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#541 David Schofield

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 03:59 PM

As a consumer of British television, I can confidently tell you that it does not have the wit or the intelligence to tackle the Saint.

Or money.


Possibly, Ian

And yet - and I come at this without any economic knowledge of British TV - it DOES manage to find the money for Hercule Poirot i.e. ITV sends David Suchet round the world, recreates perfect period sets and costumes, AND chucks in some very well known - and by implication, not cheap - co-stars.

Sadly, I think it's more than just money that restricts the Saint's appeal these days. B)

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 04:09 PM

The Mentalist plays close to Templar. I guess American Media knows how to make a show and promote the star. I can't see why it can't be done on Brit tv.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 06:43 PM

Ian,
I'm guessing the actor who was in negotiations to play ST about 6 months ago (who we believed to be Dougray Scott) is now out of the picture? Can you tell us if the new series is still in the works or is it currently a dead project?

Still very much in the works...

#544 Ian Dickerson

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 06:50 PM

Possibly, Ian

And yet - and I come at this without any economic knowledge of British TV - it DOES manage to find the money for Hercule Poirot i.e. ITV sends David Suchet round the world, recreates perfect period sets and costumes, AND chucks in some very well known - and by implication, not cheap - co-stars.

Sadly, I think it's more than just money that restricts the Saint's appeal these days. B)

Oh it is, definitely.

A few years ago a friend and I tried quite hard to get a Saint show off the ground--a period show, as true as we could make it to the original. We had a superb script and significant cast interest based on that script. We had some interesting and high high level meetings on the South Bank but the project failed partly because of cost--period drama is obviously more expensive--but also because the brand was still tainted by the Dutton series; one key ITV executive, who was involved in the commissioning of the Dutton series and still on the South Bank at the time, knocked it back simply based on the show's name.

Thank god he no longer works there.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 08:17 PM

Having read most of the Saint books (the first adult books I read)I thought Roger Moore was perfect in the role, but not as good as Bond. Ian Ogilvy was good, too, mainly because he was a lot like Moore. Maybe a period piece, set in the 30's,with Templar driving something like a Lagonda would work better than a contemporary version.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 09:30 PM

Ian,
I'm guessing the actor who was in negotiations to play ST about 6 months ago (who we believed to be Dougray Scott) is now out of the picture? Can you tell us if the new series is still in the works or is it currently a dead project?

Still very much in the works...


I guess a "no comment" on the casting then. B)

With the recent success of TV shows like Burn Notice, White Collar and Human Target, TV viewers might be more enthusiastic for a show like The Saint than they were several years ago. It seems like a good fit for the USA TV network.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 10:15 PM

As a consumer of British television, I can confidently tell you that it does not have the wit or the intelligence to tackle the Saint.

Or money.


Possibly, Ian

And yet - and I come at this without any economic knowledge of British TV - it DOES manage to find the money for Hercule Poirot i.e. ITV sends David Suchet round the world, recreates perfect period sets and costumes, AND chucks in some very well known - and by implication, not cheap - co-stars.


Comparatively, however, a lot of ITV's other endeavors appear to be made on a tighter budget. So apparently they've the money to make shiny things, but not a lot of shiny things, or they just funnel all the shiny money into projects like Poirot.

Also, agreed with what jaguar said above.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 12:16 AM

I'm sure if Ian could persuade either Simon Cowell or Peter Andre to play Simon Templar, ITV would find the money to fund it.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 05:43 AM

Simon Baker IS Simon Templar.

#550 Ian Dickerson

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 08:49 PM

Simon Baker IS Simon Templar.


That would be bloody brilliant, imho B)

Funnily enough between these two posts I watched the latest episode of The Mentalist and I'd have to disagree.

Yes, I know I'm opening myself up for potshots but so be it. The main reason I don't think he should be the Saint is simply because he's too good as The Mentalist and I wouldn't want that show to end.

But whilst he's certainly got a mischievous twinkle I'm just not convinced he's dashing enough or able to cope with the action required by the Saint--but I could be persuaded that's simply because I've only seen him in The Mentalist and that other show of his that was on Fiver where he played a lawyer, so I could be doing him an injustice.

Now Chris Vance on the other hand, I'd love to see him read for The Saint...

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:25 PM

I can't see why British TV is not taking an interest in developing the series. It might to do well.


As a consumer of British television, I can confidently tell you that it does not have the wit or the intelligence to tackle the Saint.



That's simply not true. To be honest I think British TV probably wants something more sophisticated than The Saint, or if they did it they'd want to add a new dimension to it. I enjoy The Saint, but there ain't much meat to it. I get the feeling that the new Sherlock Holmes series will show you that there's more to adapting the old classics than just 'laughing at the way we were'.
Probably the closest thing we've had to The Saint recently was the BBC version of the 39 Steps; which added a little more meat to the story but also kept the slight tongue-in-cheek of the book intact. It just wasn't as snappily directed as it needed to be. But there you had it: a period action adventure story starring a fair haired posh Englishman: that's as close to the Saint as you're likely to see on Brit TV any time soon I'd say! B)

As a consumer of British television, I can confidently tell you that it does not have the wit or the intelligence to tackle the Saint.

Or money.


And yet there's money enough to make other fairly big budget dramas like Dr Who, Merlin etc. I think it's more to do with the appeal of The Saint than a lack of money; British TV just doesn't throw money at any old thing.

The Mentalist plays close to Templar. I guess American Media knows how to make a show and promote the star. I can't see why it can't be done on Brit tv.


Yeah, you're right: The Mentalist is quite Saintly. He's quite a refreshing character in a way: he has that happiness that marks him out from every other gloomy maverick detective whilst also being utterly unSaintly in that he can't handle himself in a scrap at all and is really quite vulnerable!

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:08 PM

Now Chris Vance on the other hand, I'd love to see him read for The Saint...

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Templar was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw him on Burn Notice. He seems a good fit, is mature enough (38), and although everybody here in the UK will probably say "who?", he has the advantage of a profile in the US. I really hope he gets a shot.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 08:26 AM

I felt Chris Vance performance to be pretentious and quite unmanly. He was suppose to be threatening or devious which didn't get translated well. Templar should be confident and good looking. White Collar also relies on some cheap gags and FBI agent is seriously miscast!

Somehow, I am tired of seeing the lead star moaning the loss of partner or loved ones and using it as plot points. Dexter,24 and Burn Notice have been careful enough not over do the drama.

Even Clash Of The Titans new version the lead is always in a pensive mood where as the previous version had a more colorful and adventurous side.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

Ian,
I'm guessing the actor who was in negotiations to play ST about 6 months ago (who we believed to be Dougray Scott) is now out of the picture? Can you tell us if the new series is still in the works or is it currently a dead project?

Still very much in the works...

...and the lead, is he part of the works or has he been reworked?

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:12 PM

In all the years of my hagiography I've never been able to get a grip and quantify people's perception of the character. Sure a lot of people only assoicate Roger with the Saint, that's bound to happen. Same, in lesser quantities, for Ian and Val.

But one of possible leads for the new series, who's only 28, quoted "Charlie Charlemagne St Charles was wont to utter fearful snarls" with a fervor that not even I possess. Another TV exec (in American TV sadly) has an excellent knowledge of the early books and they were in their early 20s. Another exec, somewhat older, dismissed the Saint simply as a cat burglar.


I can definitely believe that's a big problem with getting a Saint series off the ground: different perceptions of the character. In my own experience, I've found that people in their twenties and early thirties mostly associate only the Kilmer movie with that name, even if it wasn't particularly a hit. "The Saint? Oh, he's a master of disguise, right?" That's what I get when I talk to friends about he show. I think it's cool that one of the actors was into Charteris, but honestly I can't believe that many people at all today think of the books for the simple reason that you can't get them. Sure, there are a few of us who have tracked them down in used bookstores or managed to snag those wonderful Best of compilations you put out in the few months they were available, but certainly not the majority of TV viewers. I'd posit that the majority of name recognition in key demographics is with Kilmer and Moore, with mostly only die-hard fans thinking of Charteris, Sanders, Price, etcetera--or even Ogilvy and Dutton. If the books were put back in print, and widely available once more (and marketed right I think such a reissue could succeed), then that might change things! But as much of a disadvantage as it may be that there isn't a solid consensus among potential viewers as to who the Saint is, surely it has its advangages as well? He's a blank slate to many, so as creators you should be free to pick and choose which elements from which versions make the cut...

#556 Ian Dickerson

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:40 PM

I can definitely believe that's a big problem with getting a Saint series off the ground: different perceptions of the character. In my own experience, I've found that people in their twenties and early thirties mostly associate only the Kilmer movie with that name, even if it wasn't particularly a hit. "The Saint? Oh, he's a master of disguise, right?" That's what I get when I talk to friends about he show. I think it's cool that one of the actors was into Charteris, but honestly I can't believe that many people at all today think of the books for the simple reason that you can't get them. Sure, there are a few of us who have tracked them down in used bookstores or managed to snag those wonderful Best of compilations you put out in the few months they were available, but certainly not the majority of TV viewers. I'd posit that the majority of name recognition in key demographics is with Kilmer and Moore, with mostly only die-hard fans thinking of Charteris, Sanders, Price, etcetera--or even Ogilvy and Dutton. If the books were put back in print, and widely available once more (and marketed right I think such a reissue could succeed), then that might change things! But as much of a disadvantage as it may be that there isn't a solid consensus among potential viewers as to who the Saint is, surely it has its advangages as well? He's a blank slate to many, so as creators you should be free to pick and choose which elements from which versions make the cut...

Oh I agree with you to some degree. It may well be that the folks who know the Saint from anything other Kilmer and Moore are the exception, it's just that there seems to be an awful lot of them. And I'm sure that for every person who knows the Saint's origins there's some high powered twit who thinks he's just a cat-burglar (you can tell that TV exec got to me can't you?!)

The issue with the books though is very much chicken and egg. No decent-sized publisher--who are the ones with the necessary route to market to enable an improvement in the Saint's profile--will touch the books without a TV show to hang them on.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:33 AM

Hmm, and following the pointed silence after my last question, I would posit (cheers Brisco) that DS Has been reworked.

But appreciate the need to stay the flow of frustrating (non)news.

#558 Ian Dickerson

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 03:46 PM

Hmm, and following the pointed silence after my last question, I would posit (cheers Brisco) that DS Has been reworked.

But appreciate the need to stay the flow of frustrating (non)news.

All I will say is that discussions are ongoing...

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 07:55 PM

Oh I agree with you to some degree. It may well be that the folks who know the Saint from anything other Kilmer and Moore are the exception, it's just that there seems to be an awful lot of them. And I'm sure that for every person who knows the Saint's origins there's some high powered twit who thinks he's just a cat-burglar (you can tell that TV exec got to me can't you?!)

The issue with the books though is very much chicken and egg. No decent-sized publisher--who are the ones with the necessary route to market to enable an improvement in the Saint's profile--will touch the books without a TV show to hang them on.


Yes, that cat burglar exec sounds infuriating! Sorry to hear about him. (Or her.)

I guess that makes sense about the books given the terrible state of the publishing industry. It's so frustrating! I'm sure I'm stating the obvious here (and perhaps it's even been covered previously in this thread, though I can't recall it), but have you pursued any comic book publishers? Comics seem like the quickest route to Hollywood these days, and a number of publishers specialize in licensed properties. A new Saint comic could be a good (and relatively cheap, compared to reprinting the books or launching a new TV series) way to raise the character's profile and a good marketing tool in getting the show off the ground... which would hopefully lead back to the books being reprinted! :tdown: It was a comic book (so shamelessly used as a marketing tool that it never even ended up being published!) that led to Sherlock Holmes being revived on the big screen...

And, Simon, I'd say your posit sounds probable. B)

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:59 AM

B)

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:28 PM

Hmmm...on his Facebook page Burl Barer recently asked "Who should play the Saint in the new TV series?".

Whatever could that mean?

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:28 PM

Hmmm...on his Facebook page Burl Barer recently asked "Who should play the Saint in the new TV series?".

Whatever could that mean?

Ian


Gee, we'd all sure like to hear YOUR opinion of what it could mean, Ian! B)

At any rate, I'm glad that Burl is keeping the speculation alive! And as to his question... Well, if the job is open again, I say check with James Purefoy and see if his schedule has opened up any since the last time! He's still my top choice for the role...

OR, alternatively... since all sorts of big film actors like Dustin Hoffman and Nick Nolte and Glenn Close and others are now doing TV, maybe--just MAYBE--go with an older Simon and see if Pierce Brosnan can be lured back to television! (Longshot, I know.)

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:59 PM

If any South American fan is interested, I saw a The Saint DVD in my country. It was AR$ 40 the single disc edition.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 11:29 PM

] top choice for the role...

OR, alternatively... since all sorts of big film actors like Dustin Hoffman and Nick Nolte and Glenn Close and others are now doing TV, maybe--just MAYBE--go with an older Simon and see if Pierce Brosnan can be lured back to television! (Longshot, I know.)


Nope. That time has passed. I don't really want to see a 60 year old Simon Templar (or 75 year old Simon Templar by the time they actually get this off the ground). There are plenty of good actors in the 30-45 age range that could do a great Saint.

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 02:39 PM

] top choice for the role...

OR, alternatively... since all sorts of big film actors like Dustin Hoffman and Nick Nolte and Glenn Close and others are now doing TV, maybe--just MAYBE--go with an older Simon and see if Pierce Brosnan can be lured back to television! (Longshot, I know.)


Nope. That time has passed. I don't really want to see a 60 year old Simon Templar (or 75 year old Simon Templar by the time they actually get this off the ground). There are plenty of good actors in the 30-45 age range that could do a great Saint.


Agreed. Hopefully we have some further news on this project soon. I have really been looking forward to it happening!!

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 10:05 PM

] top choice for the role...

OR, alternatively... since all sorts of big film actors like Dustin Hoffman and Nick Nolte and Glenn Close and others are now doing TV, maybe--just MAYBE--go with an older Simon and see if Pierce Brosnan can be lured back to television! (Longshot, I know.)


Nope. That time has passed. I don't really want to see a 60 year old Simon Templar (or 75 year old Simon Templar by the time they actually get this off the ground). There are plenty of good actors in the 30-45 age range that could do a great Saint.


Agreed. Hopefully we have some further news on this project soon. I have really been looking forward to it happening!!


Hey, it wouldn't be my TOP choice (as I said, that's Purefoy) - and it's about as likely as Tarantino directing the next Bond - but I wouldn't REBEL at the notion, either. Overall, though, I'm not in favor of making Simon older. I just wouldn't mind an exception for that one particular actor. B)

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:18 AM

Please forgive the self-promotion but you'll be able to find out what's been keeping the Saint from TV screens by pre-ordering The Saint on TV from here:

http://www.hirstbook...television.html

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:05 AM

The Saint on TV reveals, for the first time, how plans were for David Niven to be the first TV Saint, in a show written and directed by the Saint’s creator, Leslie Charteris and reveals just who was being lined up to play Simone Templar.


Simone, eh? No wonder it's taken a while to find the right woman to play the Saint! B)

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:52 PM

Please forgive the self-promotion but you'll be able to find out what's been keeping the Saint from TV screens by pre-ordering The Saint on TV from here:

http://www.hirstbook...television.html

Ian


Glad to support a fellow CBN member. I tried ordering it but they seem to be updating their webshop at the moment so it is not showing yet. I've bookmarked the page and will return to it from time to time until it is available.

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 06:32 AM

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To help test it, I'm offering a 10% discount for June 17th only, on all purchases of all books. Please note that this is a temporary address - in a couple of days it will change to www.hirstpublishing.com

Please tell your friends. and spread the word To claim the discount they need to enter the voucher code FB1 at checkout.