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[JimmyBond]

I like how Craig tries to dispell the notion that Skyfall takes place primarily in London. Sure a good portion of the film is going to take place in London, but perhaps not as much as all those photos would have us believe.

[Matt_13]

I'd say about 30 minutes of screen time. If that. Craig there after the PTS, whatever goes on with Dench while Craig is away, action sequence in tube station, and finally the rooftop scene at the end. In the end, he's also visiting Scotland, China, AND Turkey, so only so much screen time can be devoted. I believe him.

[JCH]

From the tidbits all over the web, I’ve tried to piece together some semblance of a plot. In some cases, I’ve taken things I’ve read and drawn conclusions from them (dangerous I know). Here’s what I have - it's a rather rough sketch and would still need a lot of details filled in. Please feel free to correct/update where needed:

· 25-30 years ago there was an off-the-books operation named after Skyfall Lodge that either went terribly awry or was terribly illegal

· M and Kincade were involved in the operation

· The operation resulted in the deaths of Silva’s parents (and probably Bond’s – thus triggering Bond’s possible distrust of M). As a result, Bond and Silva both ended up as orphans perhaps in the same orphanage

· Silva spend his life trying to figure out who was responsible or trying to gain enough clout/connections to pay back those responsible

· He arranges an attack on MI6 to exact his revenge – resulting in the deaths of 8 people but M escapes with the help of Bond. This also triggers an investigation into what happened during the operation.

· They escape to Skyfall where Kincade is now living in deep exile

· As a result, they unwittingly put both M and Kincade in the same location allowing Silva access to both at the same time

· He attacks Skyfall and destroys it resulting in the *MAJOR SPOILER*

· As a result, Mallory, who was overseeing an internal investigation into the operation is now ticketed to take over

As I stated, this is a very rough sketch. Am I even close? If so, does the revenge storyline sound a little Goldeneye/Trevelyan to you?

Edited by JCH, 20 April 2012 - 04:37 PM.

[Shrublands]

From the tidbits all over the web, I’ve tried to piece together some semblance of a plot. In some cases, I’ve taken things I’ve read and drawn conclusions from them (dangerous I know). Here’s what I have - it's a rather rough sketch and would still need a lot of details filled in. Please feel free to correct/update where needed:

· 25-30 years ago there was an off-the-books operation named after Skyfall Lodge that either went terribly awry or was terribly illegal

· M and Kincade were involved in the operation

· The operation resulted in the deaths of Silva’s parents (and probably Bond’s – thus triggering Bond’s possible distrust of M). As a result, Bond and Silva both ended up as orphans perhaps in the same orphanage

· Silva spend his life trying to figure out who was responsible or trying to gain enough clout/connections to pay back those responsible

· He arranges an attack on MI6 to exact his revenge – resulting in the deaths of 8 people but M escapes with the help of Bond. This also triggers an investigation into what happened during the operation.

· They escape to Skyfall where Kincade is now living in deep exile

· As a result, they unwittingly put both M and Kincade in the same location allowing Silva access to both at the same time

· He attacks Skyfall and destroys it resulting in the *MAJOR SPOILER*

· As a result, Mallory, who was overseeing an internal investigation into the operation is now ticketed to take over

As I stated, this is a very rough sketch. Am I even close? If so, does the revenge storyline sound a little Goldeneye/Trevelyan to you?

That’s not very easy to read.

[MattofSteel]

And some of it, while creative, doesn't sound particularly likely.

[JCH]

And some of it, while creative, doesn't sound particularly likely.

Like I said, it was a very rough sketch from the various pieces of info spread across the web. I was just trying to get a feel of how some of these scattered pieces of info might fit together.

From the tidbits all over the web, I’ve tried to piece together some semblance of a plot. In some cases, I’ve taken things I’ve read and drawn conclusions from them (dangerous I know). Here’s what I have - it's a rather rough sketch and would still need a lot of details filled in. Please feel free to correct/update where needed:

· 25-30 years ago there was an off-the-books operation named after Skyfall Lodge that either went terribly awry or was terribly illegal

· M and Kincade were involved in the operation

· The operation resulted in the deaths of Silva’s parents (and probably Bond’s – thus triggering Bond’s possible distrust of M). As a result, Bond and Silva both ended up as orphans perhaps in the same orphanage

· Silva spend his life trying to figure out who was responsible or trying to gain enough clout/connections to pay back those responsible

· He arranges an attack on MI6 to exact his revenge – resulting in the deaths of 8 people but M escapes with the help of Bond. This also triggers an investigation into what happened during the operation.

· They escape to Skyfall where Kincade is now living in deep exile

· As a result, they unwittingly put both M and Kincade in the same location allowing Silva access to both at the same time

· He attacks Skyfall and destroys it resulting in the *MAJOR SPOILER*

· As a result, Mallory, who was overseeing an internal investigation into the operation is now ticketed to take over

As I stated, this is a very rough sketch. Am I even close? If so, does the revenge storyline sound a little Goldeneye/Trevelyan to you?

That’s not very easy to read.

Sorry about the formatting. I had to cut and paste it and didn't do a particularly good job of it.

Edited by JCH, 20 April 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[MattofSteel]

Some parts of it make sense, I just don't quite think you've fit them altogether correctly. Good effort, though.

I sincerely doubt Bond's parents will be involved in the spy/MI6 side of the story in any capacity, or Silva's (too close to Trevelyan's motivation). And I may be a bit against the current here, but I don't see Kincaide having anything to do with the spy/MI6 side either. I think he's simply the caretaker of Skyfall in Bond's absence.

For the MI6 history itself to connect to Bond's personal history is just too much of a contrivance - but then again, if his family estate is as major of a location as it seems to be, who knows what the hell they've cooked up.

[JCH]

For the MI6 history itself to connect to Bond's personal history is just too much of a contrivance - but then again, if his family estate is as major of a location as it seems to be, who knows what the hell they've cooked up.

The use of his family estate - if in fact it is - and the times I've heard it mentioned that Silva and Bond had a prior connection are what led me to include the death of the parents in the discussion. Also, I got the sense from the official synopsis that Bond would learn info about M that would make him question his loyalty to her. Combining the above info with that is what led me to draw the line to the possible death of his parents.

I'll admit it's probably a stretch on my part.

[MattofSteel]

It was very recently and explicitly done in Carte Blanche, which is my main reason for doubting it appearing in Skyfall.

[Harmsway]

I actually think JCH is very close with his idea of Bond and Silva both having been orphaned by a past operation involving M. Bond's parents certainly tie into the main story somehow. We know that M's past comes back to haunt her, we know that Bond and Silva have a special relationship, and we know that the film ends with the destruction of Bond's childhood home. Nothing explains that all as neatly as M being responsible for the death of Bond's parents (and some other tragedy involving Silva). Furthermore, bringing the notion of M as Bond's surrogate mom to the forefront certainly squares with the way they've develoepd her relationship with Bond in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

And, furthermore, that kind of storyline would make Bond and M's interactions in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE seem a bit more credible. M's guilt about the past would explain why she is so exceedingly lenient with Bond, even when he's preposterously out of order.

It was very recently and explicitly done in Carte Blanche, which is my main reason for doubting it appearing in Skyfall.

Except the story for SKYFALL was in evolution long before CARTE BLANCHE. Morgan, with his "shocking" hook, was announced as being tied to the project in '09. Deaver didn't get to work on CARTE BLANCHE until the latter part of 2010.

[JCH]

I actually think JCH is very close with his idea of Bond and Silva both having been orphaned by a past operation involving M. Bond's parents certainly tie into the main story somehow. We know that M's past comes back to haunt her, we know that Bond and Silva have a special relationship, and we know that the film ends with the destruction of Bond's childhood home. Nothing explains that all as neatly as M being responsible for the death of Bond's parents (and some other tragedy involving Silva). Furthermore, bringing the notion of M as Bond's surrogate mom to the forefront certainly squares with the way they've develoepd her relationship with Bond in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

And, furthermore, that kind of storyline would make Bond and M's interactions in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE seem a bit more credible. M's guilt about the past would explain why she is so exceedingly lenient with Bond, even when he's preposterously out of order.

Thank you for organizing my thoughts in a far more coherent manner than I did.

If the above is true, then that would lend even more poignancy to the aforementioned "shocking hook" spoiler. And also lend an automatic handicap to any work-related relationships that were born out of said hook.

Either way, I'm really looking forward to November.

EDIT: You know, now that I think about it I always thought the "company line" about Bond's parents dying in a climbing accident always struck me as contrived and convenient. If the the above does turn out to be the story, that would tie together something they've only lightly touched on in the 50 years of the franchise.

Edited by JCH, 21 April 2012 - 02:39 AM.

[JimmyBond]

Wouldn't that all be a tad too "soap opera-ish?"

I'm really not sure how I'd feel about that type of revelation in a Bond film. Especially one that the producers are touting as Bond with a capital "B."

[PPK_19]

Here's my take on what I think Skyfall will be about:
I don't think it has anything to do with Bonds parents, I think there was some sort of undercover and contriversial operation concieved at Skyfall lodge, and my hunch is that Silva was an enemy of the Operation Skyfall who decided to change sides and work with MI6 with the promise of immunity or some sort of compensation (similar to Le Chiffre in Casino Royale) if he assists MI6. However, M doesn't follow through with whatever promise she made with Silva and has him arrested (which would explain Silva's isolation guards on the call sheets) when the operation is finished. After many years Silva manages to break out from this remote prison (possibly on Hashima island?) and executes a massive attack on MI6 resulting in the death of 8 agents, with M next on Silva's list. That way M is somewhat antagonized and Silva seems a little justified in taking action against MI6 (which explains Javier's comments about Silva maybe not being a "good villain" or not necessarily being a "bad guy"). Perhaps also Bond isn't aware of the promise M made to Silva and her decision to betray him, so once it is revealed to him, he begins to rethink M's ethics (or lack thereof) and question his loyalty to M. Of course this is just a general outline of what I believe the plot will be, but it would be quite interesting to see the plot come full circle and have the climax take place right where the whole story began, at Skyfall lodge where Bond, M, Kincade, and Silva, the architects of Operation Skyfall, have their final, explosive showdown. It also provides a nice spin on the multiple meanings of the title. It's the name of an operation, Bond's ancestral home, and an expression of Bond's "sky falling" as MI6 is in turmoil and he finds out that his boss isn't so squeaky clean after all.

Bang on, i'd say.

[Harmsway]

Wouldn't that all be a tad too "soap opera-ish?"

Maybe, but that doesn't mean it's not accurate.

[DamnCoffee]

Here's my take on what I think Skyfall will be about:
I don't think it has anything to do with Bonds parents, I think there was some sort of undercover and contriversial operation concieved at Skyfall lodge, and my hunch is that Silva was an enemy of the Operation Skyfall who decided to change sides and work with MI6 with the promise of immunity or some sort of compensation (similar to Le Chiffre in Casino Royale) if he assists MI6. However, M doesn't follow through with whatever promise she made with Silva and has him arrested (which would explain Silva's isolation guards on the call sheets) when the operation is finished. After many years Silva manages to break out from this remote prison (possibly on Hashima island?) and executes a massive attack on MI6 resulting in the death of 8 agents, with M next on Silva's list. That way M is somewhat antagonized and Silva seems a little justified in taking action against MI6 (which explains Javier's comments about Silva maybe not being a "good villain" or not necessarily being a "bad guy"). Perhaps also Bond isn't aware of the promise M made to Silva and her decision to betray him, so once it is revealed to him, he begins to rethink M's ethics (or lack thereof) and question his loyalty to M. Of course this is just a general outline of what I believe the plot will be, but it would be quite interesting to see the plot come full circle and have the climax take place right where the whole story began, at Skyfall lodge where Bond, M, Kincade, and Silva, the architects of Operation Skyfall, have their final, explosive showdown. It also provides a nice spin on the multiple meanings of the title. It's the name of an operation, Bond's ancestral home, and an expression of Bond's "sky falling" as MI6 is in turmoil and he finds out that his boss isn't so squeaky clean after all.

Amazing idea!

[Harmsway]

Here's my take on what I think Skyfall will be about:
I don't think it has anything to do with Bonds parents, I think there was some sort of undercover and contriversial operation concieved at Skyfall lodge, and my hunch is that Silva was an enemy of the Operation Skyfall who decided to change sides and work with MI6 with the promise of immunity or some sort of compensation (similar to Le Chiffre in Casino Royale) if he assists MI6. However, M doesn't follow through with whatever promise she made with Silva and has him arrested (which would explain Silva's isolation guards on the call sheets) when the operation is finished. After many years Silva manages to break out from this remote prison (possibly on Hashima island?) and executes a massive attack on MI6 resulting in the death of 8 agents, with M next on Silva's list. That way M is somewhat antagonized and Silva seems a little justified in taking action against MI6 (which explains Javier's comments about Silva maybe not being a "good villain" or not necessarily being a "bad guy"). Perhaps also Bond isn't aware of the promise M made to Silva and her decision to betray him, so once it is revealed to him, he begins to rethink M's ethics (or lack thereof) and question his loyalty to M. Of course this is just a general outline of what I believe the plot will be, but it would be quite interesting to see the plot come full circle and have the climax take place right where the whole story began, at Skyfall lodge where Bond, M, Kincade, and Silva, the architects of Operation Skyfall, have their final, explosive showdown. It also provides a nice spin on the multiple meanings of the title. It's the name of an operation, Bond's ancestral home, and an expression of Bond's "sky falling" as MI6 is in turmoil and he finds out that his boss isn't so squeaky clean after all.

But why would an operation have been hatched at Bond's ancestral home unless his parents were somehow engaged in the spy game? It doesn't add up, unless they were involved in the operation to begin with (either in hatching it or in its execution).

[Dustin]

It was very recently and explicitly done in Carte Blanche, which is my main reason for doubting it appearing in Skyfall.

Except the story for SKYFALL was in evolution long before CARTE BLANCHE. Morgan, with his "shocking" hook, was announced as being tied to the project in '09. Deaver didn't get to work on CARTE BLANCHE until the latter part of 2010.

That, and the fact Deaver didn't really use it at all, he merely mentioned the possibility, alluded all kinds of implications and before the theme was really touched with knife and fork the plate was cleared away again, without proper proof of either possibility. Frankly, it was just a wasted idea without any consequence for either the plot of CB or the character of its protagonist.

Wouldn't that all be a tad too "soap opera-ish?"

I'm really not sure how I'd feel about that type of revelation in a Bond film. Especially one that the producers are touting as Bond with a capital "B."

It would surely set Bond right in the middle of the story, more so than both CR and QOS did. Bond with a capital 'B' can mean many different things apparently.

[S K Y F A L L]

If so, does the revenge storyline sound a little Goldeneye/Trevelyan to you?

It does to me and if this is all true perhaps the pre-title sequence would also be set in the past like in GE, unless we already know what the pre title sequence is?..

Here's my take on what I think Skyfall will be about:
I don't think it has anything to do with Bonds parents, I think there was some sort of undercover and contriversial operation concieved at Skyfall lodge, and my hunch is that Silva was an enemy of the Operation Skyfall who decided to change sides and work with MI6 with the promise of immunity or some sort of compensation (similar to Le Chiffre in Casino Royale) if he assists MI6. However, M doesn't follow through with whatever promise she made with Silva and has him arrested (which would explain Silva's isolation guards on the call sheets) when the operation is finished. After many years Silva manages to break out from this remote prison (possibly on Hashima island?) and executes a massive attack on MI6 resulting in the death of 8 agents, with M next on Silva's list. That way M is somewhat antagonized and Silva seems a little justified in taking action against MI6 (which explains Javier's comments about Silva maybe not being a "good villain" or not necessarily being a "bad guy"). Perhaps also Bond isn't aware of the promise M made to Silva and her decision to betray him, so once it is revealed to him, he begins to rethink M's ethics (or lack thereof) and question his loyalty to M. Of course this is just a general outline of what I believe the plot will be, but it would be quite interesting to see the plot come full circle and have the climax take place right where the whole story began, at Skyfall lodge where Bond, M, Kincade, and Silva, the architects of Operation Skyfall, have their final, explosive showdown. It also provides a nice spin on the multiple meanings of the title. It's the name of an operation, Bond's ancestral home, and an expression of Bond's "sky falling" as MI6 is in turmoil and he finds out that his boss isn't so squeaky clean after all.

But why would an operation have been hatched at Bond's ancestral home unless his parents were somehow engaged in the spy game? It doesn't add up, unless they were involved in the operation to begin with (either in hatching it or in its execution).

I was just about to say the same thing. I don't understand how Skyfall Manor is involved. Bond could have took M their to be safe but why would the operation be named operation Skyfall?

[glidrose]

Let me say that I hope you are all wrong because this idea is truly terrible.

[S K Y F A L L]

We all know that Ian Fleming created "Operation Golden Eye" in WW2 and named his estate in Jamaica "Goldeneye."
Perhaps, M and Kincade like Fleming created Operation SkyFall (OSF) and named it after Bonds parents estate because OSF involved recruiting orphans who are in service, Bond being in the Navy at the time. Bond's family estate was erased from the records by M and Kincade so that Bond has no ties to anything but his duty, although Kincade secretly confiscates it. Silva is chosen as a recruited but after learning of OSF he attempt's to escape and is arrested. When Silva escapes he murders the rest of the OSF agents in MI6 who helped arrested him, then M and Kincade? Is Bond's estate absolutely named SF?

[Pussfeller]

I can see Silva perhaps being a schoolmate of Bond's, maybe a close friend, and the two of them were recruited at the same time. Intelligence agents are often recruited at universities, not so much at orphanages. I can't believe the producers would go back and draw more water from the orphan well. Even if it weren't ridiculously Dickensian and melodramatic, it would result in a villain who is basically a rehash of Trevelyan.

[Major Tallon]

Is Bond's estate absolutely named SF?

Absolutely.

[thecasinoroyale]

...mmm I'm not a fan of the Silva/Bond connection - seems a bit 'GoldenEye'-ish to me, and the link between them seems to far to make believeable.

Ohh I don't know...this film is now making us ask too many questions than we have answers which is making it all more exciting to see and hear more news!

[Dustin]

I can see Silva perhaps being a schoolmate of Bond's, maybe a close friend, and the two of them were recruited at the same time. Intelligence agents are often recruited at universities, not so much at orphanages. I can't believe the producers would go back and draw more water from the orphan well. Even if it weren't ridiculously Dickensian and melodramatic, it would result in a villain who is basically a rehash of Trevelyan.

Moreover, it's practically David Morrell's BROTHERHOOD OF THE ROSE, down to the secret-service-inside-the-secret-service device.

[Harmsway]

...mmm I'm not a fan of the Silva/Bond connection - seems a bit 'GoldenEye'-ish to me, and the link between them seems to far to make believeable.

Oh, it's very GOLDENEYE, but the Bond franchise has never been averse to rehashing previous storylines and angles.

[Kristian]

Seriously. In the lead-up to DAD, I was convinced that EON wouldn't turn Miranda Frost into a surprise villainess, because we'd already had one femme fatale dupe M in TWINE, the previous film. And I thought they would not dare rehash that element so soon. And what happened? We got another femme fatale who duped M - so soon after Elektra.

In other words, if DAD rehashed part of TWINE so quickly, who's to say SF won't do the same to GE - a film 6 spots and 17 years ago? I guess we'll see....

[S K Y F A L L]

I can see Silva perhaps being a schoolmate of Bond's, maybe a close friend, and the two of them were recruited at the same time. Intelligence agents are often recruited at universities, not so much at orphanages. I can't believe the producers would go back and draw more water from the orphan well. Even if it weren't ridiculously Dickensian and melodramatic, it would result in a villain who is basically a rehash of Trevelyan.

Moreover, it's practically David Morrell's BROTHERHOOD OF THE ROSE, down to the secret-service-inside-the-secret-service device.

Bond did go to University, I'm not completely sure when. I always assumed while he was in service. I was just trying to put the puzzle together, how would you connect the dots, between Operation SF and SF manor?

Is Bond's estate absolutely named SF?

Absolutely.

And don't we already know that SF is also absolutely also a name of an operation/mission?

...mmm I'm not a fan of the Silva/Bond connection - seems a bit 'GoldenEye'-ish to me, and the link between them seems to far to make believeable.

Oh, it's very GOLDENEYE, but the Bond franchise has never been averse to rehashing previous storylines and angles.

Seriously. In the lead-up to DAD, I was convinced that EON wouldn't turn Miranda Frost into a surprise villainess, because we'd already had one femme fatale dupe M in TWINE, the previous film. And I thought they would not dare rehash that element so soon. And what happened? We got another femme fatale who duped M - so soon after Elektra.
In other words, if DAD rehashed part of TWINE so quickly, who's to say SF won't do the same to GE - a film 6 spots and 17 years ago? I guess we'll see....

Great points. It does sounds like GE but its almost like a tribute to M, as if shes gone full circle. Now I'm wondering if there is a chance M's is a traitor/villain?

[AMC Hornet]

Naw, she just dies.

[MattofSteel]

EDIT.

[007jamesbond]

Even with all the photos, videos, interviews, rumour/speculation, videoblogs.......very little detail about the plot has been revealed beside the press release absolutely nothing