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[Matt_13]

He's also been banned. These forums are a fun place to blow off some steam. Noone should be telling anybody that their ideas are not plausible or have no evidence to support them. We're just hear to goof off and talk about the things that we like. At the end of the day, we're all alike in our affection and appreciation for this character. There's no reason why there should be any genuine friction on these boards. Argument is great, but the putting down of others isn't tolerable. Anyway, that's the end of my bit. Have I mentioned how incredibly excited I am about this one? Things are shaping up too well, I need to see some real footage real soon. Enough of the talking heads EON! Give us something to sink our teeth into!

[dirtymind]

I need to see some real footage real soon.

Same here. I can't wait to see some footage of Bardem.

[Pussfeller]

Or something indoors. Virtually everything we've seen has taken place outdoors, and has revolved around vehicles.

[Matt_13]

Indeed. I'm eager to see what Gassner and co. have cooked up.

[Pussfeller]

What happened to Captain Tightpants then?

What happened to Righty007? I went to check his profile the other day but saw his username had been 'whited out' much like Tightpants, so I can only assume that he, too, has been suspended/banned.

I hope it's a suspension, not a ban. I know that Righty and Tightpants have gotten on people's nerves, but they are genuine Bond enthusiasts.

[DamnCoffee]

It's a ban. I don't know the main details of what's gone on with Tightpants, but as far as Righty is concerned, good riddance to bad rubbish I say. Yes, he's a Bond enthusiast but it still doesn't give him any right to throw his own weight around. This shouldn't be a forum full of arguing, it should be a one of general debate and excitement. Righty has no purpose here anymore, he made a lot of people uncomfortable around here, myself included. Now, back on topic.

Edited by Mharkin, 03 April 2012 - 03:53 AM.

[coco1997]

It's a ban. I don't know the main details of what's gone on with Tightpants, but as far as Righty is concerned, good riddance to bad rubbish I say. Yes, he's a Bond enthusiast but it still doesn't give him any right to throw his own weight around. This shouldn't be a forum full of arguing, it should be a one of general debate and excitement. Righty has no purpose here anymore, he made a lot of people uncomfortable around here, myself included. Now, back on topic.

Wasn't Righty a mod, though? I apologize for beating a dead horse, but I was just curious as I didn't know mods could be banned by other moderators.

[Jim]

It's a ban. I don't know the main details of what's gone on with Tightpants, but as far as Righty is concerned, good riddance to bad rubbish I say. Yes, he's a Bond enthusiast but it still doesn't give him any right to throw his own weight around. This shouldn't be a forum full of arguing, it should be a one of general debate and excitement. Righty has no purpose here anymore, he made a lot of people uncomfortable around here, myself included. Now, back on topic.

Wasn't Righty a mod, though?

No. Not for some time.

[thecasinoroyale]

Happy to see that justice has been served in a strange 'RoboCop' style - "Serve the public trust, protect the innocent, uphold the Bond-law."!


I'm praying soon that now London filming has been wrapped and Turkey is on the go that we must be getting some sort of...something soon from the team about the plot or general feel for the film rather than just the 2 sentences of official plot...oooh I can't wait for something more!

[S K Y F A L L]

This is a re-post of mine, should I post it in the "Unorthodox Bond Opinions" thread?

How about some speculation?
Operation Skyfall some how connects M's past to Albert Finney who sends Silva out to get revenge.
MI5 starts their own investigation after the MI6 bombings and sends out Eve as their field agent.
Ralph Fiennes takes over as M while Judi Dench is on the run and must tie up her lose ends.
Bond gets a lead about Berenice Marlohe who is some how involved in Silva's business and investigates.
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We've know since the press conference that Skyfall will have some type of "emotional context" however we also know that its being called "Operation Skyfall" in Brazil.
I also remember reading claims that the plot could have something to with a satellite falling from orbit and Bond going after it because it has valuable information. Which from what I heard is also a plot device from a Bond novel from the 90's, 1999 I think.
I thought I would step it up a level and suggest that its not a satellite carrying information is rather the same satellite from DAF. "James, how the hell do we get those diamonds down again?"-Tiffany Case/DAF

But technically that hasn't happened yet because the series has been rebooted, so the satellite doesn't even exist.

When the film makers said it is a standalone 007 film. I guess I took that as though it is a return to the general/original Bond timeline, simply 10 years since DAD.

Edited by S K Y F A L L, 03 April 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[Vauxhall]

What happened to Captain Tightpants then?

What happened to Righty007? I went to check his profile the other day but saw his username had been 'whited out' much like Tightpants, so I can only assume that he, too, has been suspended/banned.

I hope it's a suspension, not a ban. I know that Righty and Tightpants have gotten on people's nerves, but they are genuine Bond enthusiasts.

I agree, but won't dwell on it here.

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On the subject of the synopsis, my big question is how Silva is connected to the likely plot of M's links to Kincade (Finney) and possibly the Bonds' home at Skyfall Lodge, Glencoe. If we speculate that there is a past operation which M was involved in that comes to be relevant again, perhaps Silva is related to someone was directly affected by MI6's actions decades ago, and is now looking for vengeance. It seems to be the case that Silva's target is M, which is an interesting change from villains targeting Bond or aiming for good ol' world domination.

On the early stage of the movie, my guess is that the Istanbul pre-credits will seem largely detached from the plot (à la GOLDFINGER or OCTOPUSSY), but its relevance will perhaps emerge at a later stage. Indeed, perhaps it's either a flashback, or a sequence to establish a working relationship between Bond and Eve - which perhaps she messes up on, thus jeopardising the operation, causing them to fail in their task.

As the main body of the movie opens, M witnesses an attack on MI6. As this has been done in previous movies, I wonder whether the explosion is a distraction for someone to hack into their system while they're vulnerable. Following that, M gets a severe dressing down by Mallory (Fiennes), and whilst not dismissed, finds her powers greatly limited and is excessively supervised as a result of what her superiors consider her failings. Tanner tracks down Bond - currently on extended leave and out of shape following the failed Istanbul mission - and brings him to the MI6 bunker to see M, who requests him to essentially go rogue and follow the trail of evidence to detect who compromised MI6. She allocates Eve to assist him, much to his initial displeasure.

In short, I reckon this leads to Severine in Shanghai, where he also comes across Patrice for the first time, and prevents a sniper assassination. From there, events appear to lead to a casino in Macau, and then onwards to Central Turkey, before returning to London. I can't currently think of what he could be tracking down at each of these different stages, but never mind.

The other issue I have is that currently we have no indication of Silva appearing before the London footchase through the underground. I'd assume he must appear before the final third of the film, so perhaps he also features somewhere in the Shanghai/Macau sequence (or is actually Severine's husband). He could be a convincing high roller in the casino with that fine rug of blond hair... although I like the idea of him being a master of disguise, with multiple identities and grasp of languages/accents.

Anyway, just a few half-baked ideas. I'd be amazed if even 1% of that proved accurate!

[Royal Dalton]

Yes, I speculated somewhere on here before that Silva was involved in the Skyfall plot and was left to carry the can by MI6 and ended up in prison (in Turkey?), so now he's out for revenge.

I think it's likely that some of the components in the bomb that blows up MI6 are traced back to a Chinese company, so Bond is sent to Shanghai to investigate. Then he comes into contact with Severine and follows her to Turkey, where he discovers Silva's plan and has to get back to London to stop it.

[glidrose]

What happened to Captain Tightpants then?

What happened to Righty007? I went to check his profile the other day but saw his username had been 'whited out' much like Tightpants, so I can only assume that he, too, has been suspended/banned.

I hope it's a suspension, not a ban. I know that Righty and Tightpants have gotten on people's nerves, but they are genuine Bond enthusiasts.

David Schofield is also, sadly, banned. He was one of my favorite posters. Caustic, insightful, thoughtful and always worth reading. I'm very sorry I never got around to sending him a PM.

I will miss him as I will miss Righty and Captain Tightpants.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled Bond program.

[S K Y F A L L]

This is a re-post of mine, should I post it in the "Unorthodox Bond Opinions" thread?

How about some speculation?
Operation Skyfall some how connects M's past to Albert Finney who sends Silva out to get revenge.
MI5 starts their own investigation after the MI6 bombings and sends out Eve as their field agent.
Ralph Fiennes takes over as M while Judi Dench is on the run and must tie up her lose ends.
Bond gets a lead about Berenice Marlohe who is some how involved in Silva's business and investigates.
-
We've know since the press conference that Skyfall will have some type of "emotional context" however we also know that its being called "Operation Skyfall" in Brazil.
I also remember reading claims that the plot could have something to with a satellite falling from orbit and Bond going after it because it has valuable information. Which from what I heard is also a plot device from a Bond novel from the 90's, 1999 I think.
I thought I would step it up a level and suggest that its not a satellite carrying information is rather the same satellite from DAF. "James, how the hell do we get those diamonds down again?"-Tiffany Case/DAF

But technically that hasn't happened yet because the series has been rebooted, so the satellite doesn't even exist.

When the film makers said it is a standalone 007 film. I guess I took that as though it is a return to the general/original Bond timeline, simply 10 years since DAD.

I just love this post of mine.

[Vauxhall]

Nice line from the French magazine article, quoting Dennis Gassner:

"When we started location scouting, we looked for a city that had the ability to transform people who crossed it. Shanghai had this ability."

Sounds to me that the Chinese scenes might be the fulcrum of the movie in some way, possibly in character development for the duration of SKYFALL.

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, it sounds like Bond will be reborn in some way during this part of the film.

Although, maybe his rebirth just amounts to him getting rid of the beard and becoming 'James Bond' again?

[S K Y F A L L]

Perhaps they play with the fact that there hasn't been a Bond film in 4 years and Bond hasn't been active in the mean while or something.

[007jamesbond]

Yeah, it sounds like Bond will be reborn in some way during this part of the film.

Although, maybe his rebirth just amounts to him getting rid of the beard and becoming 'James Bond' again?

what you mean by Bond will be reborn?

[S K Y F A L L]

Ralph Fiennes character in the underground bunker? He is a government agent, so it looks like the shoe fits.

I just had to re-post this wicked photo Marketto007 posted in the "Skyfall image thread."

Here' another one, where we can see Ralph Fiennes for the first time.

xxx

I'm just guessing but it looks like Fiennes is in the underground bunker we have seen photos of with M in.

[Royal Dalton]

To become a new man in some way (but not like Spock in Star Trek III).

Confucious, he say: "Man with blond hair should shave off beard."

[Matt_13]

Nice line from the French magazine article, quoting Dennis Gassner:

"When we started location scouting, we looked for a city that had the ability to transform people who crossed it. Shanghai had this ability."

Sounds to me that the Chinese scenes might be the fulcrum of the movie in some way, possibly in character development for the duration of SKYFALL.

Maybe the locale carries the exoticism and danger that attracts Bond to the lifestyle he lived before his supposed death. His time here is what reminds him of who he is, and what he stands for.

[Pussfeller]

This makes me wonder if the phrase "Skyfall" will have a Chinese connection, a "mandate of heaven" resonance perhaps.

[ggl]

Yeah, it sounds like Bond will be reborn in some way during this part of the film.

Although, maybe his rebirth just amounts to him getting rid of the beard and becoming 'James Bond' again?

what you mean by Bond will be reborn?

Apparently, Bond is supposed to be death during part of the film... So, he has to be reborn at some time (let´s remember when he put his tuxedo in CR and became Bond... something like that, I think)

[thecasinoroyale]

I read that he is supposedly 'dead' or 'dies' during or before the PTS in Istanbul, so if that leads into the film itself and he has to 'come back' once certain events take place I'm not sure, but think this 'reborn' idea will come out soon.

[ggl]

Anyway, the idea of "reborn" was obviously in CR.

Is not too soon for another reborn? for another catharsis after the Vesper affair?

[thecasinoroyale]

Sorry ggl, I meant 'reborn' as in James Bond will come 'back to the service' after his 'death' in the film, if that rumour is true of course

[ggl]

Sorry ggl, I meant 'reborn' as in James Bond will come 'back to the service' after his 'death' in the film, if that rumour is true of course

I know and I agree with you.

Anyway I was linking that "reborn" with the supposed ending of the movie: top of Whitehall, the Union Jack, iconic image of Bond looking to the horizon... Does that means a new beginning for Bond 24? Again?...

[sharpshooter]

Anyway I was linking that "reborn" with the supposed ending of the movie: top of Whitehall, the Union Jack, iconic image of Bond looking to the horizon... Does that means a new beginning for Bond 24? Again?...

I think 'reborn' in the sense Dench M is gone, and somebody else will take her place. MI6 getting back on deck after the drama of Skyfall, where past actions came back to haunt people. Bond still ready to serve and recommits himself to the cause.

[ggl]

Anyway I was linking that "reborn" with the supposed ending of the movie: top of Whitehall, the Union Jack, iconic image of Bond looking to the horizon... Does that means a new beginning for Bond 24? Again?...

I think 'reborn' in the sense Dench M is gone, and somebody else will take her place. MI6 getting back on deck after the drama of Skyfall, where past actions came back to haunt people. Bond still ready to serve and recommits himself to the cause.

Yes, and all that could be quite coherent with... a new Bond in Bond 24.

I hope not, but this very personal mission will close an era and close the role of a very important character in the last films, so it will be quite interesting how Craig will do 24 or 25 with the new characters and then a new Bond emerges... again.

[thecasinoroyale]

I'm just wondering how established our Bond will be to being the BOND we know, and that's mainly from the production side of things, like will we hear the Bond music during exciting action sequences, will we have the "Bond, James Bond" intro and some womanising?

I think if these elements are included, then Bond can be BOND, and even evolve some more after the end of 'Skyfall'. Here's hoping, anyway!