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[sharpshooter]

Every day is long for me at this point. 13 and counting.

Yeah. I can't wait to discuss the movie with the people here once I have seen it. It's going to be fun. I've got to admit, knowing other people have seen it is excruciating. 27 days to go...

Edited by sharpshooter, 26 October 2012 - 12:09 AM.

[MattofSteel]

Is there anyone who's seen the film that can answer the spoiler tag questions I posed to SecretAgentFan above? (Before I jet off for 13 days?)

[junkanoo]

And which one would that be?

There's the M theme in Voluntary Retirement and Mother, the urban theme in Shanghai Drive and Adrenaline, the exotic motif in Komodo Dragon and Enjoying Death, Silva's ostinato in Someone Usually Dies and Deep Water, a signature bitonal chord progression (try and sustain and Em chord in your left hand, and play another Em chord on your right, followed by an F# chord) heard in Someone Usually Dies, Kill Them First, Breadcrumbs, and The Moors, Severine's theme heard in Severine; Modigliani and Komodo Dragon, plus the Adele theme.

Whether or not you find them memorable or hummable enough is up to you, but I'm fine with 'em.

I don't think the hummability of Newman's "themes" is at debate when compared to earlier films. It's no comparison. I don't think anyone in their right mind would put them on equal grounds. I don't think anyone watching this film would care about or remember for more than one day a freaking "Silva ostinato".

Thomas Newman singlehandedly (even with playing a bitonal motif with his other hand) delivered the most anonymous Bond score since License To Kill - which at least had some oomph - and in a series that is so closely tied to its musical identity, not to come up with a single theme that is able to stand on its own beside the Bond theme, in the 50th anniversary movie, is simply not acceptable.

Implying that some muddy "M theme" or that Requiem For a Dream motif fits that bill cannot be taken serious.

A piece like "Deep Water" could be placed in any movie, from Bourne over Thor to Planet Of The Apes.

You're a bit of a broken radio, aren't you mate?

That's simply unacceptable.

With all your comments on David Arnold (in this thread alone) ... isn't that a bit like calling a broken record black? Or did I mix metaphors?

Gkgyver's point is worth more discussion. I'm just too tired to do it at the moment.

[The Shark]

Gkgyver's point is worth more discussion. I'm just too tired to do it at the moment.

I'm too tired to ever to do it.

[QuantumOfRoyale]

Gkgyver's point is worth more discussion. I'm just too tired to do it at the moment.

I'm too tired to ever to do it.

This.

[SecretAgentFan]

Your inbox appears to be full, SAF. Incidentally, I'll relay my very mildly spoiler-laden questions here, since they're all musical:

Spoiler

-Is it true the *original* Monty Norman/John Barry Bond theme recording is used, specifically when the DB5 is revealed? Or is that 'Breadcrumbs' from the OST?

-Is Arnold's "The Name's Bond...James Bond" cue played in its entirety, or just part of it? And is it the same recording from CR, or a re-orchestrated version (like Breadcrumbs' opening).

-Does the Bond theme (any version) get more than one 'distinct' play, at least, more times than is evidenced by Newman's OST?

Matt, my answers are this:

- No (first part of your first question) and yes (second part).
- I think it´s only a part of it. And I would have to listen to it again to be sure exactly.
- Several times.

And which one would that be?

There's the M theme in Voluntary Retirement and Mother, the urban theme in Shanghai Drive and Adrenaline, the exotic motif in Komodo Dragon and Enjoying Death, Silva's ostinato in Someone Usually Dies and Deep Water, a signature bitonal chord progression (try and sustain and Em chord in your left hand, and play another Em chord on your right, followed by an F# chord) heard in Someone Usually Dies, Kill Them First, Breadcrumbs, and The Moors, Severine's theme heard in Severine; Modigliani and Komodo Dragon, plus the Adele theme.

Whether or not you find them memorable or hummable enough is up to you, but I'm fine with 'em.

I don't think the hummability of Newman's "themes" is at debate when compared to earlier films. It's no comparison. I don't think anyone in their right mind would put them on equal grounds. I don't think anyone watching this film would care about or remember for more than one day a freaking "Silva ostinato".

Thomas Newman singlehandedly (even with playing a bitonal motif with his other hand) delivered the most anonymous Bond score since License To Kill - which at least had some oomph - and in a series that is so closely tied to its musical identity, not to come up with a single theme that is able to stand on its own beside the Bond theme, in the 50th anniversary movie, is simply not acceptable.

Implying that some muddy "M theme" or that Requiem For a Dream motif fits that bill cannot be taken serious.

A piece like "Deep Water" could be placed in any movie, from Bourne over Thor to Planet Of The Apes.

You're a bit of a broken radio, aren't you mate?

That's simply unacceptable.

With all your comments on David Arnold (in this thread alone) ... isn't that a bit like calling a broken record black? Or did I mix metaphors?

Gkgyver's point is worth more discussion. I'm just too tired to do it at the moment.

Allow me.

First, Gkgyver, did you see the film? If not you have a very limited view on Newman´s work. I have rarely seen a film to which a score works so perfectly.

Second, if you have seen the film, I still think your view is extreme traditionalism. Yes, Newman´s score does not feature the sweeping Barry-esque themes. But it cannot. SKYFALL is not that kind of Bond film. However, to say that Newman´s themes cannot stand on their own is just your personal opinion. And I disagree with it to the utmost. After having seen SKYFALL those melodies stayed in my head and revealed themselves as the gems that they are.

Of course, that also is highly subjective.

If you cannot enjoy the score, then I am disappointed for you. I would love for everyone to get that kind of enjoyment out of it that I am feeling.

[QOS4EVER]

Your inbox appears to be full, SAF. Incidentally, I'll relay my very mildly spoiler-laden questions here, since they're all musical:

Spoiler

-Is it true the *original* Monty Norman/John Barry Bond theme recording is used, specifically when the DB5 is revealed? Or is that 'Breadcrumbs' from the OST?

-Is Arnold's "The Name's Bond...James Bond" cue played in its entirety, or just part of it? And is it the same recording from CR, or a re-orchestrated version (like Breadcrumbs' opening).

-Does the Bond theme (any version) get more than one 'distinct' play, at least, more times than is evidenced by Newman's OST?

Matt, my answers are this:

- No (first part of your first question) and yes (second part).
- I think it´s only a part of it. And I would have to listen to it again to be sure exactly.
- Several times.

And which one would that be?

There's the M theme in Voluntary Retirement and Mother, the urban theme in Shanghai Drive and Adrenaline, the exotic motif in Komodo Dragon and Enjoying Death, Silva's ostinato in Someone Usually Dies and Deep Water, a signature bitonal chord progression (try and sustain and Em chord in your left hand, and play another Em chord on your right, followed by an F# chord) heard in Someone Usually Dies, Kill Them First, Breadcrumbs, and The Moors, Severine's theme heard in Severine; Modigliani and Komodo Dragon, plus the Adele theme.

Whether or not you find them memorable or hummable enough is up to you, but I'm fine with 'em.

I don't think the hummability of Newman's "themes" is at debate when compared to earlier films. It's no comparison. I don't think anyone in their right mind would put them on equal grounds. I don't think anyone watching this film would care about or remember for more than one day a freaking "Silva ostinato".

Thomas Newman singlehandedly (even with playing a bitonal motif with his other hand) delivered the most anonymous Bond score since License To Kill - which at least had some oomph - and in a series that is so closely tied to its musical identity, not to come up with a single theme that is able to stand on its own beside the Bond theme, in the 50th anniversary movie, is simply not acceptable.

Implying that some muddy "M theme" or that Requiem For a Dream motif fits that bill cannot be taken serious.

A piece like "Deep Water" could be placed in any movie, from Bourne over Thor to Planet Of The Apes.

You're a bit of a broken radio, aren't you mate?

That's simply unacceptable.

With all your comments on David Arnold (in this thread alone) ... isn't that a bit like calling a broken record black? Or did I mix metaphors?

Gkgyver's point is worth more discussion. I'm just too tired to do it at the moment.

Allow me.

First, Gkgyver, did you see the film? If not you have a very limited view on Newman´s work. I have rarely seen a film to which a score works so perfectly.

Second, if you have seen the film, I still think your view is extreme traditionalism. Yes, Newman´s score does not feature the sweeping Barry-esque themes. But it cannot. SKYFALL is not that kind of Bond film. However, to say that Newman´s themes cannot stand on their own is just your personal opinion. And I disagree with it to the utmost. After having seen SKYFALL those melodies stayed in my head and revealed themselves as the gems that they are.

Of course, that also is highly subjective.

If you cannot enjoy the score, then I am disappointed for you. I would love for everyone to get that kind of enjoyment out of it that I am feeling.

I hope you are right ! I will be leaving in another 2 hours.

[mikafu]

The back cover:

http://www.amazon.co...51162154&sr=8-5

And just in case it wasn't clear, "this album does not contain a recording by the artist Adele."

Thanks. So finally "Old Dog, New Days" is iTunes exclusive.

Is their any information, that besides the iTunes-Track, the CD is the complete Soundtrack ? And the Tracks are in Film-Order ?

[Vauxhall]

And the Tracks are in Film-Order ?

They're not, no.

[QuantumOfRoyale]

And the Tracks are in Film-Order ?

They're not, no.

Ugh...always a pet peeve of mine.

Hope someone can put them in some sort of chronological order sooner rather than later...

[norwegianbond]

This is a tentatively re-sequencing of the soundtrack, I've seen the film a couple times during the week but I'm still uncertain as to a few of them(marked wit a *, there could of course be more errors:D) ).

What's strange is how actually lots of the score is in the right order, and still some tracks are way of...

Sequence OST Track Title
1 1 Grand Bazaar, Istanbul
2 14 The Bloody Shot
3 1 Skyfall
4 2 Voluntary Retirement
5 15 Enjoying Death
6 3 New Digs
7 5 Brave New World*
8 30 Adrenaline*
9 10 Day Wasted*
10 6 Shanghai Drive
11 7 Jellyfish
12 8 Silhouette
13 9 Modigliani*
14 17 Close Shave
15 13 Komodo Dragon
16 12 Someone Usually Dies
17 4 Severine
18 16 The Chimera
19 11 Quartermaster
20 18 Health & Safety
21 19 Granborough Road
22 20 Tennyson
23 21 Enquiry
24 22 Breadcrumbs
25 23 Skyfall
26 24 Kill Them First
27 25 Welcome to Scotland
28 26 She's Mine
29 27 The Moors
30 28 Deep Water
31 29 Mother
32 31 Old Dog, New Tricks*



Kinda bad formatting here, but could be worse...

Edited by norwegianbond, 26 October 2012 - 01:45 PM.

[Harmsway]

Thanks for that.

[Vauxhall]

Yes, that order looks about right to me.

On first showing, my stand-out track is possibly "Tennyson". Works fantastically with the scenes in question.

[mikafu]

Just listining to the CD. Track 14 "The Bloody Shot" from 0:52-1:02 reminds me of a Scorepiece from NSNA.

Arnold´s cue is only there for a very specific reason in a very short scene - and thematically it makes total sense. Exactly like the position of the gun barrel. EON knows precisely what they are doing and one can only applaud them for their idea.

If so, shouldn't it be mentioned in the Booklet like those:

1. Score contains interpolations of the "James Bond Theme" written by Monty Norman
2. Track 13 (Skyfall) contains an instrumental interpolation of "Skyfall" written by Adele and Paul Epworth

Edited by mikafu, 26 October 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[MattofSteel]

Your inbox appears to be full, SAF. Incidentally, I'll relay my very mildly spoiler-laden questions here, since they're all musical:

Spoiler

-Is it true the *original* Monty Norman/John Barry Bond theme recording is used, specifically when the DB5 is revealed? Or is that 'Breadcrumbs' from the OST?

-Is Arnold's "The Name's Bond...James Bond" cue played in its entirety, or just part of it? And is it the same recording from CR, or a re-orchestrated version (like Breadcrumbs' opening).

-Does the Bond theme (any version) get more than one 'distinct' play, at least, more times than is evidenced by Newman's OST?

Matt, my answers are this:

- No (first part of your first question) and yes (second part).
- I think it´s only a part of it. And I would have to listen to it again to be sure exactly.
- Several times.

Cheers, SAF. Back to radio silence.

[TheHouseholdCat]

Allow me.

First, Gkgyver, did you see the film? If not you have a very limited view on Newman´s work. I have rarely seen a film to which a score works so perfectly.

Second, if you have seen the film, I still think your view is extreme traditionalism. Yes, Newman´s score does not feature the sweeping Barry-esque themes. But it cannot. SKYFALL is not that kind of Bond film. However, to say that Newman´s themes cannot stand on their own is just your personal opinion. And I disagree with it to the utmost. After having seen SKYFALL those melodies stayed in my head and revealed themselves as the gems that they are.

Of course, that also is highly subjective.

If you cannot enjoy the score, then I am disappointed for you. I would love for everyone to get that kind of enjoyment out of it that I am feeling.

I don't think he has. The film's only out on November 1 in Germany.

It's good to hear you say the score fits the film. I've read so many negative reactions I even started to believe that his score is not good.

It would have surprised me because, after all, it is a Sam Mendes film and he has the say what will end up in the film. And don't forget the producers... But everyone seems to be happy about it.

Anyway, Newman's a really talented guy, so I hope I'll like the score as much as SecretAgentFan.

[Satorious]

I thought Newman's score worked really well in the film. His action cues are exhausting, without needing to throw the entire kitchen-sink in and make things louder and louder. I can't wait to get the score on Monday.

[PeteNeon]

I think the score was the weakest part of the film. It was still good, but it didn't have much "flair". I enjoyed it for the most part.

Am I right in thinking The Name's Bond was only used

Spoiler

when the DB5 was unveiled, and only the intro was used? Instead of the intro included in the Breadcrumbs track?

[Vauxhall]

Spoiler

I thought "Breadcrumbs" was used for the DB5 scene.

Was Arnold's theme used when Silva was captured?

[PeteNeon]

Spoiler

I thought "Breadcrumbs" was used for the DB5 scene.

Was Arnold's theme used when Silva was captured?

Spoiler

The Silva capture scene sounded different to me.

The DB5 scene sounded like it used the opening of The Name's Bond but then changed to Breadcrumbs when the theme starts proper.

Edited by PeteNeon, 27 October 2012 - 12:44 AM.

[Victor Zokas]

This is a tentatively re-sequencing of the soundtrack, I've seen the film a couple times during the week but I'm still uncertain as to a few of them(marked wit a *, there could of course be more errors:D) ).

What's strange is how actually lots of the score is in the right order, and still some tracks are way of...

Sequence OST Track Title
1 1 Grand Bazaar, Istanbul
2 14 The Bloody Shot
3 1 Skyfall
4 2 Voluntary Retirement
5 15 Enjoying Death
6 3 New Digs
7 5 Brave New World*
8 30 Adrenaline*
9 10 Day Wasted*
10 6 Shanghai Drive
11 7 Jellyfish
12 8 Silhouette
13 9 Modigliani*
14 17 Close Shave
15 13 Komodo Dragon
16 12 Someone Usually Dies
17 4 Severine
18 16 The Chimera
19 11 Quartermaster
20 18 Health & Safety
21 19 Granborough Road
22 20 Tennyson
23 21 Enquiry
24 22 Breadcrumbs
25 23 Skyfall
26 24 Kill Them First
27 25 Welcome to Scotland
28 26 She's Mine
29 27 The Moors
30 28 Deep Water
31 29 Mother
32 31 Old Dog, New Tricks*



Kinda bad formatting here, but could be worse...

Many thanks for this list. So, does that mean that Old Dog New Tricks isn't in the film at all? I read on another forum someone thought there were 4 cues in the film that are not on the CD - any ideas? I didn't notice them - kinda engrossed in the film.

Edited by Victor Zokas, 27 October 2012 - 09:13 AM.

[PeteNeon]

For anyone who has seen Skyfall can you please answer me this. Do we get the full bond theme blaring anywhere in the film? What about breadcrumbs?

There are two brief uses of it, in one scene midway through and at the end, but it never outstays its welcome, sadly. Breadcrumbs is in there as well, and there's a lot of subtle quotes of the theme throughout the film.

[Platapus94]

Really wish David Arnold had scored Skyfall, the soundtrack wasn't memorable as it should be

[Tony_OO_Black]

Great soundtrack, IMO. Not necessarily better than Arnold, but different - felt a little more stylish and elegant I thought, which matched the tone of the movie.

Hope if Sam Mendes comes back, Newman does another.

[SecretAgentFan]

Absolutely!

Right now I´m listening to those wonderful tracks "Tennyson" followed up by "Enquiry"... just magnificent!

[PeteNeon]

Absolutely!

Right now I´m listening to those wonderful tracks "Tennyson" followed up by "Enquiry"... just magnificent!

Spoiler

Is the DB5 bit what you were referring to as the part where The Name's Bond is played? To me, it sounded like they used the intro from The Name's Bond, and then the rest of Newman's Breadcrumbs. I swear the helis arriving scene had a new version by Newman.

[SecretAgentFan]

Have to see the film again to answer that correctly. Right now, I feel that "Breadcrumbs" is exactly the cue in that scene.

By the way, everybody who is complaining that there is not enough of the Bond theme in Arnold´s score must only have heard the samples from the amazon-site. The full tracks show a completely different picture: the theme is all over this score! More than in any Arnold score!

[DamnCoffee]

Silva's capture was definitely Newman. It sounded brilliant.

[PeteNeon]

Silva's capture was definitely Newman. It sounded brilliant.

I don't think it's on the soundtrack is it... shame.

[Vauxhall]

Probably need to be a bit careful with the spoilers in this thread, folks.

Spoiler

Was Arnold's theme just used for the gunbarrel?