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[Colombo]

Read this DC quote:

"We’ve been working on it quietly for two years,” Craig says. “We’ve been taking all the favorite bits of our favorite Bond movies and putting them together so we can reintroduce them in this movie".

And saw this picture from the recent Greenwich shoot:



...and was wondering if in addition to re-introducing characters like Q and possibly Moneypenny, whether they may be going the DAD route with past entry references/homages to mark the 50th anniversary?

And is staging Bonds 'Death' one of them?

Any thoughts?

Edited by Colombo, 08 January 2012 - 07:21 PM.

[Major Tallon]

I'm inclined to doubt it, but Daniel Craig himself was not involved in filming the scene, so I suppose it's possible.

Also, this should also be in the spoiler section.

[Colombo]

Oops...my bad.

No idea how to move it...could a moderator oblige?

[Royal Dalton]

More like The Living Daylights, I would think.

"Death to Spies, Minister."

[thecasinoroyale]

Ohh interesting!

This is certainly something we've not seen in a Bond film for a while, a funeral scene looking this serious as a plot development idea.

[jaguar007]

I don't like the sound of reintroducing past scenes, I would rather have new material.

[Captain Tightpants]

And is staging Bonds 'Death' one of them?

I don't think so. I doubt EON are going to re-use plot elements simply for the sake of the 50th Anniversary. I suspect the eight dead are somehow connected to one another (by more than superficial means; ie, they are not just MI6 employees, but rather, there is something else under it all), and that that connection will be the driving factor behind the plot.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

According to MI6-hq.com

Spoiler

The dead are MI6 agents who suffered grisly fates during the attack on the organisation that is featured in the opening of the movie. Dame Judi Dench filmed on location as M.

More like The Living Daylights, I would think.

"Death to Spies, Minister."

I'd like that idea better!

[Captain Tightpants]

I suspect the attack is actually an assassintion, and the eight dead are the targets.

[The Shark]

Yeah, it could be quite chilling seeing them picked off one by one.

[Captain Tightpants]

If that's the case, then I figure that only six of them will actually be the targets. Five of them are killed in the initial attack, but one is missing. Whoever carries out the attack tracks them down and kills them. But because one was killed out of sequence, the villains kill another two who are unrelated to the core six so as to cover their tracks.

My concern is that it's going to be dark and joyless and feel out-of-place in a Bond film.

[Matt_13]

Yeah, it could be quite chilling seeing them picked off one by one.

It was effective in LALD. A very real possibility then.

[Captain Tightpants]

With the talk of a 1960s feel to the film, I wonder if the attack on London could be a throwback to the climaxes in days of old, with Bond leading an attacking force against an enemy? We could see Bond - and possibly the other Double-Ohs - rallying field agents together to take back the halls of MI6. Kind of like the virtual reality shooting range in DIE ANOTHER DAY, but done properly with a much broader scope.

[The Shark]

My concern is that it's going to be dark and joyless and feel out-of-place in a Bond film.

If you drag it out, yes, but it doesn't need to be too long. They managed to get it right in DAF in LALD by keeping the murders dark, but not without humour. I don't think think it needs to be a dirge like in the opening of MI '96.

With the talk of a 1960s feel to the film, I wonder if the attack on London could be a throwback to the climaxes in days of old, with Bond leading an attacking force against an enemy? We could see Bond - and possibly the other Double-Ohs - rallying field agents together to take back the halls of MI6. Kind of like the virtual reality shooting range in DIE ANOTHER DAY, but done properly with a much broader scope.

Bring on the jumpsuits!

[Captain Tightpants]

Bring on the jumpsuits!

I was thinking more men in bespoke suits than in jumpsuits.

[mrevans]

I think it would be okay to throw little references in here or there but I reallly hope they don't do what DAD did and turn the movie into a where's Waldo of Bond films. I don't want that to be the focus for the 50th aniversery. Better to commemorate by making an awesome and, as has been said, more classic Bond film. That's the impression I've had and I hope that is more what they are going for and past film references are more minor in the grand scheme of the movie.

[Trevelyan 006]

I think it would be okay to throw little references in here or there but I reallly hope they don't do what DAD did and turn the movie into a where's Waldo of Bond films. I don't want that to be the focus for the 50th aniversery. Better to commemorate by making an awesome and, as has been said, more classic Bond film. That's the impression I've had and I hope that is more what they are going for and past film references are more minor in the grand scheme of the movie.

I'd Have To Agree Directly With You mrevans. Hopefully No Bond Museum-Like Scenes In This One (DAD), But I Believe, And Hope Rather, That We've Smartened Up Since Then. Keep The References Subtle, And Just Make A Great New Bond Film.

[DR76]

"We’ve been working on it quietly for two years,” Craig says. “We’ve been taking all the favorite bits of our favorite Bond movies and putting them together so we can reintroduce them in this movie".

I hope that Craig is merely exaggerating. I would hate for this to be true.

[Captain Tightpants]

I hope that Craig is merely exaggerating. I would hate for this to be true.

He's not exaggerating, but nor are his comments to be taken literally. SKYFALL is not going to be a 'greatest hits' film, with scenes from the previous twenty-two films picked apart and reassembled in an order vaguely resembling a story. Craig means that they have watched the previous films, and tried to identify what it is that made those films work. For example, GOLDFINGER is often cited as the best Bond film. It was really the first Bond film that penetrated the public consciousness on a broad scale. But why did it do that? Why did audiences take to GOLDFINGER in such a way that it is one of the best-remembered films in the series forty years and nineteen films later? That is what Craig is talking about. That's what they're trying to quantify: the things that made Bond films Bond films, and then they're going to try and recreate that experience with SKYFALL.

[Colombo]

I remember way back I posted that I'd like DC's third outing to be his high water-mark "Goldfinger". And someone shot it down saying that the last thing they wanted to see was bond spending half the movie locked up or playing games with his Nemesis...

But again, what i'm hoping for is them surpassing the Greatness that is Casino Royale...it's my most frequently watched latter day Bond. Primarily because it captures the Spirit of all what is great about the character/books that we love. Don't want a 'greatest hits' or another pointless 'Jill Masterson/Agent Fields' re-staging...but a well thought out re-invention that advances the plot would be welcome...

As someone once said, "If you reference the original within 5 years, it's a 'rip-off'. If it's after 20 years it's a 'shout-out' or a 'throw-back'...That's just the way it is"

[Captain Tightpants]

I remember way back I posted that I'd like DC's third outing to be his high water-mark "Goldfinger". And someone shot it down saying that the last thing they wanted to see was bond spending half the movie locked up or playing games with his Nemesis...

And I still believe that - just as I believe SKYFALL can capture the elements that made GOLDFINGER so memorable to the public without having Bond play golf or spenting half the film in a prison cell.

More to the point, you're clearly not reading my post. For one, I only cited GOLDFINGER as an example simply because it is to set in the minds of audiences. And secondly, I made it pretty clear that I think Craig's comments mean SKYFALL is not simply going to duplicate content from previous films, but rather recapture the feeling of one. They are following the spirt of the old films, not the letter.

[Colombo]

d They are following the spirit of the old films, not the letter.

My point exactly. I am not arguing.