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[JCRendle]

wearing an ill fitting hair piece?

Ha! Connery wore a toupee

[dchantry]

Hair Piece, Toupee, the same thing.
Connery wore a number of them, some succesfully, some not so.

[JCRendle]

Hair Piece, Toupee, the same thing.
Connery wore a number of them, some succesfully, some not so.

I wasn't correcting you, I was laughing along - more joining in the joke. Not that I minded his hair piece, wasn't noticeable most of the time.

[Armand Fancypants]

The big loud "morse code" one is the correct way to do it, and it's been that way for all but 3 films.

That'd be right. They'll put it back at the start of the next one and go back to the Arnold sillyness.

[Red Barchetta]

At least the poll is un-biased

[dchantry]

Hair Piece, Toupee, the same thing.
Connery wore a number of them, some succesfully, some not so.

I wasn't correcting you, I was laughing along - more joining in the joke. Not that I minded his hair piece, wasn't noticeable most of the time.

Sorry, my mistake, been a long week
You mean, wasn't noticeable on VHS and less so DVD. With Blu-Ray, they are having to re-do the credits to give it a proper mention.

[007-Leah-1992]

Aslong as they don't have that bullet that Die Another Day had I'll be happy it just seemed weird.

[JCRendle]

Aslong as they don't have that bullet that Die Another Day had I'll be happy it just seemed weird.

Unfortunately that wasn't the worst part of DAD...

[Vauxhall]

Some spoilers in the following interview - http://www.heyuguys....bara-broccolli/ - but it also features Barbara Broccoli discussing the gunbarrel placement.

[x007AceOfSpades]

"In this film there wasn’t really a place to put it at the beginning. I know that sounds kind of funny"

Right because a 25 second clip doesn't have a place in the beginning of the film...

[Armand Fancypants]

"In this film there wasn’t really a place to put it at the beginning. I know that sounds kind of funny"

Right because a 25 second clip doesn't have a place in the beginning of the film...

Or because it'd look silly to have a gunbarrel and then follow that with the opening shot of the film.

It's essentially Mendes/Deakins fault for giving Bond a striking entrance as the first shot. Perhaps they should have gone gunbarrel, establishing shot, then Bond introduction.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Some spoilers in the following interview - http://www.heyuguys....bara-broccolli/ - but it also features Barbara Broccoli discussing the gunbarrel placement.

Won't read it now to avoid spoilers since I have 7 days to go, but it's very interesting to read about BB's justification the misplaced gunbarrel.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

"In this film there wasn’t really a place to put it at the beginning. I know that sounds kind of funny"

Right because a 25 second clip doesn't have a place in the beginning of the film...

Or because it'd look silly to have a gunbarrel and then follow that with the opening shot of the film.

It's essentially Mendes/Deakins fault for giving Bond a striking entrance as the first shot. Perhaps they should have gone gunbarrel, establishing shot, then Bond introduction.

Can somebody please resurrect old Albert to give his daughter a big shout?

[JimmyBond]

I only read the part pertaining to the gunbarrel. No spoilers, but she did say they put it at the end so they could segue it into the fiftieth anniversary logo.

She also said it wouldn't necessarily be at the end for the next film, but that it wouldn't necessarily be at the beginning either.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

She also said it wouldn't necessarily be at the end for the next film, but that it wouldn't necessarily be at the beginning either.

So we'll get it at the middle maybe!
My friend Donovan from Chile went to the press premiere. He says the gunbarrel at the end was stupidly used but there is also some kind of "unofficial gunbarrel" at the beginning. Didn't want to know more.

[Dustin]

"In this film there wasn’t really a place to put it at the beginning. I know that sounds kind of funny"

Right because a 25 second clip doesn't have a place in the beginning of the film...

Or because it'd look silly to have a gunbarrel and then follow that with the opening shot of the film.

It's essentially Mendes/Deakins fault for giving Bond a striking entrance as the first shot. Perhaps they should have gone gunbarrel, establishing shot, then Bond introduction.

Can somebody please resurrect old Albert to give his daughter a big shout?

Well, unless anybody around here has a direct line to 'eternity' and can come up with actual proof I suggest we do not assume her father's supposed afterlife reaction to Ms Broccoli's creative decisions. There is a reason she and her brother were trusted with the handling of affairs. If we don't agree with the way they deal with Bond films, fine, take it up to Eon. But we ought to leave out the dead of the issue, it's really nothing but an insolent and indeed mildly irritating custom.

[Arbogast777]

Having the gunbarrel at the end makes the whole movie feel like a very long PTS

[Satorious]

Okay, just back from watching it. Firstly, the good news - this is a very good movie. I've tried not to give too much spoiler stuff away - but just in case surrounded by spoilers.

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I'm sticking by my original assessment about the gun-barrel's placement. Once again we get a very nice opening shot. But once again the gun-barrel is far too brief/quick and tacked on the end. There is no reason the gun-barrel couldn't segue into the opening shot brilliantly. It certainly doesn't build the same level of excitment for me. Oh, plus more of that horrible fast running 3D raspberry goo which I am not a huge fan of! Once again we end on the Bond theme. God forbid we might ever end on a more romantic note again! All in all, the gun-barrel is a mild step up from QOS' (the walk is less hurried and the final pose better natural), but to be perfectly frank - it's not really by that much. This aspect was a mild disapointment for me - especially on the 50th Anniversary. Still, did I mention the film was good? I'll be editing that sucker (and rescoring/slowing it down) to the beginning of the film the second I get the blu-ray.

Edited by Satorious, 26 October 2012 - 01:26 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Worked splendidly for me. Very pleased.

[curia]

I have been a Bond fan since I was born, 1964! Lived with 007 all my life. I'm said to say that I no longer can be a Bond fan! That excitement that you get when you see the Gunbarrel AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MOVIE, was what I lived for! Seeing it at the end, doesn't do a thing for me. You use all that anticipation, especially after four years of waiting! The producers have ruined all the 007 aspects, starting with Die Another Day. Its probably a great movie, but now its just a movie, its NOT A BOND MOVIE! I would also guess that neither James Bond Theme or 007 is not in this film. James Bond Theme probably at the end of it.

THIS SUCKS!!!

[Satorious]

Worked splendidly for me. Very pleased.

Each to their own. Only two things disappointed me about this film and this was one of them. It didn't work splendidly, it felt another "blink and you'll miss it moment" just like QOS.

[thecasinoroyale]

I have to agree with the gunbarrel in the final version of the film...

Spoiler

It's less of a big, bold Bond opener now, more of a quick sign off...and that horrible blood imitation is still there, a sense of rush production again but better than 'QOS' with a steady walk, slick looking gunbarrel and batter stance.

Yet I feel it's now a wasted iconic Bond tradition that's almost a finale gimmick and still needs improvement to either end the film with a nice band, or bring it back to the start.

[FOX MULDER]

sorry, posted spoilers without realising this isn't the spoiler thread. deleted.

Edited by FOX MULDER, 26 October 2012 - 05:00 PM.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I have been a Bond fan since I was born, 1964! Lived with 007 all my life. I'm said to say that I no longer can be a Bond fan! That excitement that you get when you see the Gunbarrel AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MOVIE, was what I lived for! Seeing it at the end, doesn't do a thing for me. You use all that anticipation, especially after four years of waiting! The producers have ruined all the 007 aspects, starting with Die Another Day. Its probably a great movie, but now its just a movie, its NOT A BOND MOVIE! I would also guess that neither James Bond Theme or 007 is not in this film. James Bond Theme probably at the end of it.

THIS SUCKS!!!

Not sure if I'd say "this sucks" nor that "I can't be a Bond fan anymore", but... yes, I agree with you in the 90% of things. I want the barrel back at the beginning, and, even when it's only 6 days to watch the movie in Argentina, I still think the barrel at the end is in "Skyfall", "Quantum of Solace" or any official James Bond movie.

[Hockey Mask]

I have gone from melancholy to frustration on this gunbarrel discussion. I would just as soon them end the whole sequence if it would end the whining.

[antovolk]

Back from seeing it, my thought on the barrel:

Spoiler

Was hoping to like the gunbarrel, but I didn't. Too quick, but better design this time (wonder if it was designed by Kleinman? Feels like it's not) Still feels a lot like QoS, especially with the fade-out dots and the iris expanding in frame exactly like QoS, as well as the blood. Also another thing that makes it too quick is the straight fade-out after the blood drops, no moving side to side.

About the placement, I see why Mendes decided to move it to the end with the opening shot of the film - I guess if it had always been planned to have it at the start Kleinman/whoever designed the barrel would've done a better job of it. And final note - why no use of the overly-used-in-promo-material Binder design? I guess the more 'realistic' look is supposed to represent the rebooted series, but then they should just fully ditch the Binder stuff from the promo material. Sense of false hope IMO.

[coco1997]

What was the gunbarrel music like?

[KM16]

I have gone from melancholy to frustration on this gunbarrel discussion. I would just as soon them end the whole sequence if it would end the whining.

LOL I highly doubt that because then you'd have not only the people who complain about it not being at the beginning, but then you'd have the people who don't care noticing and talking and possibly complaining about its absence, then reviewers on top of that would comment on it and then general movie-goers would notice its absence as well. For a franchise that's been around for 50 years, it's not like they could take one of the key iconic elements away and expect silence over it. lol

Anyways, most of these fan reactions are not sitting well with me. If it's still an ugly mess like with Quantum, they really should go back to the tried and true formula for the gunbarrel. Some changes work in a reboot, some changes don't. The gunbarrel at the start of the titles for Casino worked, the barrel at the end of Quantum wasn't necessary, especially if it STILL wasn't the full Bond we love and care about, so why'd they bother with the same gimmick twice? They clearly tossed the dice and came up 'meh' with these whole ending placement. It may work as a clever plot device but the whole "going out with a big bang" thing, especially with a movie like Quantum, felt awkward with such a quiet ending. If rumors are true about this film's ending then it seems a bit more appropriate, but even then, if it still looks like crap then it might be time to re-think their strategy about its placement but I'll keep an open mind until I see it with my own eyes.

Edited by KM16, 26 October 2012 - 08:54 PM.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

After seeing Skyfall in my opinion the placement of the gunbarrel is absolutely justified.

[Satorious]

What was the gunbarrel music like?

Spoiler

It's pretty much Bond, James Bond just slapped over the top. I really wasn't massively impressed TBH. The actual gun-barrel design was also a step out of the QOS books rather than the cool Binder which the posters were built on. As a moment, for me it really didn't zing and it really should have zinged! Don't get me wrong - it's still a superb film. But it is frustrating considering the amount of care and attention Mendes took (such as refilming so plaster falls from the ceiling in a particular way), that this particular aspect was bungled so much. Nevermind, it's only the most enduring iconic moment in the Bond franchise.