

I think he has a hobby he really enjoys. Killing people ;)



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Posted 29 March 2015 - 02:08 PM

Then why doesn't he smile a bit more then? What's the point of a hobby if it doesn't make you happy?

Bond needs to stop moping around and get himself a girlfriend. Or a hobby he really enjoys.

 
I think he has a hobby he really enjoys. Killing people ;)


#197 Vauxhall

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 02:26 PM

Danke Mr Stromberg. It still doesn't seem to work but I appreciate your reply.


If you're on a mobile device (phone/tablet), scroll to the bottom of the page and select Use Mobile Version. That will make a bigger box.

#198 MrKidd

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 03:05 PM

Ahhh that's it! The colour's all gone slightly turbo but I have a bigger box. Thank you.

#199 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 03:45 PM

Yeah, I don't see any connection here. 

Skyfall:

Skyfall_Skull_Prototype.jpg

 

SPECTRE:

spectre-image-mexico-city-2.jpg?fit=3000

 

Sure, nothing in coming whatsoever....!



#200 Vauxhall

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 05:26 PM

It's a really good idea, but sadly I think it is just a coincidence!

#201 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 05:41 PM

Skulls featured heavily in SF's title sequence, so i guess it was just thematic rather than a plot point. If not though, it'll indeed be a nice link.



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Posted 29 March 2015 - 05:59 PM

Like Vauxhall stated, I think it's purely coincidence.



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Posted 29 March 2015 - 09:48 PM

This is the non-spoiler thread right?

 

How come there are spoilers on here?



#204 Call Billy Bob

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 10:38 PM

This is the non-spoiler thread right?
 
How come there are spoilers on here?

"The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone." ;)



#205 JCRendle

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 10:43 PM

This is the non-spoiler thread right?
 
How come there are spoilers on here?

"The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone." ;)

"No, the Red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the White zone."

#206 The Dove

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 10:55 PM

" Listen Betty, don't give me your White Zone S*** again!! " lol!!

#207 JCRendle

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Posted 29 March 2015 - 11:01 PM

"Don't tell me which zone is for stopping, and which zone is for loading"

#208 Guy Haines

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 12:11 AM

Hi Odd Jobbies,

 

And many thanks for your comments about my (over long) post.

 

I think the only problem I have is with White=Oberhauser senior.  That "temporary guardianship" shown in the trailer would surely be something that would affect the young Bond, one way or another. It certainly affected Bond in the short story "Octopussy", from which the Oberhauser link has been taken. I can't believe that Bond wouldn't have realised that White was in fact his former temporary guardian when he met him properly at the end of CR 2006 -even if White's appearance had changed somewhat. There are, as I mentioned earlier, "tells" people can do little about.

 

Mr White is in this new film to tie in the first two films with the events unfolding, I think. That said - and here's a thought - supposing he's not Oberhauser senior but Blofeld's dad? Wouldn't be the first time a family business has ended in tears! (I once worked for one and I know what I'm talking about! ;))



#209 tdalton

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 12:59 AM

Perhaps this has already been brought up, but wouldn't Bond have noticed that Mr. White was "Oberhauser Sr." when their paths had crossed in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace?



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 01:11 AM

Yeah, I don't buy that. It's bit soapy, everybody being interrelated.