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[The Shark]

I like the smaller sound. Reminds me of Barry's 63-71 scores opposed to Arnold's lame INDEPENDENCE DAY 400 piece orchestra crap.

[junkanoo]

Guys, I've read the end credits in an official document and Arnold's "The Name is Bond, James Bond" from "Casino Royale" is there. Is it used in the film?

It's directly quoted in "Breadcrumbs."

How so?

Arnold's cue is referenced at the beginning.

How so?

It's basically the same cue, minus some drastic tempo changes and re-orchestration.

Agreed. Which means nothing is being "directly quoted." Unless someone wants to make that case.

And yes, "Breadcrumbs" beats the living daylights out of "The Name's Bond... James Bond." A lot more grit and swagger to it, IMO.

Fine for you to say ... after all this is the Internet ... just realize that it is the outlier opinion as most will see it the opposite way.

Now ... if someone in the Tri-State area of NYC believes as Shark does ... well I'm a betting man who would love to place a large wager to back up my opinion. We could easily and quickly hit up 10 random people for their opinion .... leaving you with ... breadcrumbs.

[The Shark]

Why not just get a mod to make a poll? What do you prefer "The Name is Bond... James Bond" or "Breadcrumbs"?

[Dustin]

Why not just get a mod to make a poll? What do you prefer "The Name is Bond... James Bond" or "Breadcrumbs"?

Let's wait with polls until this is actually out officially.

[junkanoo]

Why not just get a mod to make a poll? What do you prefer "The Name is Bond... James Bond" or "Breadcrumbs"?

So the Arnold haters can trudge over and cast their vote? So, the contrarians (of which there are an unsettling number of on Internet forums) can voice their 'opinion?' Feel free to come up with any poll you wish - but I prefer to ask people with no axe to grind - not some anonymous guy on a forum who thinks Goldfinger is the worst Bond movie ever. Instead, I want to bet someone some serious cash if they feel strongly about their opinion and to poll some unbiased people. And my personal belief is that when real money is on the line ... odd opinions go 'bye-bye' quite quickly.

Edited by junkanoo, 22 October 2012 - 02:45 PM.

[Orion]

Having had a quick listen I'm so far liking it, stylistcly its like the love child of Newman's score for The Adjustment Bureau and Arnold's score to the other twwo Daniel Craig films. Looking forward to sitting and having a proper listen.

[SecretAgentFan]

Why not just get a mod to make a poll? What do you prefer "The Name is Bond... James Bond" or "Breadcrumbs"?

So the Arnold haters can trudge over and cast their vote? So, the contrarians (of which there are an unsettling number of on Internet forums) can voice their 'opinion?' Feel free to come up with any poll you wish - but I prefer to ask people with no axe to grind - not some anonymous guy on a forum who thinks Goldfinger is the worst Bond movie ever. Instead, I want to bet someone some serious cash if they feel strongly about their opinion and to poll some unbiased people. And my personal belief is that when real money is on the line ... odd opinions go 'bye-bye' quite quickly.

Don´t think that we will involve money in a future poll.

[littlenellie]

I like the smaller sound. Reminds me of Barry's 63-71 scores opposed to Arnold's lame INDEPENDENCE DAY 400 piece orchestra crap.

Any idea how many players in Newmans orchestra for Skyfall Vs how many in Arnold's ??
And "independence day"...."lame crap" ......??? Really???

[The Shark]

Any idea how many players in Newmans orchestra for Skyfall Vs how many in Arnold's ??

No idea, though 400 was hyperbole on my part. It was probably a 90-100 piece orchestra.

And "independence day"...."lame crap" ......??? Really???

I hate that score. It's liked getting whacked over the head my Nicholas Dodd's ego.

[Harry Fawkes]

10 out of 10 for me. I think it is one of the best soundtracks I've heard so far. But, and there's a very big but, David Arnold WAS and so far IS the best Bond composer since Barry. True, there's a lot more brass and drums and smack-in-the-face stuff in Newman's piece but by God Arnold knew what a true Bond fan loved and it showed in his music. So, although I give the soundtrack 10 out of 10 for being a fantastic soundtrack, where James Bond and having the James Bond feel is concerned, I'm afraid I'll give it 6 out of 10 though.

Once again, so I'm not misunderstood, fantastic soundtrack, wonderful pieces, captivating and at times blastingly fabulous - But for a soundtrack that is supposed to be celebrating 50 years of Bond, I was rather disappointed. And yes, because of that, I miss David Arnold.

Oh, yeah, PS - I bought the soundtrack!!!

Harry Fawkes

[littlenellie]

Any idea how many players in Newmans orchestra for Skyfall Vs how many in Arnold's ??

No idea, though 400 was hyperbole on my part. It was probably a 90-100 piece orchestra.

And "independence day"...."lame crap" ......??? Really???

I hate that score. It's liked getting whacked over the head my Nicholas Dodd's ego.

There's probably a way of finding out orchestra sizes....Arnold responds on twitter to stuff I've read here,I don't use it, didn't know about Newman.
I liked independence day,almost as over the top as the film
I liked Barry's orchestra sound too in the earlier bonds...but different rooms,players,microphones and tape would all make a big difference to the sound and also they wouldn't have to compete with so much sound effects and sub frequencies soaking up all the sound like they do now.in most action films it seems everything has to be loud all the time.i preferred it when they let music take over back then.now it always seems a battle.wonder how Mendes will have mixed Skyfall in that regard.

[Harmsway]

The smaller size of the orchestra wouldn't be a problem if the mixing was better.

[univex]

Guys, I've read the end credits in an official document and Arnold's "The Name is Bond, James Bond" from "Casino Royale" is there. Is it used in the film?

It's directly quoted in "Breadcrumbs."

How so?

Arnold's cue is referenced at the beginning.

How so?

It's basically the same cue, minus some drastic tempo changes and re-orchestration.

And yes, "Breadcrumbs" beats the living daylights out of "The Name's Bond... James Bond." A lot more grit and swagger to it, IMO. In fact it reminds me more of "Bond on Bongos" from FRWL.

Couldn´t agree more. It´s true, the "Mr. White Shot" portion of the track is still there. It´s basically a different rendering of the same cue. The tempo is definitely better on Breadcrums though and I can´t help but wait for the GF arrangement to kick in. The bongos really are a nice addition. I too load the ta da!!! David Arnold post 97 sound, doesn´t work as it is manipulative of what´s on scree. The Vesper theme and such are great cues and I do love them, but the classic Bond arrangements and the action cues are wayyyyy to manipulative. IMO, of course.

[QOS4EVER]

I gave the whole score a listen,
There were a few tracks that were impressive but as a whole was not impressed.Mainly the action score's just doesen't pack that sort of punch.
Given the kind of luke warm reception the score has received so far I hope they shift to Arnold for Bond 24.

[Arbogast777]

After having listened to it all I can say is... meh...

With all the want for expanded Bond soundtracks, this one might actually make for a better listening experience if it was cut down a bit, along with some major resequencing to put them in film order. I have a feeling when I purchase from iTunes I will be doing just that, along with adding the Adele song (which I'm assuming will be the 3rd track after Grand Bazar and The Bloody Shot). That might make it a little more serviceable...

[EyesOnly]

The score is as different as Eric Serra's from GoldenEye. I like it, it's dark, strange and rustic. It's a very mature sounding score.

[The Shark]

The score is as different as Eric Serra's from GoldenEye. I like it, it's dark, strange and rustic. It's a very mature sounding score.

Rustic is a good word to describe it.

[QOS4EVER]

The score is as different as Eric Serra's from GoldenEye. I like it, it's dark, strange and rustic. It's a very mature sounding score.

Rustic is a good word to describe it.

One thing I truly admire about you Shark is that when a few started hating on Arnold everyone jumped on the bandwagon and when finally Newman's score was not all what was expected you still support it and not affraid to show it unlike many who have crept back in their little holes

[Armand Fancypants]

Agree with the sentiment that the only problem with "Breadcrumbs" is that you want the GF arrangement to kick in. Although that would be more an Arnold thing to do.

What I've heard of the score, I like. Certainly much better than Arnold to my (tin) ear. More of a pulse to it, more robust in the classic sense rather than what seemed like constant homages from Arnold that just... weren't... interesting.

That being said, I'll reserve judgement until I've seen the film. Newman got the gig because he's Mendes' composer, so I think it's only fair to assess it in context first.

[marktmurphy]

Why not just get a mod to make a poll? What do you prefer "The Name is Bond... James Bond" or "Breadcrumbs"?

They're so similar as to be pointless to choose between them, to be honest.
I might go for the Quantum of Solace version because it has TRIANGLE!!

[MattofSteel]

NONE OF THEM HAVE ENOUGH COWBELL.

[Satorious]

Breadcrumbs is closer to CR, "The names Bond, James Bond" but less overblown and builds better in my opinion. QOS is quite similar in orchestration terms to the CR version but it does have a slightly faster tempo and the triangle you mention - which I like. However I'm still waiting for the wood-block version of Bond!

I must say this Newman material seems to be growing on me. He seems to be using a lot of guitar/chromatic instruments as is his norm. I'd be curious to see him get a second whirl. I do agree with Sharks comment that it all sounds rather ethnic/turkish for a film which is for the most part set in the UK. Ah well, let's see how it works on Friday!

[Vauxhall]

NONE OF THEM HAVE ENOUGH COWBELL.

Respect for the cowbell gag. I was about to weigh in with the same.

[Armand Fancypants]

NONE OF THEM HAVE ENOUGH COWBELL.

Conti is here to assist.

[FredJB007]

Love More Cowbell!!

[univex]

Cowbell for Bond 24 then.

[littlenellie]

The score is as different as Eric Serra's from GoldenEye. I like it, it's dark, strange and rustic. It's a very mature sounding score.

Rustic is a good word to describe it.

• RUSTIC (noun)
  The noun RUSTIC has 1 sense:
1. an unsophisticated country person
 
• RUSTIC (adjective)
  The adjective RUSTIC has 4 senses:
1. characteristic of rural life
2. awkwardly simple and provincial
3. used of idealized country life
4. characteristic of the fields or country
 
These are things we want from our Bond scores

[The Shark]

Well, regardless of what you want from Bond scores, this is the film he returns to his family estate in the Scottish highlands. Back to his roots as it were. The "Older Britain" that Shakespeare and Chaucer wrote about, where the grass was always greener, and men weren't as corrupt. A Garden of Eden.

Rustic or rural fits the subtext of the film.

[Armand Fancypants]

Shakespeare's England is where men weren't as corrupt?!

[MattofSteel]

I grew up in what you'd call definitively rural Canada. Personally, 'rustic' isn't exactly a word I'd use to describe what I've heard of Newman's score.

And no, I don't presume to suggest that growing up on the farm entitles me to a better understanding of the definition of 'rustic'.