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[doublenoughtspy]

Looks like German admissions rank thus:

1GoldenEye
2Casino Royale
3TWINE
4DAD
5TND

I guess that kills Loomis' theory that only 5 people saw Goldeneye, and 2 of those stumbled in by accident.

[Loomis]

Huh? My theory? When did I say that? I've always been a huge GOLDENEYE fan.



Source, please, DNS (unless I'm gonna be embarrassed by something I've long forgotten writing, in which case don't bother ).

Pretty sure I never wrote any such thing, though.

[doublenoughtspy]

Huh? My theory? When did I say that? I've always been a huge GOLDENEYE fan.



Source, please, DNS (unless I'm gonna be embarrassed by something I've long forgotten writing, in which case don't bother ).

Pretty sure I never wrote any such thing, though.

The thread on memorable/iconic moments from the Brosnan era. You kept claiming that it was a movie few people remembered and not that many saw.

I am exaggerating slightly (that never happens on CBn) but we did come to an agreement that Goldeneye was bigger in the states than in the UK. I am fascinated that it was a monster hit in Germany as well.

[Loomis]

Huh? My theory? When did I say that? I've always been a huge GOLDENEYE fan.



Source, please, DNS (unless I'm gonna be embarrassed by something I've long forgotten writing, in which case don't bother ).

Pretty sure I never wrote any such thing, though.

The thread on memorable/iconic moments from the Brosnan era. You kept claiming that it was a movie few people remembered and not that many saw.

I am exaggerating slightly (that never happens on CBn) but we did come to an agreement that Goldeneye was bigger in the states than in the UK. I am fascinated that it was a monster hit in Germany as well.

Ah, yes, I remember that. Well, I still stand by the point I was (if memory serves) trying to make, which is that there are no iconic moments worthy of the name in GOLDENEYE. Or in most Bond flicks, come to that. My point was not that no one saw GOLDENEYE.

Bigger in the States than in Britain? Perhaps, but then again GOLDENEYE was huge in the United Kingdom. Trust me, I was there.

ETA: Hang on. The thing we agreed on, I believe, was not that GOLDENEYE was a bigger hit in America, but that Brosnan was a more popular Bond in the States than Craig (sorry, Cregg ).

[stromberg]

Thanks again...These numbers are very helpfull and indicate that Bond was in decline all through the 1980s...and not only in the US. The numbers, however, contradict the other ones because it says CR has more admissions than GoldenEye. Perhaps there is a typo with the GoldenEye number here?

As I said, the numbers on the table I linked to are only for the first 10 weeks. The ones I listed are final numbers.

[HildebrandRarity]

Thanks again...These numbers are very helpfull and indicate that Bond was in decline all through the 1980s...and not only in the US. The numbers, however, contradict the other ones because it says CR has more admissions than GoldenEye. Perhaps there is a typo with the GoldenEye number here?

As I said, the numbers on the table I linked to are only for the first 10 weeks. The ones I listed are final numbers.

Perfect! And thanks once again.

[Invincible1958]

... any idea about German admissions going back all the way to Dr No?

Here: http://www.insidekin...Sequels2008.htm

Admissions

DN 8.0 million
FRWL 8.0 million
GF 11.0 million
TB 12.0 million
YOLT 9.0 million
OHMSS 4.0 million
DAF 5.5 million
LALD 6.0 million
TMWTGG 4.5 million
TSWLM 7.2 million
MR 5.3 million
FYEO 4.820.641
OP 4.324.692
AVTAK 3.373.064
TLD 3.106.367
LTK 2.472.732
GE 5.501.310
TND 4.477.102
TWINE 5.072.138
DAD 4.940.201
CR 5.456.165
QOS 4.3 million (until december 7th estimated)

to explain: a movie with 3 million admissions and more is considered a blockbuster in Germany.

[BoogieBond]

Domestic actuals as at 7th Dec look a little higher than estimates

Domestic: $151,620,134($6,752,390)
International: $357,675,533
Worldwide: $509,295,667
With still Japan to come even a low estimate of 540-560 mill Worldwide will hopefully be achieved. Hoping for more as per YOLT's optimism to make it up to a high range of 570-590 mill at the end of its run.

[Qwerty]

Updated...

'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details

CommanderBond.net rounds up all the latest details (Updated Weekly)

[DamnCoffee]

This will surpass Casino Royale, I'm sure of it.

[HildebrandRarity]

I noted on one site that there has been NO INCREASE in ticket prices between 2007 and 2008.

The fact is that America has (officially) been in an economic recession for the entire year and has been experiencing DEFLATION (not inflation) since the summer.

So ticket prices remaining capped in 2008 mirrors other years of recessions where ticket prices either stayed the same or even went down.

If so, CR's "adjusted" box office would be ~ US$175 million and Craig matching that amount with Q0S would be a huge win given that Moore, Dalton and Brosnan all went down after "adjusting" for prices from their first Bond to their second one.

$509 million world-wide given all the adverse currency movements ain't too shabby with Christmas and New Years holidays still to come and Japan still to open at the end of January.

The movie, after all, has only been out an average of five weeks. And blockbusters don't get pulled until at least 11 or 12 weeks have passed. Christmas/New Years should get it to Casino Royale territory.

[HildebrandRarity]

I read somewhere that China keeps about 87% of the take for itself, can anyone confirm this?

ing Commies!

They need the extra dough to pay for the diplomatic class to keep up appearences by staying in fancy mansions around the world while the rest of 'em eat xxxxxxx and xxxx and tend to their xxxx in xxxx xxxxxxx. (Edited)

[HildebrandRarity]

Ok, I guess you confirmed it

No I didn't.

[jaguar007]

So what if it does make a little less than CR? Does that mean it is a failure? Regardless, it is still a hit and will ensure that there will be another Bond adventure soon and that Craig is popular enough that he won't become the next Timothy Dalton (no offence meant to Dalton, I am a huge fan).

[MrKidd]

To quote Mojo again...

Falling to second place after a five-week reign, Quantum of Solace grossed $10.5 million from 64 markets, including one opening in Venezuela (a chart-topping $416,109). With just Japan and Uruguay on the horizon and $358 million in the till, Quantum might not pass Casino Royale's $426.8 million total, due to steep drop-off rates. However, it set a James Bond record in China with $20.2 million, a good sign for the franchise's future as the market continues to grow.

QoS needs another $69m to meet/beat the CR Intermational box-office. That $10.5m from 64 markets might fall to about $5m-6m this weekend. With a possible Japan take of maybe $19-20m, I'm still thinking $400m International is a very tall order right now.

Box office mojo is a great site for getting the numbers but the analysis can sometimes be a bit off. For instance, the point you've highlighted is far too simplistic - it is completely ignoring the exchange rate differences between then and now. All things being equal in FX rates and QoS would actually be ahead of CR by a substantial amount. So while the point made may be true in itself, it is used incorrectly in explaining the BO differentials. Point of fact - not opinion.

Edited by MrKidd, 11 December 2008 - 02:48 AM.

[HildebrandRarity]

The intellectual dishonestly in this thread by those who don't like the movie is just mind-boggling.

How many times must even-handed members highlight the fact that the US Dollar numbers for International are unadjusted for big currency declines like the UK Pound going down from 1.9812 for Casino Royale to 1.4825 for Quantum Of Solace?

Either people are being intellectually dishonest or they're plain stupid.

[HildebrandRarity]

Or maybe you're just being pathologically ignorant?

In post #486 of this very thread, you say you can still see QoS earning $600m. You say this is spite of the currency differential, so clearly, by your so-called analysis you still expect this movie to earn $600m in spite of the higher dollar value. By extension, you still expect this movie to make at least $400 international to get there. And yet when anyone alludes to the fact that it is still WAY short of that, you throw a hissy fit.

How can I be ignorant when on October 27 in another thread i wrote "I wouldn't go banco on US$ 600 million yet"?

As for the studio, I would imagine that it has hedged against the currency fluctuations, given the size of the stakes.

Hopefully they did.

Australian Dollar is also down 21 pecent. Canadian Dollar down 13 percent. [Of the $167 million US Domestic, Canada was ~ $23.5 million of Casino Royale.] Commonwealth currencies are down. Same with Latin American curriencies...and it only has happened just within the last couple of months.

EUR is down 7 percent and expected to go lower into year end.

So, if Quantum sells just as many tickets as CR, then expect the box office numbers in US Dollar terms to be lower from these jurisdictions.

I wouldn't go Banco on US $600 million yet.

It's a fluid situation. I can see it reaching $600 million inspite of the currency decline but I wouldn't bet on it...I wouldn't bet on it back on the day before the UK Premiere (Oct 27)...but the markets are in a state of flux. We still dont know if the year long recession in America and the deflation that has occurred in the last few months have taken ticket prices down.

[HildebrandRarity]

How can I be ignorant when on October 27 in another thread i wrote "I wouldn't go banco on US$ 600 million yet"?

Why are you referring to a much older post when you made the $600m reference as recently as 2 days ago? Are you time-challenged as well?

Get some sleep, junior.

So, If it gets to $588 or $593 million, are you going to consider it a failure?

[HildebrandRarity]

I grow weary of battle with you my dear Dog.

The fact is, the only true measure between CR and Q0S is total world-wide admissions. Admissions net out ticket price and currency fluctuations.

So, whether it gets to $575 million or $585 million or $599 million or $609 million or $620 million is irrelevant in that 1) Neither you nor I will see a share of it hitting our bank accounts, and 2) Bond 23 has effectively been greenlit.

Have a nice night's sleep.

Love,

HR

[MrKidd]

I think this thread has now run its course. The way Dog Bond is stubbornly, let me rephrase that.. incorrectly analyzing the BO causes this discussion to become very uninteresting. Dog Bond - you must have really hated the movie to be so antagonistic towards it - sheesh - it wasn't THAT bad was it? Either that, or you need to get laid a bit more often! Honestly, thats just friendly advice, I'm not trying to start an argument

Edited by MrKidd, 11 December 2008 - 06:06 AM.

[Jim]

Knock it off, everybody. Boring assertions, boringer argument, boringest topic.

[dee-bee-five]

Knock it off, everybody. Boring assertions, boringer argument, boringest topic.

Well said. The bottom line is that if QoS is a financial disappointmment as some would have us (somewhat unconvincingly) believe, it's precisely the kind of failure I would embrace in my life...

[Jim]

I think this thread has now run its course. The way Dog Bond is stubbornly, let me rephrase that.. incorrectly analyzing the BO causes this discussion to become very uninteresting. Dog Bond - you must have really hated the movie to be so antagonistic towards it - sheesh - it wasn't THAT bad was it? Either that, or you need to get laid a bit more often! Honestly, thats just friendly advice, I'm not trying to start an argument

I don't need your friendly advice. The problem is, fans like you who like the movie can't take it, so you try to get nasty by becoming personal. Laughable...

Take a hint.

[The ides of Mark]

- Great Bondfilm (now and for the years to come);
- The general audience gave a big thumbs up;
- It will outgross CR soon;
- Nuff said.

- Though I'm going to miss the 'QoS has no legs', 'QoS has bad WOM', 'None of my friends liked it'-kind of arguments lmfao! The folks so eager to prove QoS is a box office failure are (wisely) very quiet now.

[[dark]]

I'll be doing my bit tonight by throwing another 12 bucks into the pot. Looking forward to seeing Quantum of Solace a second time, now that I've had a few weeks to digest my first viewing.

[YOLT]

I am here and will talk again

I count on inflation adjusted numbers and I am sorry to say that QOS wont be able to pass CR's injflation adjusted numbers which is about 640m$. And the main reason is appreciation of the US dollar. Bad mouth didnt played much I think.

However I still think QOS will definetly pass 600m$, worldwide. I still think 40-50m$ from international (except Japan, and UK added), 30m$ more from US and another 30m$ from Japan.

I know I said I was expecting 600m$ for 31.12.2008, but now I decrease it to 560-575m$ mark.

[byline]

I'll be doing my bit tonight by throwing another 12 bucks into the pot. Looking forward to seeing Quantum of Solace a second time, now that I've had a few weeks to digest my first viewing.

Same here . . . except it's about 10 bucks CAD. I'm up to No. 7, and will make that at least No. 8 over the holidays. Yeah, I'm like those crazed "Star Wars" fans who lined up around the block for their hundredth viewing. It was the same for "Casino Royale" (and that doesn't include multiple DVD viewings). What can I say? I enjoy the experience of this movie.

[[dark]]

I'll be doing my bit tonight by throwing another 12 bucks into the pot. Looking forward to seeing Quantum of Solace a second time, now that I've had a few weeks to digest my first viewing.

Same here . . . except it's about 10 bucks CAD.

Yeah, I'm a sucker for the cool Scotiabank Theatre at West Edmonton Mall. The one with the firebreathing dragon suspended from the ceiling. It's pricier, but hey, it's got a firebreathing dragon suspended from the ceiling!

[HH007]

I think this thread has now run its course. The way Dog Bond is stubbornly, let me rephrase that.. incorrectly analyzing the BO causes this discussion to become very uninteresting. Dog Bond - you must have really hated the movie to be so antagonistic towards it - sheesh - it wasn't THAT bad was it? Either that, or you need to get laid a bit more often! Honestly, thats just friendly advice, I'm not trying to start an argument

I don't need your friendly advice. The problem is, fans like you who like the movie can't take it, so you try to get nasty by becoming personal. Laughable...

Take a hint.

What Jim said, Dog.

[blueman]

Keep those $10-$12 contributions coming....

As a FYI, theater drops are significant this weekend. Going into the Dec 12-14 frame, QoS will lose 788 theatres in the USA and will be playing on 2,635.

Significant or not? That's a 23% slash. I'm seeing a US$3.5m weekend at best.

Um, were you expecting a November release to keep screens in December? C'mon, all those lame holiday comedies gotta be shown somewhere, lol.

Significant, or normal? Unless it's called "Titanic" it's normal IMO.