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[Ian Dickerson]

Love to know how Dougray is a more viable "star" than Penry-Jones from Spooks (MI5). That series was shown in the US and went down well.
How does the the US market know Dougray?

Primarily MI2 and Desperate Housewives for Mr Scott.

And that'll be the Penry-Jones who tried to crack American TV but got dumped from The Forgotten because he was deemed wholly unsuitable for a US series lead?

Ian

[marktmurphy]

Love to know how Dougray is a more viable "star" than Penry-Jones from Spooks (MI5). That series was shown in the US and went down well.
How does the the US market know Dougray?

Primarily MI2 and Desperate Housewives for Mr Scott.

And that'll be the Penry-Jones who tried to crack American TV but got dumped from The Forgotten because he was deemed wholly unsuitable for a US series lead?

Ian

Has there been a reason given for that? I thought there had been a bit of a series of these dumping-UK-actors-after-pilots and the talk had been that the networks had been getting in Brits to do the pilots because they're cheaper and then hiring bigger names if the series was commissioned.
I don't think Penry Jones is quite strong enough (he didn't really make an impact as Hannay) but I don't know who's said he was deemed unsuitable to be seen on US telly.

I am very much hoping that's a hint above that it's not Scott, though! He really is very dull and lacking in charm.

[danslittlefinger]

Love to know how Dougray is a more viable "star" than Penry-Jones from Spooks (MI5). That series was shown in the US and went down well.
How does the the US market know Dougray?

Primarily MI2 and Desperate Housewives for Mr Scott.

And that'll be the Penry-Jones who tried to crack American TV but got dumped from The Forgotten because he was deemed wholly unsuitable for a US series lead?

Ian

Has there been a reason given for that? I thought there had been a bit of a series of these dumping-UK-actors-after-pilots and the talk had been that the networks had been getting in Brits to do the pilots because they're cheaper and then hiring bigger names if the series was commissioned.
I don't think Penry Jones is quite strong enough (he didn't really make an impact as Hannay) but I don't know who's said he was deemed unsuitable to be seen on US telly.

I am very much hoping that's a hint above that it's not Scott, though! He really is very dull and lacking in charm.

Yes, love to know that too as well as why Joe Fiennes is ironically, getting away with Flash Forward (another story I guess).
What makes a Brit actor "suitable" to the US markets anyway, past "successes" and that's it? Has to be more and I hope it is.
Craig was hardly a big name in the US and look what EoN did with him.

[Ian Dickerson]

I don't think Penry Jones is quite strong enough (he didn't really make an impact as Hannay) but I don't know who's said he was deemed unsuitable to be seen on US telly.

I was told it by an ABC exec. Now of course I'm not necessarily taking what he says as gospel but I do think Penry-Jones is limited as an actor and I don't think he could carry a series solo, such as The Saint would demand.

Ian

[danslittlefinger]

I don't think Penry Jones is quite strong enough (he didn't really make an impact as Hannay) but I don't know who's said he was deemed unsuitable to be seen on US telly.

I was told it by an ABC exec. Now of course I'm not necessarily taking what he says as gospel but I do think Penry-Jones is limited as an actor and I don't think he could carry a series solo, such as The Saint would demand.

Ian

I think Scott is limited as an actor regardless of his American resume and "visibility".
But what do I know?

[jaguar007]

I have never heard of Penry-Jones (I have heard of Henry Jones ) but I am familiar with Scott. From what I have seen of him, I think he would be an acceptable Templar, just not an inspired Templar.

[Tybre]

I've heard of Penry-Jones, but I barely remember him. Left zero impression between Casanova, an episode of Poirot, and the about half season I've seen of Spooks. The man's not bad, he just lacks sizzle. Wait, I think I used the wrong word there...

[jaguar007]

The man's not bad, he just lacks sizzle. Wait, I think I used the wrong word there...

[danslittlefinger]

The man's not bad, he just lacks sizzle. Wait, I think I used the wrong word there...

BACON!!!!

oh well this must be indicative of Scott.

[Tybre]

The man's not bad, he just lacks sizzle. Wait, I think I used the wrong word there...

BACON!!!!

oh well this must be indicative of Scott.

Thank you, good sir, I now have the best eleven minutes of my night at my fingertips

[marktmurphy]

I don't think Penry Jones is quite strong enough (he didn't really make an impact as Hannay) but I don't know who's said he was deemed unsuitable to be seen on US telly.

I was told it by an ABC exec.

Fair enough; although I suppose, as you say, it may not be gospel if they are doing it to save costs. But there's not much proof for that so I wouldn't say for sure he wasn't telling the truth.

Now of course I'm not necessarily taking what he says as gospel but I do think Penry-Jones is limited as an actor and I don't think he could carry a series solo, such as The Saint would demand.

Ian

Yeah, I do agree. He's got the right look for The Saint but he doesn't show much spark. I had a lot of hope for The 39 Steps but he didn't really do anything at all in the lead. Hardly Robert Donat: even Robert Powell wiped the floor with him. I liked him in that Ripper thing on ITV, though, but that was a bit more of an ensemble thing.
He wouldn't be my first choice for Templar anyway.

[Tybre]

Wikipedia makes mention of a "Winter for the Saint" starring Kevin Lucero Less. Googling and such turns up posifraktively nothing, and thus more or less my suspicions it is simple fan-wankery, but I figured I would inquire here as to its existence.

Also, on unrelated note, having watched New Town Killers yesterday afternoon, am further forced to question the anti-Scott stance. Thought the man was very good. Sure, not charming, but a role like that doesn't call for charm. Will probably watch something else with Scott in the near future, although now Ian is saying it may not be Dougray, so we'll see.

[Dekard77]

So Dougray Scott is out???????

[jaguar007]

So Dougray Scott is out???????

He may never had been in, it was our assumption based on what Ian said that Scott was the choice.

[Dekard77]

My god how confusing, thanks Jag. Now who is the front runner??

[Tybre]

So Dougray Scott is out???????

He may never had been in, it was our assumption based on what Ian said that Scott was the choice.

Well Ian's statement doesn't definitely state Scott is out either, though. Maybe Scott was considered and bowed out or passed over. Maybe it was never Scott at all. Or maybe Scott's still in. We shan't know...

Also turns out Purefoy was in the Granada version of the Boscombe Valley Mystery I watched last night. Early in his career, so I judged him kindly, but honestly found him a bit mediocre and whenever he had to go to emotional extremes (such as when he breaks down crying by his father's corpse) he is very plainly faking. Genuinely hope his acting has improved, but then he's out of the running anyway, so it's a bit moot.

[marktmurphy]

Well it's doubtful anyone playing the Saint would have to go emotional extremes anyway!

[jaguar007]

I still think it is probably Scott. I think Ian is just trying to throw us a curve.

[Dekard77]

Hmmm ok, I was watching Mi2 recently and Scott made a terrific villain, he really did have the best lines in the movie. Corny as he may have been he was one interesting villain.

[Dekard77]

[scaramunga]

Any news on the new Saint cable movie?

Has there been any further casting? A director?


I would really like to see The Saint and Return of the Saint issued on blu ray here in the US. I would also like to see the 1997 film issued on blu ray too with the alternate ending.

[Ian Dickerson]

Any news on the new Saint cable movie?

Has there been any further casting? A director?

I would really like to see The Saint and Return of the Saint issued on blu ray here in the US. I would also like to see the 1997 film issued on blu ray too with the alternate ending.

The director has long been confirmed as Tj Scott, casting is currently underway.

Ian

[jaguar007]

IS the actor slated to play Templar for the last few months still in negotiations or are they now looking for a new Saint?

[TheSaint]

I would really like to see The Saint and Return of the Saint issued on blu ray here in the US. I would also like to see the 1997 film issued on blu ray too with the alternate ending.

Considering the fact that ROTS isn't available on regular dvd here in the states don't hold your breath for a Blu-ray. I can see Network eventually releasing The Saint on Blu-Ray in the UK. As for the Kilmer film, Paramount will slip that out at some point.

[Ian Dickerson]

IS the actor slated to play Templar for the last few months still in negotiations or are they now looking for a new Saint?

I do believe that negotiations with the gentleman concerned have finished.

Ian

[Simon]

Successfully?

Or not?

[avl]

Good job I wasn't holding my breath...

[jaguar007]

Good job I wasn't holding my breath...

I'm turning blue. I guess there is still a possibility this could develop, but my gut is sadly telling me this attempt may end up just like every other attempt in the last decade to bring The Saint back to TV.

[TheSaint]

I'm beginning to feel the same way too. Good thing us Saint fans are accustomed to such things.

[Bond Bombshell]

I'm still keeping the faith but it's getting difficult. Perhaps Ian would be so kind as to let us know the latest.

I caught 38 year old Brit actor Chris Vance (Prison Break, Mental) on TV the other day and thought that he might make a good Templar. Here he is having fun camping it up on Burn Notice.