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[The ides of Mark]

What's not good about QOS's BO???

At a glance, anything boasting over $500m worldwide looks excellent.

But then you drill down, and discover the production budget and marketing expenses. Unsubstantiated reports put the US figure at about $50m and worldwide, another $120m. Add in your $200m to make the actual movie. More was invested in this film than its predecessor and it's made less. THAT is what's bad.

Nonsense. Dollar for dollar this film is doing excellent (it's still ahead of CR and the theatrical run ain't over yet). You're also forgetting the huge amount of product placement and the simple fact that most money is being made outside the cinema (DVD, cable-/television-rights, merchandise etc.).

[BoogieBond]

Even if Qos made a ball park figure of 560 mill(which is a low estimate), would it still not make a profit ? Even based on a high 200 mill budget
Say out of the total gross 55% is kept by the movie theatres
The production budget is 200 mill
The marketing budget is 150 mill

You have the income of product placement, TV deals, DVD sales and other merchandise which would surely mean that it still makes a tidy profit. Did not CR get about 50 mill from Product placement, about 80 mill from DVD sales, a TV deal of 20 mill(at least) All of which means, Bond 23 is a certainty to be greenlit by any studio boss, even if the budget is slightly less than QOS(say at 180 mill rather than QOS budget of 200 mill)

If QOS is in the Worldwide 10 biggest grossing films of 2008, it would still be considered a success surely.

[HildebrandRarity]

I think Dog Bond is saying (if i'm allowed to speak for her) that CR production budget was $50 million less than Q0S's and so if they both made the same box office, then Q0S is less profitable.

She fails to take into consideration the very real fact that significantly more corporations signed on to Q0S with "tie-in deals" than they did to CR once they noted than Daniel Craig was bankable as James Bond.

All those extra and enhanced tie-in dollars are pure money in the bank for Q0S that CR didn't have.

So while Dog Bond is right on the cost side, she failed to look at the revenue side of the equation.

Regardless, The Broccolis are laughing all the way to bank on this one and none of the profits are going the way of anyone here.

[HildebrandRarity]

She fails to take into consideration the very real fact that significantly more corporations signed on to Q0S with "tie-in deals" than they did to CR once they noted than Daniel Craig was bankable as James Bond.

All those extra and enhanced tie-in dollars are pure money in the bank for Q0S that CR didn't have.

Didn't have?

CR did have product placement from 6 key brands - Sony Ericsson phones, Sony Electronics, Omega watches, Heineken beer, Smirnoff vodka and Ford - including, of course, its Aston Martin brand. Ford alone was a rumoured £15m. Casino probably had about half of its production budget recouped from the product placement.

I've been told -but haven't confirmed - the product placement value in QoS was in the vicinity of US$75m.

That would still have production and marketing costs around $300m.

You need around $600m to break even there...it's currently at $525m.

I'm sure the movie will be profitable after all the ancillary income pours in from DVDs, Broadcast rights...no argument there...

I said "extra and enhanced".

Why do you pick and choose selectively without looking at the whole?

[HH007]

You know, you could be right - or not, but what´s getting on everybodys nerve is your constant nagging. I don´t know, what it is with your ego, that it needs to be right so much - but it sure doesn´t look like one too healthy to me.

Please mind your own business and spare me your sermon. If the news and the reality of the situation isn't good, there's no need to shoot the messenger.

Excuse me, but if you're posting on these message boards, then what you have to say is the business of every member of this site. And btw, this film is hardly a failure at $500+ million, yet you are so desperate to make it seem like one. Why?

[blueman]

Why do you pick and choose selectively without looking at the whole?

Your whole is flawed. You make it seem as though QoS had far more placement dollars but after you deduct this income from the overall budget which was also much higher, exactly what benefit is derived? Quantum still has to recover higher costs.

Where in that is any poor word of mouth? Word of mouth has zip to do with production costs, and as me and others have pointed out it's doing better than CR, '06 and '08 economies adjusted. Wouldn't it be doing (adjusted) worse than CR if there was the bad word of mouth you keep harping on?

Bottom line: more people are seeing QOS than saw CR. That there is some good word of mouth for QOS.

[Germanlady]

Posts about my ego are off-topic and really none of the author's concern.

Is it really? Its normalIMO to find reasons for people trying so hard to be right and more so, if it is only the negative those people focus on. Really bad habit too. AND I don´t shoot the messanger, but I start shooting at the messanger, that keps coming back and back and back after delivering his message. You have delivered yours pages ago - so again - give it a rest until its all over and we know FACTS.
THEN you might be in the pleasing position to throw it in our faces, that you have been so right. But then again - maybe not.

Edited by Germanlady, 17 December 2008 - 07:45 AM.

[Jim]

Dog Bond and HildebrandRarity - consider yourselves both warned. You are sucking the joy out of this place with this miserable and sterile "debate". Whilst, on a personal level, I will never understand the interest in this, on a moderator level I can appreciate that this sort of stuff may appeal to some but that shouldn't require this constant sniping along with it.

If you cannot deal with this subject without the relentless backbiting and chivvying away at each other - and others - then you will have to be removed from it.

I'd say you were being watched, but that probably only feeds the vanity and attention-seeking.

I don't want to know who started it. Know me as the one ending it, though.

[HildebrandRarity]

Dog Bond and HildebrandRarity - consider yourselves both warned. You are sucking the joy out of this place with this miserable and sterile "debate".

If you cannot deal with this subject without the relentless backbiting and chivvying away at each other - and others - then you will have to be removed from it.

I'd say you were being watched, but that probably only feeds the vanity and attention-seeking.

I don't want to know who started it. Know me as the one ending it, though.

Fine with me. And, another thing, I'm not seeking attention. I'm trying to provide facts. Regardless, i'll behave as you'd like me to.

[HildebrandRarity]

By Thursday night QOS should be at $159 Million.

I just checked historic box office numbers for films that have good reviews (based on "fresh" scores on RT) that are in the 9th 10th 11th and 12th place category on the Monday before Christmas/New Years break.

What I found was that every movie in that category - and to a certain extent even movies that were "rotten" - got a boost of 60 to 70 percent during that time from the previous non-holiday week.

If so, Q0S should come out of this weekend at ~ US $ 161.5 Million, then go into Christmas Eve at ~ US$ 162 Million.

From there - December 24 - expect it to get a boost all the way into January 4th, especially since it's the only action/adventure movie with good reviews.

The Day The Earth Stood Still was "rotten" at 20 precent. Valkerie will be the only 'action' movie of note by then.

Given realistic exptrapolations, i'd say that it should easily pass CR by New Year's Day.

From there it'll keep eeking out gains until it's pulled from theatres in February.

Obviously the leaked DVD on the internet from that bitch from the academy won't have helped QOS...and neither will the economic depression and deflationary environment the USA is in.

[Jet Set Willy]

I'm hearing wild predictions on other forums that this film has to do another 100 million just to break even.

As I don't know much about this subject, can someone inform me here on how much QoS cost to make, and how much this film has to make at the BO to break even...?

[DamnCoffee]

Quantum had around a £200million budget, so at over £500million, it's outgrossed itself.

[Jet Set Willy]

Is it true that a film has to make back three times its production budget in order to make a profit, due to marketing and distribution costs...?

And did LTK cost 47m to make and advertise, made 156m worldwide (all 1989 figures) and still had not recouped its initial investment after seven years (after GE was released)?

Again, I'm hearing this elsewhere.

[YOLT]

Quantum had around a £200million budget, so at over £500million, it's outgrossed itself.

Those numbers are US$ arent they I wished the secoond one to be true

[blueman]

JSW, I wouldn't bother worrying about all that - it's just sour grapes IMO, from folks trying to find something bad about a film they didn't like, and projecting that out to the masses (for validation? I dunno, I've hated EON's Bond for years whilst everybody else has seemingly loved him). QOS is doing great at the BO, in a recession. Nothing bad to see here.

[HildebrandRarity]

Again, I'm hearing this elsewhere.

Where are you hearing this?

Q0S cost less than it's budget of $200 Million because the studios didn't have to pay that much to make it. The corporate tie-in partners who had products placed in Q0S paid the studios, thus lowering the $200 Million by about $60 Million thereby making the movie only cost $140 million out of studio pockets.

The rule of thumb is 2 times that budget to break even and 2.5 times to make profit.

So, in order to make money, Q0S has to have a theatrical run of about $400 millio. Q0S will make over $1,000 Million, i.e. $1 Billion, once it hits dvd and rentals and flights and terrestrial tv in 2 years.

Eon and DC have gotten richer from Q0S.

What's your source?

[Jet Set Willy]

Again, I'm hearing this elsewhere.

Where are you hearing this?

Q0S cost less than it's budget of $200 Million because the studios didn't have to pay that much to make it. The corporate tie-in partners who had products placed in Q0S paid the studios, thus lowering the $200 Million by about $60 Million thereby making the movie only cost $140 million out of studio pockets.

The rule of thumb is 2 times that budget to break even and 2.5 times to make profit.

So, in order to make money, Q0S has to have a theatrical run of about $400 millio. Q0S will make over $1,000 Million, i.e. $1 Billion, once it hits dvd and rentals and flights and terrestrial tv in 2 years.

Eon and DC have gotten richer from Q0S.

What's your source?

Check this thread (I'm Sweeney on there, BTW)....

http://danielcraigis...w...&start=5955

[blueman]

Check this thread (I'm Sweeney on there, BTW)....

http://danielcraigis...w...&start=5955

Pretty sure you just answered your own concern, lol. Location, location, location.

[HildebrandRarity]

Again, I'm hearing this elsewhere.

Where are you hearing this?

Q0S cost less than it's budget of $200 Million because the studios didn't have to pay that much to make it. The corporate tie-in partners who had products placed in Q0S paid the studios, thus lowering the $200 Million by about $60 Million thereby making the movie only cost $140 million out of studio pockets.

The rule of thumb is 2 times that budget to break even and 2.5 times to make profit.

So, in order to make money, Q0S has to have a theatrical run of about $400 millio. Q0S will make over $1,000 Million, i.e. $1 Billion, once it hits dvd and rentals and flights and terrestrial tv in 2 years.

Eon and DC have gotten richer from Q0S.

What's your source?

Check this thread (I'm Sweeney on there, BTW)....

http://danielcraigis...w...&start=5955

I won't need to check it. I don't have time for that kind of .

Normally i'd say that but I promised Jim i'd behave.

[YOLT]

I think we can see 170-171m$ by 31.12.2008 in US ofcourse. And finishing at 180-181m$ I hope.

The Japanese Yen is at all time high against US dollar in 13 years time. So 30m$+ wont be a suprise also considering Indiana Jone made there about 53m$

I still hope for 600m$+

[HildebrandRarity]

US$ 158.4 Million after Tuesday night.

It's doing quite nicely.

On target to beat CR handily.

[Publius]

CR was at about $325 million internationally after its seventh weekend, representing 76% of its final international gross. QoS is at about $367 million right now, so has to be at no more than 86% of its final gross to match CR in raw dollar terms internationally, which should be helped by Japan, especially if the Yen continues to rally against the dollar.

[byline]

Question: Why is it opening so late in Japan?

[YOLT]

CR was at about $280 million internationally after its fifth weekend, representing only 65% of its final international gross. QoS is at about $367 million right now, so has to be at no more than 86% of its final gross to match CR in raw dollar terms internationally, which should be helped by Japan, especially if the Yen continues to rally against the dollar.

But we are in the 7th week I can see a maximum of 30m$ added from rest of the world and Japan another 30m$.

[Publius]

But we are in the 7th week I can see a maximum of 30m$ added from rest of the world and Japan another 30m$.

Ack, good catch. Can't see how I missed that.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

'Quantum of Solace' Boosts German Box Office In Fourth Quarter

James Bond contrbutes to 24% jump in theatrical revenue

[YOLT]

Now on the CBn main page...

'Quantum of Solace' Boosts German Box Office In Fourth Quarter

James Bond contrbutes to 24% jump in theatrical revenue

Well in the report it says 42m$ until today but boxofficemojo has these numbers :

$38,178,014 as of 12/14/08 for Germany. It cant gain another 4m$ in 4 week days can it

One of the numbers is wrong of the difference is from the euro-dollar currency calculation difference.

But which one ? It is crucial because if 42m$ is right than we can have an %10 increase in 367m$ automatically

[HildebrandRarity]

The currency markets are moving like mad with the US Federal Reserve Bank cutting interest rates to virtually zero and engaging in Quantitative Easing to prevent an economic depression and deflation.

If currencies now were where they were when CR was out, Q0S would have shattered CR's numbers by now.

I believe Q0S is the number one movie in Germany and Switzerland this year.

UPDATE:

It enters the weekend with USD 159.1 million.

[MrKidd]

I think this thread has now run its course. The way Dog Bond is stubbornly, let me rephrase that.. incorrectly analyzing the BO causes this discussion to become very uninteresting. Dog Bond - you must have really hated the movie to be so antagonistic towards it - sheesh - it wasn't THAT bad was it? Either that, or you need to get laid a bit more often! Honestly, thats just friendly advice, I'm not trying to start an argument

I don't need your friendly advice. The problem is, fans like you who like the movie can't take it, so you try to get nasty by becoming personal. Laughable...

Err, but as I said in my first post I didn't particularly like the film. And everyone can do with some friendly advice now and then. Anyways, - is anyone taking bets on what it'll make in the christmas period??

[blueman]

Just thinking about the series, other than CR EON has tried two other "very personal" Bonds, OHMSS and LTK. Both of those films while respectable at the BO were much lower (especially LTK) than any studio would want IMO. QOS drawing the BO it has would seem to signify that a more personal Bond story line can be a chart-topper, if done well.

Kudos to Forster and the gang for bucking the Bond trend!