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[blueman]

Why are some seemingly so eager to prove QOS is getting bad word of mouth??? It opened huge, give it a rest!

[jaguar007]

If the producers and distributors thought this movie would take a lot more money against the Summer competition, I think they would be releasing Bond movies in the Summer.

They originally planned to open QoS in May, but the director they were working with (Roger Michell) bowed out of the film so they had to movie the date to November to get time to find a new director.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

When I went Sunday, the crowd was bigger than it had been Friday and Saturday.

Even if it only did the 67 million, that's still more than CR did when it opened so that's not bad.

[dinovelvet]

Yesterday's box office :
http://www.boxoffice...?...1-16&p=.htm
EVERY film in the top ten sees significant dropoffs on Sunday, all over 40% (QOS actually having one of the smaller dropoffs), because kids/teens have to go to school the next day. Sunday evening screenings in the fall/winter are no different to any other weeknight, and that's the major difference between how QOS and Bourne fared over their opening weekends.

All those other movies INCREASED on the Saturday by a big margin, but Bond dropped, so the fall from Friday to Sunday was not comparable to Quantum.

By an extraordinary coincidence, no other movie in the top ten had early screenings on Thur/Fri midnight which boosted their Friday numbers beyond the 'normal' take. If you discount the estimated $2.5 million that QOS took in on Friday midnight screenings, then you see an increase from Fri-Sat. But all this is irrelevant anyway. Its the nature of films with a built-in audience and high level of anticipation that the first day is always huge and front loaded. The Dark Knight performed in the same way, with a drop in business on Saturday. Does that mean that film had poor word of mouth? Not at all.

Look at the Bourne movies and the recent Bonds. Quantum is performing very badly in comparison to all of them. It is too early to say for certain this is a trend for Quantum, but the drop is so huge it looks like it is suffering from poor word of mouth. If tomorrow's figures are as bad, look for Bond to drop its number one slot next weekend.

Again, Bourne = summer, Bond = fall. The day-today comparison just doesn't work, and can't prove anything. Bourne was also playing in 250 more theatres than Bond, btw.

It will drop its number one slot next weekend, because Twilight will take it, regardless of how good or bad QOS performs. If QOS sees a drop in business of 60%, then you can be justified in claiming it has poor word of mouth. Until then, any claims that Americans hate QOS are just not valid.

Why are some seemingly so eager to prove QOS is getting bad word of mouth??? It opened huge, give it a rest!

Beats me. Here we have a Bond film that's made $318 million worldwide in 17 days, has seen huge business everywhere it has played, and is on course to be at least the 4th biggest Bond of all time, and be the biggest film of the year, excluding the US, yet some people just can't be pleased at success.

[DR76]

Americans do not like this movie.

WTF?????? I didn't realize you were aware of the taste of movies for every living American in existence. How perceptive of you. Not.


I'm an American. Granted, "QoS" has its flaws, I still managed to enjoy it very much. Where do you get off making an assumption like that?


"CASINO ROYALE" was never the number one movie at the U.S. box office, two years ago. "HAPPY FEET" continually beat it during its entire U.S. run. Yet, it managed to be successful in the U.S.

Even if "TWILIGHT" manages to beat "QUANTUM OF SOLACE" next weekend (which it will), there is still a chance for the Bond movie to be a success, here in America.

Edited by DR76, 18 November 2008 - 04:54 AM.

[tdalton]

Even if "TWILIGHT" manages to beat "QUANTUM OF SOLACE" next weekend (which it will), there is still a chance for the Bond movie to be a success, here in America.

Agreed. I do think that Quantum of Solace will continue its successful run next week and not have a huge dropoff at the box office, but it will finish second next week to Twilight, and possibly by a good margin.

[Kristian]

Quantum is doing VERY BADLY in north America.

1. Stop EXAGGERATING. As someone more intelligent than you said, "if $67.5 million is doing BADLY, then gimme some of that." The studio was expecting this film to open at $60 million. Explain then how beating that estimate by $7.5 million is a bad thing.

2. Are you even a Bond fan? Doesn't seem like it from the way you seem to be spinning everything into a negative with pleasure that borders on disgusting. Go post on the BOURNE website if you're so in awe of its performance.

Go ahead. Launch your response. I am already laughing at it.

Edited by Kristian, 18 November 2008 - 06:17 AM.

[Jim]

Quantum is doing VERY BADLY in north America

There seems to be a lot of perverse glee going on here.

People may be impossibly hard to satisfy if this is "badly". I fear you may be setting your standards unrealistically high.

Surely one would wish the film to be a success, if only so that one has another one to moan about in a few years time? Which is, of course, the only reason they make the films.

Whatever the final figure is, it's a sod of a lot of money. None of it's ours.

[Bonita]

Why not try this?

Predictions for the film's US gross next weekend - Nov. 21-23, 2008:

What are your numbers?

For reference, CR did $30.785 mil, a drop of 24.6%.

DAD did $31 mil, a drop of 34%

Bourne Supremacy did $24 mil, drop of 54%

Bourne Ultimatum did $32,879 mil, a drop of $52.5%

So, prognosticators...what do you say for QoS?

keep dancing...

[SecretAgentFan]

And keep in mind when all those films were released and with which competing films. Also, the weather is a factor. And this little thing called economy.

[Elvenstar]

As 4 Quantum US performance I expect it to be near 200 mil but I prefer being realistic and prepared 4 the worst but hoping for the best. I didn't expect Qos to be even near Bourne at US BO but I was proven wrong.
Qos is not as well received as CR 4 sure but I think the success means beating CR numbers. As 4 Bourne BO comparisons "Do I look like I give a damn?"

[Col. Sun]

[quote name='Bond Bug'


All those other movies INCREASED on the Saturday by a big margin, but Bond dropped, so the fall from Friday to Sunday was not comparable to Quantum. Look at the Bourne movies and the recent Bonds. Quantum is performing very badly in comparison to all of them. It is too early to say for certain this is a trend for Quantum, but the drop is so huge it looks like it is suffering from poor word of mouth. If tomorrow's figures are as bad, look for Bond to drop its number one slot next weekend.
[/quote]

Er! What on earth are you talking about?

"Quantum is performing very badly...." Are you a total fantasist? QOS is making a fortune; it's there in black and white!

So what if there's a drop off! Even with the drop off it's still making a ton! Just under $70 million in one weekend in the US and international figures through the roof!

Get REAL mate!

[BoogieBond]

Yes, I think the 2nd week we will see.
I think CR got 40 mill in its first weekend and about 30 mill in its second. Along with the takings during the 2nd week bought it up to 95 mill. It had good legs, due to good word of mouth and reviews. We will see what happens with Qos. I am thinking a 2nd weekend total of 35 mill would be nice, along with the weeks take would take it to above 120 mill hopefully. I think beating CRs 167 mill is the target, not any Bourne comparisons.

[Qwerty]

'Quantum of Solace' Debut US Weekend Total Updated: $67.5 Million

New total is slightly less than earlier estimated $70.4 million

[dinovelvet]

Why not try this?
Predictions for the film's US gross next weekend - Nov. 21-23, 2008:

What are your numbers?

For reference, CR did $30.785 mil, a drop of 24.6%.

DAD did $31 mil, a drop of 34%

Difficult to judge compared to the two previous Bonds, because both CR and DAD had the 5 day Thanksgiving holiday period for their second weekend, so both their second weekends are going to automatically be better than QOS, which has got Thanksgiving on its third weekend instead. I guess the best comparison will be how much they've all made after Thanksgiving is over.

[Qwerty]

UPDATED...

'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details

CommanderBond.net rounds up all the latest details (Updated Weekly)

[Loomis]

Oh, dear, a total box office turkey.

"Bomb, James Bomb", eh, lads?

Once again, American viewers have shunned 007. You'd think Eon would have learned by now.

So I guess we're looking at another six-year gap (at least), as with the stretch between LICENCE TO KILL and GOLDENEYE.

Cheers then, Dan.

Time, perhaps, to resurrect those "Who will be the next Bond?" threads. I reckon Eon will hire Hugh Jackman or Clive Owen - someone the public wanted in the first place - for BOND 23 a few years from now.

[blueman]

According to this BoxOfficeMojo article, CR was at $195.6 million in overseas grosses at this point in its run, while QoS is at $251.6 million. That's over 28% better, which would translate to about $550 million for QoS (CR made just under $430 million) if the ratio holds throughout its run.

Granted, it probably won't, given that QoS looks to be much more front-loaded than CR and the WOM is "just" good, as opposed to great, but it definitely seems more than likely to at least match its predecessor. Throw in a better performance in the US, and I think $650 million worldwide is a safe bet with $700 million well within the realm of possibility.

Who's saying WOM is so-so and where are they getting that from? I'm telling people it's fantastic, haven't bumped into anybody who's seen it yet who wasn't thrilled by it. Very curious.

[Loomis]

Twilight should do good biz, but not as big as Bond and won't have near the legs. Just a hunch.

I fear that when it opens in USA, it may push Bond into the number two position, but those Quantum figures so far are incredible. I see this easily outgrossing Casino in USA, UK and worldwide.

Even if it does, won't be as embarrassing as penguins! Vampires (even teeny-bopper ones) I deal with. And agree that it may well top CR's numbers. (did I use every smiley yet?)

It seems to have already been decided that TWILIGHT will be a megahit. I'm not sure who precisely decides these things or how, but it does appear to have been decided.

First penguins, then vampires. Guess next time round 007 will be trounced by ghosts or pixies or something.

Goodbye, Meester Bond!

[BoogieBond]

Box office "Disarstar"
600 mill must be the target, that CR set. I think that what QOS will be going for. The next couple of weeks will see whether that can be achieved, but its looking good.

[Publius]

Who's saying WOM is so-so and where are they getting that from? I'm telling people it's fantastic, haven't bumped into anybody who's seen it yet who wasn't thrilled by it. Very curious.

Oh, I agree, which is why I said WOM is "just" good. CR, however, did seem to have even greater (unusually great) WOM. I'm with you in thinking QoS is the better film, but that doesn't seem to be the consensus unfortunately.

That said, the consensus also isn't that it's a bad film (this seems to be much more popular with ordinary moviegoers than with critics, which is the inverse of CR), as some anti-QoS partisans around here and elsewhere on the interwebs would have you believe. We've seen this spin-dancing before from the CnB crowd.

[Publius]

For all we know, the Sunday drop-off being slightly more than usual (which it probably isn't anyway) could simply be statistical noise. Maybe demand was so pent-up that it was bound to be disproportionately front-loaded even within its opening weekend, just like it's bound to be front-loaded overall. Hell, The Dark Knight has an OW-to-total multiplier of just over 3.3, whereas it was 3.4 for Die Another Day and 4.1 for Casino Royale!

Anyway, get back to me when we know how much it made in a month compared to CR or the Brosnan Bond movies. All this micro-analysis can't be healthy. Does WOM even get around that fast from Friday evening to Sunday, and in what part of the world does a consensus of "good, but not as great as the last one" even count as bad WOM?

Come off it! There is no way of proving that statement. If the producers and distributors thought this movie would take a lot more money against the Summer competition, I think they would be releasing Bond movies in the Summer.

They originally were going to release it in (early) summer, but pushed it back to the usual Bond release date when talks with Roger Michell about taking the director's helm fell through.

"CASINO ROYALE" was never the number one movie at the U.S. box office, two years ago. "HAPPY FEET" continually beat it during its entire U.S. run. Yet, it managed to be successful in the U.S.

Exactly. The benchmark can be made whatever you want it to be if you're really intent on "proving" that people don't like it.

Whatever the final figure is, it's a sod of a lot of money. None of it's ours.

$20 of it is mine! Err, at least it was.

[madler007]

On Monday Sony & Eon Productions were so excited & responded with a throw it in you face to Bourne because it beat Bourne 3 $69Mil Us opening. Well karma came back a day later & Bourne 3 now beat QoS on its opening weekend. This hurts. Still a great opening. I do not see huge staying power from here on in. It will come in 3rd to Twilight & Bolt & continue to drop. I am still hoping for a $200 Mil run threw New Years.

[Bond Bug]

The Monday figure USA 5 million less than Bourne Ultimatums's first Monday.

It is well less than half of Bourne Ultimatum.

It is only a couple of hundred thousand dollars more than Casino's Monday.

Forget 200m USA

It will struggle to catch up with Die another Day's total of 160m.

Americans HATE Quantum. It is legless.

[Matt_13]

Not the Americans I've spoken to.

[[dark]]

Americans HATE Quantum.

What an absurd generalisation.

[dinovelvet]

The Monday figure USA 5 million less than Bourne Ultimatums's first Monday.

It is well less than half of Bourne Ultimatum.

How many ing times does this have to be explained to you?

Bourne came out in summer. KIDS AND TEENS DON'T GO TO SCHOOL ON SUMMER WEEKDAYS, SO BOX OFFICE IS UP.

Bond comes out in winter. KIDS AND TEENS DO HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL ON WINTER WEEEKDAYS, SO BOX OFFICE IS DOWN.

The comparison is meaningless and proves absolutely nothing about what audiences like and don't like.

[bondrules]

The comparison is meaningless and proves absolutely nothing about what audiences like and don't like.

Indeed. It's pointless.

[Bond Bug]

Americans HATE Quantum.

What an absurd generalisation.

Sorry. I will reword it into a more politically correct form.

The rapidly diminishing box office figures in North America demonstrate that Quantum of Solace is not as popular as the opening day suggested. The movie will soon be taking less than Casino Royale, on an equivalent daily basis. This is despite Quantum taking substantially more on its opening. The logical conclusion is that enthusiasm for the movie is restricted and not as widespread as would have been hoped.

The Monday figure USA 5 million less than Bourne Ultimatums's first Monday.

It is well less than half of Bourne Ultimatum.

How many ing times does this have to be explained to you?

Bourne came out in summer. KIDS AND TEENS DON'T GO TO SCHOOL ON SUMMER WEEKDAYS, SO BOX OFFICE IS UP.

Bond comes out in winter. KIDS AND TEENS DO HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL ON WINTER WEEEKDAYS, SO BOX OFFICE IS DOWN.

The comparison is meaningless and proves absolutely nothing about what audiences like and don't like.

No need to shoot the messenger.

Casino Royale was a November opening. Of course it means something when the movie opens getting on for double Casino on its first day and by the first week it is falling behind Casino. It means the movie is not being well received by audiences.

[bondrules]

I don't understand why Bond Bug wants QoS to do poorly at the B.O