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[DamnCoffee]

Have we actually heard Amy Pond laugh, like, ever?

PLUS...

Spoiler

Jason Isaacs is apparently lined up to play OMEGA in the finale.

[Zorin Industries]

Not sure about that last thought MHarkin.

[DamnCoffee]

It is quite a mouthful isn't it. I got it from a site, containing quite a lot of major spoilers from the finale. We'll have to wait until tomorrow night, to see if they turn out to be correct. Here is what we've got so far...

Spoiler

The "Future Doctor" thing from 'Flesh and Stone' DOES happen, and has been confirmed by people who have seen the scripts. *

The Pandorica has a rather useful feature, in that it keeps you alive... forever. (Which is good, considering what just happened to Amy.)

Amy has a very special brain because she grew up next to the crack for so long.

Auton-Rory is responsible for releasing the Doctor, and Amy gets locked inside the Pandorica while the Doctor goes off to find the right "fuel" to bring her back to life, leaving Rory to guard the box. Stuff happens and Rory is left waiting a LONG TIME, hence the "love that lasts a thousand years." He becomes "The Lone Centurion" and is spotted throughout time guarding the box. (and as some fans have pointed out, this actually makes him chronologically older than the Doctor now!)

Rory doesn't stay an Auton though, and he supposedly ends up human by the end.

The TARDIS does explode, but it's not how you think.

There is a wedding at the end, and one person who has seen the episode says that the ending is cheesily reminiscent of The Wizard of Oz.

Finally, there are some pretty strong indications that Omega shows up at the end. (possibly played by Jason Isaacs, aka Lucius Malfoy from the Harry Potter films) He may not be a traditional big bad though, and it's possible that his appearance is just a teaser for bigger events to occur in Series 6.

The main evidence in favor of the evil Time Lord's return come from two independent posters on Gallifrey Base; one who claims to have seen some concept art, and another who says that he was shown a suit of black "armor" with big gauntlets labled as "Omega." As for Jason Isaacs taking over the role, he was seen entering a closed door meeting with Steven Moffat, Mark Gatiss, and John Simm a few months back (after this episode was filmed, though). This led to much speculation that he could be taking over the role of the Master next year (or possibly just appearing in a future season of 'Sherlock', which Moffat and Gatiss also produce), but considering that another informant has teased that "a Harry Potter actor has a surprise role in the finale," some of that speculation has shifted towards him possibly being Omega instead.

* More explanation on the first point...

Spoiler

Apparently, during Flesh and Stone, when the Doctor came up to Amy and said "Remember what I told you when you were seven.", wasn't the Doctor from Flesh and Stone, and it was the Doctor from the Pandorica.

[David Schofield]

Are we going to find out that Amy Pond and River Song are one in the same tomorrow...?

[Zorin Industries]

Are we going to find out that Amy Pond and River Song are one in the same tomorrow...?

Spoiler

Possibly. I have said since day one that a smaller river is a pond (don't laugh). It could well be that half of what we have seen this series is a bit BACK TO THE FUTURE - i.e. The Pandorica-trapped DOCTOR having to set things up throughout time to help himself - including citing AMY in a place where he could find her and know that certain things are in place that he needs. The DOCTOR could well be the one that has to destroy a TARDIS as the mind of AMY POND has created one... but he already has one and there cannot be two.

And the cracks may not just be in her room. It could well be how she got to this planet and our time in the first place.

Episode One:

DOCTOR WHO : "Amelia Pond... as in a fairytale".

[DamnCoffee]

Very interesting...

Matt Smith has revealed that an "important character" will return to Doctor Who in Saturday's finale.

Speaking on This Morning, Smith added that he was emotional when he watched the episode.

"There's an important character coming back, but I can't say who," he said. "But it is very significant - it's a cracker!"

"I watched it and was quite emotional probably because it was the end of the series and we'd worked so hard and we'd got there. I watched it with Karen [Gillan] and we were like, 'Woo hoo!'"

Smith also revealed that he feels more comfortable playing the Doctor now.

"[Filming the series] was quite an intense experience and it was quite hard work, and the pressure of taking over the mantle of David [Tennant] was present," he said. "But I feel I've grown in confidence and I can't wait to start series two... and I'm going to read the Christmas episode this week!"

[Peaceful]

Ok. So,

Spoiler

I know imdb can't be completely trusted, but I had a look at the cast list for eps 12 & 13 and there is an actor by the name of Ian Collier credited as playing Omega.
What also interesting is that it says that he died in 2008. John Simm is also credited (as The Master) and Philip Madoc's credit is no longer. (There goes my War Lord theory)
Again. Yes I know imdb can get it wrong sometimes.

[Tybre]

Wasn't perfect, but better than even the best of RTD's finales. Nice to see the Moff leaving some plot threads dangling for future use instead of trying to tie it all up in a pretty ribbon in the span of an hour.

Roll on Christmas.

Spoiler

Especially if concept art is to be believed. Robot Yetis may well be making a return

[Royal Dalton]

1) Absolute codswallop.

2) Very entertaining.

3) Matt Smith was excellent.

4) Fezes are cool.

5) The end of The Eleventh Hour wasn't explained.

Roll on Christmas.

Spoiler

Especially if concept art is to be believed. Robot Yetis may well be making a return

Well, let's hope it's better than

Spoiler

Downtime.

[Lachesis]

In the end it delivered imo, Moffats use of time and the shows core concepts is so refreshing after the 'magic reset' buttons of RTD's day. The story telling is also far more akin to the old series (pre RTD) in the clarity of the narrative and involvement of the viewer. No it wasn't perfect, there are certianly a few causal issues tbh but this knitted the preceeding season more convincingly and satisfactorily than any arc has done previously, and it still left enough in the tank to whet our appetites for the future.... Also special shout out to Matt Smith and the regulars who all excel even by their own high standards...no I didnt beleiev this was the final end but they still evoked a hell of a lot despite my celuloid cynicism!

[marktmurphy]

Loads of fun: enjoyed it a great deal.

[David Schofield]

Similar reset theme to most of RTD's stuff. Can't anybody be original anymore????

But the difference was Smith. When the show finally became "his" after the face to face with Amy - before he was shot into where ever he was shot into - didn't he confirm he really gets WHO, gets the emotional level required?

Not the angsty, OTT scenery chewing of Tennant's Dr Suffering.

Brilliant, subtle stuff from Smithy.

[sharpshooter]

Brilliant episode, the best finale of the relaunch for me.

There were some great moments:

http://unrealityshou...ts-the-big-bang

[Lachesis]

Similar reset theme to most of RTD's stuff. Can't anybody be original anymore????

But the difference was Smith. When the show finally became "his" after the face to face with Amy - before he was shot into where ever he was shot into - didn't he confirm he really gets WHO, gets the emotional level required?

Not the angsty, OTT scenery chewing of Tennant's Dr Suffering.

Brilliant, subtle stuff from Smithy.

I think the difference with this reset is how it actually used the shows preexisting lore and logic....too often RTD just made stuff up out of nowhere, no precedent no discipline and no way the audience could be involved in the evolution of a solution.

Agree absolutely about the emotional level, Smith is one of the orginal style Doctors 1-4 in style and feel, yet the series is bang up to date...just what I want in 'Who'.

[Harry Fawkes]

The Big Bang! Veeeeery good episode. Really enjoyed it and it seemes Mr Smith and co have made the series their very own now. Am looking forward to Christmas now. Can't wait. Anyone know if they'll be releasing the soundtrack to MS Dr who series?

[DamnCoffee]

I don't think they'd be much on it if they did. I can't remember one piece of original music they've used, apart from that dreadful new Doctors theme and its renditions.

But yes. The Big Bang, VERY good episode, and a fitting end to the series. Roll on Christmas and Series 6.

[Harry Fawkes]

PS, just finnished watching S1 of Torchwood and it has me hooked. Going to start series 2 now and looking forward to it. Missed it when it came out you see. Captain jack and team are cool. Dr who for grown ups and no less. Nice find I must say. Surprised there's no appreciation thread around.

HF

Oh, Mharkin, I can't stop humming the new Doctor's theme. I love it:)

[DamnCoffee]

I prefer the older one. I miss the old Doctors theme, and The Doctor Forever. Hopefully they'll make a return.

[Zorin Industries]

Ok. So,

Spoiler

I know imdb can't be completely trusted, but I had a look at the cast list for eps 12 & 13 and there is an actor by the name of Ian Collier credited as playing Omega.
What also interesting is that it says that he died in 2008. John Simm is also credited (as The Master) and Philip Madoc's credit is no longer. (There goes my War Lord theory)
Again. Yes I know imdb can get it wrong sometimes.

IMDB is absolute rubbish tosh. It gets some of its listings right (which is not rocket science when people are contributing for you) but I would never use it for the final word on anything. It is also used-led.

[Lachesis]

Ok. So,

Spoiler

I know imdb can't be completely trusted, but I had a look at the cast list for eps 12 & 13 and there is an actor by the name of Ian Collier credited as playing Omega.
What also interesting is that it says that he died in 2008. John Simm is also credited (as The Master) and Philip Madoc's credit is no longer. (There goes my War Lord theory)
Again. Yes I know imdb can get it wrong sometimes.

IMDB is absolute rubbish tosh. It gets some of its listings right (which is not rocket science when people are contributing for you) but I would never use it for the final word on anything. It is also used-led.

I think thats true, I also suspect that misinfomration may have been employed to disguise who or what is really behind it although my money is that the guy building the home made TARDIS and behind to plot to erase all of Creation using the Doctors TARDIS is... (not really a spoiler as I dont know but in case anyone wants a clean view of next season)

Spoiler

The man who knows TARDIS' inside out better than anyone ie Omega.

[Zorin Industries]

No. In this instance, mis-information is not employed by people on the likes of IMDB. To be fair, the creators of a show/juggernaut like DOCTOR WHO have slightly more pressing things occupying their time.

[marktmurphy]

Similar reset theme to most of RTD's stuff. Can't anybody be original anymore????

But the difference was Smith. When the show finally became "his" after the face to face with Amy - before he was shot into where ever he was shot into - didn't he confirm he really gets WHO, gets the emotional level required?

Not the angsty, OTT scenery chewing of Tennant's Dr Suffering.

Brilliant, subtle stuff from Smithy.

I think the difference with this reset is how it actually used the shows preexisting lore and logic....too often RTD just made stuff up out of nowhere, no precedent no discipline and no way the audience could be involved in the evolution of a solution.

Agree absolutely about the emotional level, Smith is one of the orginal style Doctors 1-4 in style and feel, yet the series is bang up to date...just what I want in 'Who'.

If this had been on a similar reset theme to RTD's stuff the plot wouldn't make sense, there'd be more technononsense in order to get the plot out of the way so we can get to the crying, and then there'd be even more crying.

I genuinely prefer the satisfying plot resolution of this episode to the feeling of being emotionally manipulated by the hollow and means-to-an-end plotting of Journey's End or End of Time. Neither approach is perfect, and I'd like to have more of the scenes like the Tenth Doctor talking to Wilf on the spaceship where a genuine emotional connection is made, but ultimately RTD's finales were just some Big Scenes he'd thought of, strung together by plotting that didn't make sense but was just there to bridge the gaps between the Big Scenes. This episode actually showed you how and why the plot was going to be resolved, rather than just telling you that it's resolved so they could get to a bit of crying in the TARDIS.

He's a clever plotter, that Moffat. I loved the 'something old, something new...' etc. idea, and even the Fez had a part to play in the plot as well as being really funny!

[Tybre]

I still fail to see why the fez had to be destroyed. I mean sure, I know why they wrote that bit in, but c'mon. Fezes are cool.

[DamnCoffee]

The 'something old, something new...' idea was so simple, and had me screaming at the TV as to why I didn't think of it before. Praise the Moff!

[Lachesis]

No. In this instance, mis-information is not employed by people on the likes of IMDB. To be fair, the creators of a show/juggernaut like DOCTOR WHO have slightly more pressing things occupying their time.

Oh I dont know, the Radio Times used to put anagrams of the Master's name in print to keep his involvement a mystery...its nothing more than a progression of the same concept adapted for an increasingly infomation soaked viewership.

Agree about the 'something old, something new....' deceptively simple but brilliant in the way it comes across.

[Zorin Industries]

No. In this instance, mis-information is not employed by people on the likes of IMDB. To be fair, the creators of a show/juggernaut like DOCTOR WHO have slightly more pressing things occupying their time.

Oh I dont know, the Radio Times used to put anagrams of the Master's name in print to keep his involvement a mystery...its nothing more than a progression of the same concept adapted for an increasingly infomation soaked viewership.

Agree about the 'something old, something new....' deceptively simple but brilliant in the way it comes across.

Yeah, the RADIO TIMES is not connected to the people that make DOCTOR WHO - other than they all come under the BBC umbrella. I really don't think the DOCTOR WHO camp worry about false rumours. The fans cover that for them anyway - as this last week has shown.

[marktmurphy]

No. In this instance, mis-information is not employed by people on the likes of IMDB. To be fair, the creators of a show/juggernaut like DOCTOR WHO have slightly more pressing things occupying their time.

Oh I dont know, the Radio Times used to put anagrams of the Master's name in print to keep his involvement a mystery...its nothing more than a progression of the same concept adapted for an increasingly infomation soaked viewership.

Agree about the 'something old, something new....' deceptively simple but brilliant in the way it comes across.

Yeah, the RADIO TIMES is not connected to the people that make DOCTOR WHO - other than they all come under the BBC umbrella. I really don't think the DOCTOR WHO camp worry about false rumours. The fans cover that for them anyway - as this last week has shown.

Off the top of my head; Terry Malloy was credited onscreen (not just in the RT) as 'Roy Tromelly' in Remembrance of the Daleks to hide the fact that the Dalek Emperor was Davros. That also happened with the Master too: 'Neil Toynay' in Castrovalva for example.
RTD used to flat-out lie about what was and wasn't happening and was quite happy about it! I think he denied that he'd ever bring Davros or the Master back but had already filmed episodes starring one of them!

[DamnCoffee]

LOVE this guy!

[Zorin Industries]

Over the weekend I was told from a fairly good source that word from the DOCTOR WHO set is that Matt Smith is hot amazing in the role and could well upstage Mr Tennent quite quickly.

Upstage is maybe the wrong word but Smith was indeed superb.... and has an edge over Tennent already.

[DamnCoffee]

I still prefer Tennant, but Smith is truly magnificent. I love him to pieces. Roll on Series 6!