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[Shrublands]

[BourneAgainBond]

Yes, here is another, I'd say that hole in the wood on the right will end up as part of the blast damage.




Nice to see the roof going on.

I could be confused about the subject here, but I don't think these are the same places because the buildings are very different. I'm curious about why they built it around a crane? and why did they use such a large crane? could it have something to do with a stunt?

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm curious about why they built it around a crane?

They haven't. The crane is surrounded on three sides by the manor. It will be removed when the fourth side goes up. For now, the crane is positioned as it is for easy access.

and why did they use such a large crane? could it have something to do with a stunt?

I doubt it has anything to do with a stunt. A larger crane has a much greater range of access than a smaller one.

[BourneAgainBond]

I'm curious about why they built it around a crane?

They haven't. The crane is surrounded on three sides by the manor. It will be removed when the fourth side goes up. For now, the crane is positioned as it is for easy access.

and why did they use such a large crane? could it have something to do with a stunt?

I doubt it has anything to do with a stunt. A larger crane has a much greater range of access than a smaller one.

In this photo, you clearly see the crane is in the center of the building and that all four walls are already up.
A larger crane does have greater range, however this isn't a larger crane, its a massively larger crane that you wouldn't normally find on a project so small. The crane probably closet more then the building itself.
So I guess what I was trying to ask is,
why are they using a tower crane instead of a mobile one which would have been a lot cheaper?
Is it to difficult to drive a mobile crane to the location, is that why they choose to use a tower crane?

It looks like they are leaving the crane in and going to edit it out later, which leads me to believe that they aren't blowing it up, as long as there is a crane in the middle.

[univex]

Oh boy, Skyfall better be way less boring than the lead up to it...

On another note: I bet many of the sets secretly build in PWstudios are much much more spectacular. I like this manor thing, but I´m willing to bet that there is so much more to skyfall than this.

Resume crane discussion, by all means

[Captain Tightpants]

why are they using a tower crane instead of a mobile one which would have been a lot cheaper?
Is it to difficult to drive a mobile crane to the location, is that why they choose to use a tower crane?

Because a mobile crane would constantly need to be moved around. A tower crane has a much greater range and reach. It can also be deconstructed, so the shell of the manor house could be built around it. They may also use it as a camera platform, especially if they want extended aerial shots.

[marktmurphy]

It's perfectly normal to use a tower crane on jobs that size.

[Jim]

Right, everyone's an expert on cranes now, yeah?

I accept that this is probably within someone's expertise and the source of either/both their income and/or their pleasure.

It's a crane in a field, far as I can see.

[Shrublands]

Right. That crane.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s staying for the shoot. With lots of action and people moving about in a staged battle around the building, some of the things they have in mind for the helicopter might be too dangerous to use a real one for all the shots. In which case, a dummy helicopter on a cable (with the blades added digitally) would be they way to achieve this.
Enter one big, blue, beautiful crane.

[Col. Sun]

Right. That crane.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s staying for the shoot. With lots of action and people moving about in a staged battle around the building, some of the things they have in mind for the helicopter might be too dangerous to use a real one for all the shots. In which case, a dummy helicopter on a cable (with the blades added digitally) would be they way to achieve this.
Enter one big, blue, beautiful crane.

That's not likely at all. That crane is for construction. For very high angle exterior filming they generally use a Cherry-picker, which can be easily moved around and can rise to great heights and be angled etc. for the specific shots, plus it is easier to climb and rig.

[Shrublands]

I wasn't talking about high angle filming, but suspending an in-shot dummy chopper, if you see what I mean.

I’ve seen flying machines of various different kinds, lowered and raised on tower cranes for filming, with the crane and cable removed later.

[Col. Sun]

I wasn't talking about high angle filming, but suspending an in-shot dummy chopper, if you see what I mean.

I’ve seen flying machines of various different kinds, lowered and raised on tower cranes for filming, with the crane and cable removed later.

Sure, but that won't be how they will do it. If they need to add a chopper into the scene, they'll shoot a real helicopter or perhaps a scale miniature as a F/G plate and add it into the exterior action scenes in post production as digital VFX - traveling mattes; for example, the approaching helicopters at the start of TWINE where added in post.

Most likely the helicopter will be filmed at the location for the most part, but there maybe some specific action shots that they can best achieve in post production.

[Shrublands]

I wasn't talking about high angle filming, but suspending an in-shot dummy chopper, if you see what I mean.

I’ve seen flying machines of various different kinds, lowered and raised on tower cranes for filming, with the crane and cable removed later.

Sure, but that won't be how they will do it. If they need to add a chopper into the scene, they'll shoot a real helicopter or perhaps a scale miniature as a F/G plate and add it into the exterior action scenes in post production as digital VFX - traveling mattes; for example, the approaching helicopters at the start of TWINE where added in post.

Most likely the helicopter will be filmed at the location for the most part, but there maybe some specific action shots that they can best achieve in post production.

Well, for example, on TND they had the body of the helicopter on a crane on set and added the rotating blades later.

[Col. Sun]

I wasn't talking about high angle filming, but suspending an in-shot dummy chopper, if you see what I mean.

I’ve seen flying machines of various different kinds, lowered and raised on tower cranes for filming, with the crane and cable removed later.

Sure, but that won't be how they will do it. If they need to add a chopper into the scene, they'll shoot a real helicopter or perhaps a scale miniature as a F/G plate and add it into the exterior action scenes in post production as digital VFX - traveling mattes; for example, the approaching helicopters at the start of TWINE where added in post.

Most likely the helicopter will be filmed at the location for the most part, but there maybe some specific action shots that they can best achieve in post production.

Well, for example, on TND they had the body of the helicopter on a crane on set and added the rotating blades later.

Indeed they did, for very specific action/stunt shots. They may have complex action work to do with the chopper in Skyfall as they did in TND, in which case, they would bring in cranes and rigging for those specific action shots. We'll have to wait and see how the chopper is used in the Skyfall scenes.

[SecretAgentFan]

I love that crane!

[sharpshooter]

I love that crane!

Let's call it Simon.

[univex]

Freud would go ballistic over this thread.

[Shrublands]

I wasn't talking about high angle filming, but suspending an in-shot dummy chopper, if you see what I mean.

I’ve seen flying machines of various different kinds, lowered and raised on tower cranes for filming, with the crane and cable removed later.

Sure, but that won't be how they will do it. If they need to add a chopper into the scene, they'll shoot a real helicopter or perhaps a scale miniature as a F/G plate and add it into the exterior action scenes in post production as digital VFX - traveling mattes; for example, the approaching helicopters at the start of TWINE where added in post.

Most likely the helicopter will be filmed at the location for the most part, but there maybe some specific action shots that they can best achieve in post production.

Well, for example, on TND they had the body of the helicopter on a crane on set and added the rotating blades later.

Indeed they did, for very specific action/stunt shots. They may have complex action work to do with the chopper in Skyfall as they did in TND, in which case, they would bring in cranes and rigging for those specific action shots. We'll have to wait and see how the chopper is used in the Skyfall scenes.

Which is what I’ve been getting at from the start – suggesting a possible use for that exquisite hunk of metal, other than the obvious. (ie building the house).

[Col. Sun]

I wasn't talking about high angle filming, but suspending an in-shot dummy chopper, if you see what I mean.

I’ve seen flying machines of various different kinds, lowered and raised on tower cranes for filming, with the crane and cable removed later.

Sure, but that won't be how they will do it. If they need to add a chopper into the scene, they'll shoot a real helicopter or perhaps a scale miniature as a F/G plate and add it into the exterior action scenes in post production as digital VFX - traveling mattes; for example, the approaching helicopters at the start of TWINE where added in post.

Most likely the helicopter will be filmed at the location for the most part, but there maybe some specific action shots that they can best achieve in post production.

Well, for example, on TND they had the body of the helicopter on a crane on set and added the rotating blades later.

Indeed they did, for very specific action/stunt shots. They may have complex action work to do with the chopper in Skyfall as they did in TND, in which case, they would bring in cranes and rigging for those specific action shots. We'll have to wait and see how the chopper is used in the Skyfall scenes.

Which is what I’ve been getting at from the start – suggesting a possible use for that exquisite hunk of metal.

The point is that stunt work and rigging work like you are suggesting requires total control and the ability to continuously adjust and manoeuvre, so rooting a huge crane in the middle of a fixed set which then has to be lit for the scenes (just imagine trying to back-light the set with a huge crane in the middle of it casting a giant shadow over everything and everyone in the scene) plus, it seems, blowing the mansion set to pieces, seems a rather unlikely way to go about it.

[Shrublands]

I think this is going round in circles now.

[marktmurphy]

Right, everyone's an expert on cranes now, yeah?

I accept that this is probably within someone's expertise and the source of either/both their income and/or their pleasure.

Indeed. I've worked for a few engineers on a few sites, yeah.

[univex]

Right, everyone's an expert on cranes now, yeah?

I accept that this is probably within someone's expertise and the source of either/both their income and/or their pleasure.

Well, I know that there are fifteen species of cranes in four genera. I know that they live in all continents except Antarctica and South America. Some migrate, some do not. And apparently they are monogamous. Not sure that makes me an expert on cranes though. Ornitology is such a Fleminguesque subject isn´t it?

[Shrublands]

Andy Crane, “popular” BBC children’s continuity announcer of the 80s.




Brian the Crane - best remembered for his role in Hammer’s Quatermass and the Pit




(Here seen in his more regular job, holding up the moon)

[univex]

Dr. Frasier Crane


or more to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JCn_HPB0vc

[Jim]

Right, everyone's an expert on cranes now, yeah?

I accept that this is probably within someone's expertise and the source of either/both their income and/or their pleasure.

Well, I know that there are fifteen species of cranes in four genera. I know that they live in all continents except Antarctica and South America.

Presumably then there are some in Eastern Europe. Specifically U-Crane.

[univex]

Right, everyone's an expert on cranes now, yeah?

I accept that this is probably within someone's expertise and the source of either/both their income and/or their pleasure.

Well, I know that there are fifteen species of cranes in four genera. I know that they live in all continents except Antarctica and South America.

Presumably then there are some in Eastern Europe. Specifically U-Crane.

Lovely Absolutely Lovely.

[Skudor]

I feel like my the contents of my cranium have significantly benefited from reading these last few posts.

[DamnCoffee]

Are we really still discussing cranes?

[Royal Dalton]

Well, it is quite an uplifting subject.

[Jim]

Are we really still discussing cranes?

No pain no crane.