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[PeteNeon]

Probably need to be a bit careful with the spoilers in this thread, folks.

Spoiler

Was Arnold's theme just used for the gunbarrel?

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I think, but it sounded more like the QOS version to me.

[Harry Fawkes]

A few pages back I gave Thomas Newman's score 6 out of 10 as a Bond score and 10 out of 10 as a score for an action movie (????). I stand corrected. As a Bond score I give it 10 out of 10 and consider it one of the best, if not THE best Bond scores I've heard so far.

I was reading this bloody thread you see, before I'd seen the film and decided to crach the bloody thing open and listen to it without having seen the film. I was also too quick to judge which was absolutely wrong.

One critic said Thomas Newman score fits like a glove in the Bond film. Whoever is reading this: believe me, that is an understatement.

Five stars and no less.

Hope he gets to score another one.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Got it. A gift from the radio where I was interviewed today in a 3hr Bond special.

[PeteNeon]

Nice, mine's on its way.

SecretAgentFan, "more than in any Arnold score" is a very bold statement, I hope that's the case! There were some great "chilled out" variations in the film, but I've listened to the tracks which I thought would be those and I have only heard a couple of extremely subtle uses of it.

The tracks that set the scene and bookend them are great and very much what I was expecting and hoping for, but I'm not a fan of the full on action stuff. Most of it is overly bombastic with very few "rip-roaring" melodies.

Edited by PeteNeon, 27 October 2012 - 09:46 PM.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Just in case, try to avoid spoilers here, or use the tags.

[level007]

Hello,

I saw the movie on Friday. I don't know yet what to think of the movie. I'll go watch it again tonight.
As for the score I was pretty disappointed by it and I'll even say that it's doesn't help the movie.
The main reason for this is that the main theme is almost never used by Newman with is a real shame for two reason:
- we can say that the theme by Adele was ready months ago because she was pregnant recently and gave birth days ago. So how is it possible that Newman didn't use it more in the score ?
- the theme is really good (in my opinion) which increase the missing opportunity.

I can understand people not liking Arnold's score but at least, even when he didn't write the theme, he used it, or used the one he wrote to be fully developed during all the score of the film. That's what bond music is about, and specialy on the 50th birthday they are so much talking about....

Let's see if my judgement changes tonight....

[SecretAgentFan]

So, you´re disappointed because Newman does not use Adele´s song more often?

[Tony_OO_Black]

I don't really recall David Arnold using much of 'Another Way to Die' in his QOS score.

Newman got this spot on IMO; it's a terrific score.

[The Shark]

The main reason for this is that the main theme is almost never used by Newman with is a real shame for two reason:

It's heard prominently in "Komodo Dragon" for when Bond enters the Macau casino, and again in an abbreviated version for the end credits.

[level007]

Yes, i'm disappointed that Adele theme is not use more.
Arnold infused QOS with his "no good about goodbye" theme.
There are some good tracks but the action tracks were a bit too bland for my liking.
Newman should have been able to insert Adele theme in Rhodes tracks. This is for me the essence of bond music and why it is so different from the other action films.
I don't say it's bad but it could have been better ;-)

Sorry: "in theses tracks"

[The Shark]

Newman should have been able to insert Adele theme in Rhodes tracks.

Fender Rhodes?

[delfloria]

Yes, i'm disappointed that Adele theme is not use more.
Arnold infused QOS with his "no good about goodbye" theme.
There are some good tracks but the action tracks were a bit too bland for my liking.
Newman should have been able to insert Adele theme in Rhodes tracks. This is for me the essence of bond music and why it is so different from the other action films.
I don't say it's bad but it could have been better ;-)

Sorry: "in theses tracks"

But using that logic; QOS should have had "Another Way to Die" all through it and not "No Good".

[Satorious]

It is referenced once fairly prominently, which is more than Arnold did for either QOS or DAD (okay, so if I was the composer and those were the songs - I probably wouldn't have used them either, well maybe the catchy guitar riff which opens AWTD). "No good" technically has no connection with QOS (unlike say TND/Surrender) - as the song isn't used anywhere in the film, so it's not going to hold up as the most water-tight argument with many (myself included).

[Glockenspiel]

Got it. A gift from the radio where I was interviewed today in a 3hr Bond special.

The track "Old Dog, New Tricks" is on Itunes, but not on the CD, apparently...

[littlenellie]

It is referenced once fairly prominently, which is more than Arnold did for either QOS or DAD (okay, so if I was the composer and those were the songs - I probably wouldn't have used them either, well maybe the catchy guitar riff which opens AWTD). "No good" technically has no connection with QOS (unlike say TND/Surrender) - as the song isn't used anywhere in the film, so it's not going to hold up as the most water-tight argument with many (myself included).

Arnold featured AWTD more in QOS than Newman did with Adele in SF.DAD didn't have a tune to incorporate and also Arnold said the track came very late and he had written much of the score before he'd heard it.which would explain that.regarding QoS,the string part that got used for No Good was just a theme in the film....it wasn't related to a song because the song wasn't written then...he just used the theme when he wrote the song much later

[gkgyver]

Just listining to the CD. Track 14 "The Bloody Shot" from 0:52-1:02 reminds me of a Scorepiece from NSNA.

Arnold´s cue is only there for a very specific reason in a very short scene - and thematically it makes total sense. Exactly like the position of the gun barrel. EON knows precisely what they are doing and one can only applaud them for their idea.

If so, shouldn't it be mentioned in the Booklet like those:

1. Score contains interpolations of the "James Bond Theme" written by Monty Norman
2. Track 13 (Skyfall) contains an instrumental interpolation of "Skyfall" written by Adele and Paul Epworth

No !

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Got it. A gift from the radio where I was interviewed today in a 3hr Bond special.

The track "Old Dog, New Tricks" is on Itunes, but not on the CD, apparently...

Yep, Itunes exclusive. Apparently there's not enough space on a CD.

[marktmurphy]

The score works terrifically well in the film. I thought it sounded fantastic, exciting and moody in the right places. A very classy score.

But using that logic; QOS should have had "Another Way to Die" all through it and not "No Good".

It did have AWTD all the way through it!

[DamnCoffee]

Saw the film for a third time tonight. Still cannot get over that Bond theme at Hashima. Gave me absoloute shivers, yet again.

[The Dove]

Got my copy of the soundtrack pre-ordered from Amazon...and it also looks like I'd have to buy the whole album again on iTunes if I'd want to get the "Old Dogs, New Tricks" track as it's "Album Only" which sucks...oh and coincidentally, I'm right now watching "The Lost Boys", one of my all time favorite Halloween flicks....music by.....Thomas Newman..

[SecretAgentFan]

On German iTunes you can get the extra track without having to pay for the whole soundtrack. Can´t imagine them charging differently in other countries. Although...

[The Dove]

Hmm...that's good to know, SecretAgentFan...I can still hope that that might be the case for the U.S. iTunes once the soundtrack is available to download..Nov.6..just a week away! Still though, I was going to buy it as a CD anyways to add to my collection..

[quantumofsolace]

'Skyfall' soundtrack album review

Edited by quantumofsolace, 30 October 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[The Shark]

Interesting how this score is really dividing listeners.

[QuantumOfRoyale]

Interesting how this score is really dividing listeners.

Seems to me like this one will fall into the Kamen's Licence to Kill / Serra's Goldeneye category of Bond scores...

[TheHouseholdCat]

'Skyfall' soundtrack album review

Ah, finally a substantial review. Which is ironic, because it says the score is pretty blah. I could get an actual picture of the music in here. I haven't listened to the score yet, but that's the kind of review I'd expect.

I hate it when reviews are too vague.

Actually, having read this now, I might actually really like that score.

[Armand Fancypants]

Interesting how this score is really dividing listeners.

I don't know if you're into this sort of thing, but I'm interested in where you would place it in the pantheon of non-Barry scores, Shark.

[The Shark]

Interesting how this score is really dividing listeners.

I don't know if you're into this sort of thing, but I'm interested in where you would place it in the pantheon of non-Barry scores, Shark.

Near the top, with Eric Serra's GOLDENEYE, George Martin's LIVE AND LET DIE, Bill Conti's FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, Michael Kamen's LICENSE TO KILL, and David Arnold's QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

[TheSilhouette]

I have to say, this score is quite a grower. I really like the use of guitar in New Digs, Day Wasted, Komodo Dragon, and the end of Granborough Road.

[DamnCoffee]

I love the end of Granbourgh Road. Although, I'm beyond positive that the last few seconds is from the casino sequence.