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[SecretAgentFan]

I hope they will do it right. Fleming´s Bond was much more human, I know, and featured a detailed background. But these things work in a novel in different way. In a movie, especially now, this could prove very tricky. I don´t want Bond to be like "Batman" and getting explained why he has become a crime fighter, avenging his parents and so on. And since "M" already is a mother figure I am worried that all his driving around with the old lady, getting her to his family manor AND having a kind of father figure also in the mix will result in too much "psycho-babble".

God, I miss the Cold War-Bond...

[univex]

I hope they will do it right. Fleming´s Bond was much more human, I know, and featured a detailed background. But these things work in a novel in different way. In a movie, especially now, this could prove very tricky. I don´t want Bond to be like "Batman" and getting explained why he has become a crime fighter, avenging his parents and so on. And since "M" already is a mother figure I am worried that all his driving around with the old lady, getting her to his family manor AND having a kind of father figure also in the mix will result in too much "psycho-babble".

God, I miss the Cold War-Bond...

I know what you mean. It´s Sam Mendes afterall. But just think that, if done right, this could be fabulous and in the lines of what the producers started with CR. I do miss the 60´s Bond and Connery´s grin.

We´ll see. Like I said, I have great faith on this one.

[Whalltt]

Fleming did it from the getgo - Giving Bond a background, albeith shady and not developed into the novel plots. We should be giggling like fan boys, seeing those names, in Glencoe. They only added the Skyfall name to the manor or lodge. The rest is Fleming and pure cinema Bond (DB5). One only hopes there´s also some references to Bond as a Commander and a scene at Blades. Plus, Bond´s flat, the PPK, Q, Oriental locations, Komodo dragons, a menacing villain, superb cast,... And this is the little we know. I bet there´s much more instored for us Bond fans.

Old are the days of robot-suit-genetically-engineered-diamond-crusted-villains and stupid one liners about "points" and mommas, cringe worthy CGIs, bmws,... Now that demystifies the character. IMO of course.

Bring on Skyfall. I have great faith on this one.

Well said!

[ggl]

At least, this is the real "personal" Bond since OHMSS... and that´s not a bad sign...

[univex]

At least, this is the real "personal" Bond since OHMSS... and that´s not a bad sign...

That´s true. It´s personal because it´s his life and family. Although I count Felix as family in LTK.

[Royal Dalton]

Well, it must be Bond's ancestral home, with all these family headstones, then.

Perhaps the estate was left in Kincade's care until Bond came of age, and the "Operation Skyfall" plan was cooked up there during that period, while Bond was away at school?

[marktmurphy]

I still think "Skyfall" refers to "Operation Skyfall", an off-the-books operation that made several careers (M, Kincade, Dowar and at least some of the eight dead agents, if not all of them). However, it involved doing something illegal, and so it was covered up. I think Silva is somehow connected to this, possibly as a byproduct of the operation. I floated an idea a long time ago about him being a local intelligence source in Angola that MI6 burned, letting details of a planned operation in Africa leak to flush out a Soviet spy somewhere in London. Although successful, it meant Silva was compromised and given to the Russians. Working on that train of thought, he would have fled to Macau, worked his way into the Chinese intelligence community, and started looking for a way to identify the people involved in "Skyfall".

It's all very Spooks.

That's annoying: the forager's photos are down. Must have been a bit too much traffic on their site.

[Royal Dalton]

It's all very Spooks.

Or "No Deals, Mr. Bond."

[MattofSteel]

Someone more familiar with UK ancestral estate practices can enlighten me here, but -

- does all this pretty much invalidate Vesper's "you didn't come from money" line, then?

(IE, if this estate is still standing and Bond is presumably of some influence to at least know of it and have access, would he not have to be independently wealthy?)

[univex]

Well, Bond didn´t respond per se to Versper´s gamble. He just stood there in silent approval - more of her skills than to her accuracy, I think.

[Shrublands]

I think the final “skewered” is confirmation that she’d been accurate in her summery of him.


I think it’s interesting that this estate looks quite run down, even ruined.

[univex]

Or that was what he wanted her to think. Maybe, for him, at that time, it wasn´t relevant what she knew about his intimacy and personal details. Who knows really? Maybe Andrew and Monique came from long gone money.

[MattofSteel]

I always took the train scene to be implying she was correct. But then again, Andrew and Monique died in a climbing accident - poor people don't typically go on climbing vacations in France, do they?

Two things jump out at me as interesting re: these photos.

1) It's his ancestral home, cementing the fact that every half-spoiler that's been leaked about the film in the last 6 months seems to be ending up true.

2) Mendes' exact words in the press conference re: a reporter's Scottish question was "You're not entirely accurate in describing it as Bond going back to his roots." Which seems, to me, was either a bold-faced lie or there's still some out-of-nowhere dimension we're not anticipating.

Because, for the record, I can't think of anything more definitively 'going back to one's roots' than visiting your parents' graves at the ancestral home.

[univex]

Mendes is a showman, it´s all smoke and mirrors with these theatre folks

[marktmurphy]

2) Mendes' exact words in the press conference re: a reporter's Scottish question was "You're not entirely accurate in describing it as Bond going back to his roots." Which seems, to me, was either a bold-faced lie or there's still some out-of-nowhere dimension we're not anticipating.

Because, for the record, I can't think of anything more definitively 'going back to one's roots' than visiting your parents' graves at the ancestral home.

Were they asking about the plot or the overall feel of the film? i.e. 'Bond going back to his roots' could just mean making a Connery-style movie.

[Pussfeller]

I think I've cracked it. James was adopted by the Bonds. He's really the illegitimate son of M.

[MattofSteel]

I think I've cracked it. James was adopted by the Bonds. He's really the illegitimate son of M.

God, no. Please, god no.

2) Mendes' exact words in the press conference re: a reporter's Scottish question was "You're not entirely accurate in describing it as Bond going back to his roots." Which seems, to me, was either a bold-faced lie or there's still some out-of-nowhere dimension we're not anticipating.

Because, for the record, I can't think of anything more definitively 'going back to one's roots' than visiting your parents' graves at the ancestral home.

Were they asking about the plot or the overall feel of the film? i.e. 'Bond going back to his roots' could just mean making a Connery-style movie.

The reporter asked (paraphrasing this one, sorry): "What can you tell us about Bond going back to his Scottish roots, and Duntrune Castle?" - when they thought it was still a location the production was going to use. The reporter, to me, was obviously implying a familial connection.

[Shrublands]

The reporter asked (paraphrasing this one, sorry): "What can you tell us about Bond going back to his Scottish roots, and Duntrune Castle?" - when they thought it was still a location the production was going to use. The reporter, to me, was obviously implying a familial connection.

Didn't he just say something like "You're not entirely accurate there" - he might have just been referring to the Duntrune Castle bit, thinking about it now...

[Royal Dalton]

I think it’s interesting that this estate looks quite run down, even ruined.

Yeah, there's even grass growing in the gutters.

And the inside looked rather dusty and cobwebby in that clapperboard shot from the other week.

[Shrublands]

I think it’s interesting that this estate looks quite run down, even ruined.

Yeah, there's even grass growing in the gutters.

And the inside looked rather dusty and cobwebby in that clapperboard shot from the other week.

Yes, and if I remember rightly, when they were looking for a real manor house, they used the word ‘dilapidated’ - also, the chapel is clearly intended to look quite abandoned and derelict.

Didn't one of the gate posts look broken?

[MattofSteel]

The reporter asked (paraphrasing this one, sorry): "What can you tell us about Bond going back to his Scottish roots, and Duntrune Castle?" - when they thought it was still a location the production was going to use. The reporter, to me, was obviously implying a familial connection.

Didn't he just say something like "You're not entirely accurate there" - he might have just been referring to the Duntrune Castle bit, thinking about it now...

He specifically mentioned Bond's roots being the inaccuracy.

[Melack]

I don't get how this would demystify Bond too much. He is a great character and one you should be able to tell all kinds of stories about, even when they include stuff from his past or more personal stuff. It's not like this is the first time it's happening, no matter if it's the books or films. Personally I'm incredibly intrigued about all this stuff. Graves, manor and old church. The settings look amazing!

Edited by Melack, 13 March 2012 - 05:37 PM.

[Royal Dalton]

I think it’s interesting that this estate looks quite run down, even ruined.

Yeah, there's even grass growing in the gutters.

And the inside looked rather dusty and cobwebby in that clapperboard shot from the other week.

Yes, and if I remember rightly, when they were looking for a real manor house, they used the word ‘dilapidated’ - also, the chapel is clearly intended to look quite abandoned and derelict.

Didn't one of the gate posts look broken?

I'm not sure. I only saw one gate post. The one with the stag plinth on it. But maybe there was only one?

[Shrublands]

I think it’s interesting that this estate looks quite run down, even ruined.

Yeah, there's even grass growing in the gutters.

And the inside looked rather dusty and cobwebby in that clapperboard shot from the other week.

Yes, and if I remember rightly, when they were looking for a real manor house, they used the word ‘dilapidated’ - also, the chapel is clearly intended to look quite abandoned and derelict.

Didn't one of the gate posts look broken?

I'm not sure. I only saw one gate post. The one with the stag plinth on it. But maybe there was only one?

This is just what I think, nothing certain.
It was still at the ply-wood infrastructure stage, now, with the benefit of hindsight, it looked like the one that would eventually have the stag had a plinth – in good shape, but the other looked to be built as if it were broken off.

Found it...



What do you think?

It could just be that it wasn’t finished, but do you see what I mean?

[Marketto007]

I miss one "BOND" in the graves...Samantha.

lol

xxx

[007jamesbond]

another update by the blog

http://theforagingph....wordpress.com/

[The Dove]

I'm surprised there are no Graves with the name "Gustav"...LOL!! Sorry, VERY bad pun..

[Marketto007]

I'm surprised there are no Graves with the name "Gustav"...LOL!! Sorry, VERY bad pun..

LOL, we're in the same sintony today The Dove.

xxx

[Royal Dalton]

What do you think?

It could just be that it wasn’t finished, but do you see what I mean?

Yeah, it looks like the one on the left is supposed to have crumbled. Good spot.

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if the stag might be a bit of an in-joke.

http://www.tiredoflo...gate-stags.html

[marktmurphy]

Funny how you get used to a title: I'm rather liking 'Skyfall' now with all this Skyfall Estate stuff.