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[S K Y F A L L]

Good call, it seems like we have a complex plot here. For me it can't just be as simple as Bond taking M to SF manor for safety.
M's past comes back to haunt her, Bond and her find themselves at Bond's family as-state. Maybe SF is a emotional link between to two.

[Shrublands]

I think it goes something like this –

M had Silva put away a few years ago. He’s a deeply dangerous individual, but M used him for information, with promises of immunity (the big picture). Then she double-crossed him and shoved him in a top-security prison all the same.
Something happens that lets him escape which leads to a massive revenge attack on MI6 with many lost lives.
Mallory’s reaction is that she has completely misjudged the situation and this man. Bond finds himself reminded of what she planned for Le Chiffre and (at first at least) agrees with Mallory’s position.

[S K Y F A L L]

That all adds up nicely.

[DamnCoffee]

I like the sound of that a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be the case. I think you've hit the nail on the head, Shrublands.

[007jamesbond]

I agree....I do not believe the plot will be straight forward......it will be complicated and hard to understand for most viewers but I think Bond fans will understand this better

[DamnCoffee]

I think the story will be straightforward, welll, even if there's some parts that aren't, they'll try to explain it as best as they can. One of the main compaints about Quantum is that the story made no sense.

[sharpshooter]

I like the sound of that a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be the case. I think you've hit the nail on the head, Shrublands.

Agreed. It sounds about right.

[thecasinoroyale]

Sounds plausable Shrublands. Dench's 'M' does seem to be one who will make promises and sacrifice others to get her ideal goal, as reminded in 'GoldenEye' with her 'sending a man out to die' quote, and even in 'The World Is Not Enough' with the King situation that Electra get's wind of her advising her father how to act during the kidnap.

I'm looking forward to all these suspected links and plot themes we're trying to crack, see how close (or far away!) we are.

[AMC Hornet]

I think I've figured it out:

M doesn't die in Skyfall, but she is forced to retire when all that bourbon she's been chugging takes its toll on her. Those aren't her ashes that Bond and Eve scatter on the London rooftop, but the cremated remains of her liver.

M appears once more in a film about her experiences in rehab, titled 'Die Another 28 Days.'

[S K Y F A L L]

I think it goes something like this –
M had Silva put away a few years ago. He’s a deeply dangerous individual, but M used him for information, with promises of immunity (the big picture). Then she double-crossed him and shoved him in a top-security prison all the same.
Something happens that lets him escape which leads to a massive revenge attack on MI6 with many lost lives.
Mallory’s reaction is that she has completely misjudged the situation and this man. Bond finds himself reminded of what she planned for Le Chiffre and (at first at least) agrees with Mallory’s position.

I can't completely remember what did M plan for Le Chiffre? Perhaps those photos that look like Mallory and Bond are having a shoot-out, is Mallory mistrusting Bond because of his connection to M and Bond convincing Mallory of his innocents.

[Vauxhall]

I don't think they're having a shoot out. However, I'm sure that the similar photos have been released so that we reach exactly that conclusion. If, for argument's sake, government agent Mallory did turn on Bond and fire at him, I'm sure the tight SKYFALL controls wouldn't leak something so significant in such a careless manner.

[S K Y F A L L]

Good point.

[Matt_13]

Bond catches up to Silva in the shadowy, wet depths of the tunnel and fires off a pair of shots from his trusty Walther PPK as Bardem's character ascends a ladder in the foreground of the scene. Sparks fly as the shots hit the metal ladder near Silva.
“I won't miss next time, Mr. Silva,” says Bond as he steps from the shadows, his pistol leveled at Silva.
“Not bad, James – for a physical wreck,” responds Silva.
“Why, thank you,” says Bond, ever the gentleman.
“You called me, now here's your prize,” continues Silva. “It's the latest thing from my local toy store – it's called a radio.”
The scene concluded with Silva holding up a radio in his hand.

THAT is an interesting tidbit. Either Bardem is taking a dig at Bond's physique (sort of talking up his own), or Bond is in rough shape for this film. We've seen him exercising in the pool and I believe one of the call sheets states that early on he goes for a run, so maybe we're to believe that after the PTS, Bond takes some serious time off, and comes back a bit rusty.

[PPK_19]

The dialogue is fine right up until Silva says: "You called me, now here's your prize....it's the latest thing from my local toy store- it's called a radio."

Awful writing. Though it might sound better on-screen but...

[Matt_13]

It could be a reference to his lair if he has one...or maybe the island.

[The Dove]

Nothing wrong with that dialogue in the least in my opinion..very sinister! Can't wait to see it on screen...

[PPK_19]

Nothing wrong with that dialogue in the least in my opinion..very sinister! Can't wait to see it on screen...

Really? I think it sounds corny. But hey, i'm sure Mendes will get a fantastic performance out of an actor of Bardem's ability so fingers crossed it sounds sinister on screen!

[The Dove]

Meh..perhaps a little bit corny..but after Jinx's "Yo Mama...and she told me to tell you she's very disappointed in you!" *facepalm* Ugh.., this new line sounds like sheer brilliance! LOL ..But you're right, PPK...let's wait and see it in context of the film..

[MattofSteel]

I'm with PPK. I'll reserve ultimate judgement until I see it, but that sounds downright bad on paper.

[Matt_13]

It seems to be implying that Bardem has a lot of gadgets at his disposal, and that by this point we may have already seen something far more interesting on the technological front. The joke here would be that we're expecting to see another one of his chaos causing gadgets, but then he simply holds up a radio with devastating effect.

[Royal Dalton]

“You called me, now here's your prize,” continues Silva.

I reckon they've misheard that line, and it should be: "You caught me, now here's your prize."

[MattofSteel]

True. And I've seen this scene represented in 3 different ways in 3 different set reports (IE, apparently Silva refers to himself as a physical wreck, and not Bond), so who really knows what the hell's going on.

I'm sure it will be fine. Literally everyone involved wouldn't be this excited if the script wasn't great.

[Shrublands]

“You called me, now here's your prize,” continues Silva.

I reckon they've misheard that line, and it should be: "You caught me, now here's your prize."

You're probably right there, Coming Soon, who were also there, report it as - "Now that you got me, here's your prize."

[Vauxhall]

Sounds a bit ropey on paper, but it seems the reviewers are just paraphrasing slightly anyway, given that there are slight differences between reviews. I'm sure Craig and Bardem will give it a good go, and it will be fine. I guess the explosion will ultimately distract us somewhat.

[ggl]

So:

- Bond wants Silva alive

- Silva knows Bond´s name

[Shrublands]

The dialogue is fine right up until Silva says: "You called me, now here's your prize....it's the latest thing from my local toy store- it's called a radio."

Awful writing. Though it might sound better on-screen but...

I don’t think the reporters heard the whole exchange. I think Silva says something like...
“Now here's your prize - it's the latest thing from my local toy store - it's called a radio controlled train set.”
The radio triggers the bomb and one gigantic explosion later, a whole Tube train tears through the roof of the catacomb.

[Royal Dalton]

- Silva knows Bond´s name

Yeah, which possibly suggests some kind of history between the two of them.

Perhaps Silva was a Mathis-type ally of Bond's in the past?

[Matt_13]

Hadn't thought of that. He didn't refer to him as Mr Bond, so there is the indication that they have a history.

[ggl]

By the way, this last dialogue is quite similar to the previous leaked dialogue...

Was the same scene? It´s difficult to believe twice Bond has Silva and twice Silva escapes with an explosion...

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