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[Publius]

If so, CR's "adjusted" box office would be ~ US$175 million and Craig matching that amount with Q0S would be a huge win given that Moore, Dalton and Brosnan all went down after "adjusting" for prices from their first Bond to their second one.

Actually, TND did do a bit better domestically, although you're right that it was a worldwide drop-off (not only in admissions, but even in raw dollar terms).

Careful, Pubes might say you're acting like a child

Keep proving my point if you want.

Boring assertions, boringer argument, boringest topic.

Okay, you don't like the topic. So what's your point? I understand you addressing the flaming and such that's going on (which also goes on in non-box office discussion, incidentally), but that doesn't change the fact that the film's popular reception is a legitimate topic of discussion, and that includes box office.

I count on inflation adjusted numbers and I am sorry to say that QOS wont be able to pass CR's injflation adjusted numbers which is about 640m$.

How are you figuring that? Adjusting for inflation is a tricky enough science for just the US or any other major market, figuring it out for the whole world puts it firmly in the guess-timate camp.

For instance, even if you were to use US ticket price estimates for worldwide ticket sales (do so at your own risk!), you should first control for the US dollar's significant increase in value since two years ago.

The two pull in opposite directions, and depending on which one is more prominent (probably the dollar's appreciation), CR's true "adjusted" international take could be anything from $375 to $475 million.

[HildebrandRarity]

I concur, Publius.

Where is YOLT getting that number?

Does YOLT know that deflation (not inflation) is gripping western economies. Banks, housing, auto companies are going down the toilet.

So, how is that $640 million "adjusted" number being arrived at?

I'd like links and concrete data. Can you provide that, YOLT?

[HildebrandRarity]

...even if you were to use US ticket price estimates for worldwide ticket sales (do so at your own risk!), you should first control for the US dollar's significant loss of value since two years ago.

The two pull in opposite directions, and depending on which one is more prominent (probably the dollar's depreciation), CR's true "adjusted" international take could be anything from $375 to $475 million.

I think, Publius, you meant to say "the US dollar's significant INCREASE IN value since two years ago/some currencies significant loss of value etc...", correct?

Regardless, Publius is absolutely right about exchange rates.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that since CR, the Pound, for instance, has fallen from 1.9812 US to 1.48 US...that's a 25 percent decline for UK Box Office in US dollar terms.

How will "inflation" make up for a 25 percent decline...especially when the world is in "deflation"?

For a definition of "deflation" look up "Changes in UK and US Housing Prices for 2008".

http://www.globalpro.../United-Kingdom

[Publius]

I think, Publius, you meant to say "the US dollar's significant INCREASE IN value since two years ago/some currencies significant loss of value etc...", correct?

Ack, you're right! I had just gotten so used to saying the opposite for the better part of the last I don't know how many years, when that was accurate.

[blueman]

I predicted a Mon-Thu take of $1.8m and it was actually marginally better coming in at about $2.25m.

Now see, if you start out by predicting an "awesome" take of $2.25m, then you can say it was a "significantly disappointing" $1.8m. C'mon now, learn to play this game!

[blueman]

I'm just sad for you, that this week you only got to use "marginal" and not something really negative. Better luck next week! (aim really high!!)

[The ides of Mark]

I count on inflation adjusted numbers and I am sorry to say that QOS wont be able to pass CR's injflation adjusted numbers which is about 640m$.

How are you figuring that? Adjusting for inflation is a tricky enough science for just the US or any other major market, figuring it out for the whole world puts it firmly in the guess-timate camp.

For instance, even if you were to use US ticket price estimates for worldwide ticket sales (do so at your own risk!), you should first control for the US dollar's significant increase in value since two years ago.

The two pull in opposite directions, and depending on which one is more prominent (probably the dollar's appreciation), CR's true "adjusted" international take could be anything from $375 to $475 million.

exactly

[blueman]

Just saw this: CR and QOS together have grossed One Billion Dollars. That's a one, followed by a helluva lot of zeros. Doesn't suck.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

'Quantum of Solace' Grabs $9 Million Over The Weekend

22nd James Bond film approaching 007's US box office record

[blueman]

$526m so far, very in line with recent Bonds. Good show, EON!

[Germanlady]

$526m so far, very in line with recent Bonds. Good show, EON!

Even though I also feel, it could have done better, where it more mainstream, its definitely still doing better than the recent Bonds apart from CR. We are spoiled with the success of CR and that´s what DC was referring to very early on, when he said, that the success of the one film is a critical point for the next one.

[YOLT]

$526m so far, very in line with recent Bonds. Good show, EON!

Even though I also feel, it could have done better, where it more mainstream, its definitely still doing better than the recent Bonds apart from CR. We are spoiled with the success of CR and that´s what DC was referring to very early on, when he said, that the success of the one film is a critical point for the next one.

It still has the chance to pass CR and reach 600m$. A good christmas can handle it with the help of Japan.

In US it may have another 20m$, by good christmas revenues ofcourse.

[Germanlady]

Just my two cents about the BO from QOS.

We have two films in a row, that made over half a billion each - one close to 600.000 and the other probably a bit under. If we forget for one moment, that one was more expensive than the other (which doesn´t go into account, when counting the number of people buying the tickets), they had a monster hit and the sequal will almost match that. What I want to say is - QOS doesn´t even come close to be a failure, as some people try to make it look. The film with all its flaws (in the mind of many) still manages to grab a hell of a lot of money, which I call a great success - mostly for DC, as he is the constant plus in those two films.

IF Mark Forster hadn´t gone a wild with the lengths of the film and the editing, it would have easily made 650 to 700 Mill, but QOS only falls a bit short compared to the film, it could have been.

Edited by Germanlady, 15 December 2008 - 10:27 AM.

[YOLT]

Just my two cents about the BO from QOS.

We have two films in a row, that made over half a billion each - one close to 600.000 and the other probably a bit under. If we forget for one moment, that one was more expensive than the other (which doesn´t go into account, when counting the number of people buying the tickets), they had a monster hit and the sequal will almost match that. What I want to say is - QOS doesn´t even come close to be a failure, as some people try to make it look. The film with all its flaws (in the mind of many) still manages to grab a hell of a lot of money, which I call a great success - mostly for DC, as he is the constant plus in those two films.

IF Mark Forster hadn´t gone a wild with the lengths of the film and the editing, it would have easily made 650 to 700 Mill, but QOS only falls a bit short compared to the film, it could have been.

Its not Forsters fault. Its about the appreciation of the US dollar. Dollar appericated %30 in the world genarally. If it had stood at the rates of May or June QOS could have passed 700m$ easily.

[Germanlady]

Just my two cents about the BO from QOS.

We have two films in a row, that made over half a billion each - one close to 600.000 and the other probably a bit under. If we forget for one moment, that one was more expensive than the other (which doesn´t go into account, when counting the number of people buying the tickets), they had a monster hit and the sequal will almost match that. What I want to say is - QOS doesn´t even come close to be a failure, as some people try to make it look. The film with all its flaws (in the mind of many) still manages to grab a hell of a lot of money, which I call a great success - mostly for DC, as he is the constant plus in those two films.

IF Mark Forster hadn´t gone a wild with the lengths of the film and the editing, it would have easily made 650 to 700 Mill, but QOS only falls a bit short compared to the film, it could have been.

Its not Forsters fault. Its about the appreciation of the US dollar. Dollar appericated %30 in the world genarally. If it had stood at the rates of May or June QOS could have passed 700m$ easily.

What I meant is, that the film would have made that much money NOW - for sure, as the people were more than willing to love that film - everywhere in the world. Lets say the percentage of people who love/like the film, would have been higher.
I have sen it many times and like it as the beast it is, but still moan the film, we will never see and for that I blame Forster and him alone.

I very much wish the film wings in the next weeks, as it is still a highly enjoyable movie with the best Bond we can have for this time and maybe ever IMO.

Edited by Germanlady, 15 December 2008 - 01:10 PM.

[blueman]

Agree that it could've been made differently, and perhaps more to popular appeal. But doubt it could've been made much better. IMHO.

[YOLT]

Just my two cents about the BO from QOS.

We have two films in a row, that made over half a billion each - one close to 600.000 and the other probably a bit under. If we forget for one moment, that one was more expensive than the other (which doesn´t go into account, when counting the number of people buying the tickets), they had a monster hit and the sequal will almost match that. What I want to say is - QOS doesn´t even come close to be a failure, as some people try to make it look. The film with all its flaws (in the mind of many) still manages to grab a hell of a lot of money, which I call a great success - mostly for DC, as he is the constant plus in those two films.

IF Mark Forster hadn´t gone a wild with the lengths of the film and the editing, it would have easily made 650 to 700 Mill, but QOS only falls a bit short compared to the film, it could have been.

Its not Forsters fault. Its about the appreciation of the US dollar. Dollar appericated %30 in the world genarally. If it had stood at the rates of May or June QOS could have passed 700m$ easily.

What I meant is, that the film would have made that much money NOW - for sure, as the people were more than willing to love that film - everywhere in the world. Lets say the percentage of people who love/like the film, would have been higher.
I have sen it many times and like it as the beast it is, but still moan the film, we will never see and for that I blame Forster and him alone.

I very much wish the film wings in the next weeks, as it is still a highly enjoyable movie with the best Bond we can have for this time and maybe ever IMO.

The maximum affect of "bad mouth" maybe %10. (In reality its about 3-4) Ofcourse it is huge number but considering the %30 loss from the appreciation of the dollar its nothing.

[HildebrandRarity]

"Popular appeal"?

Die Another Day had "popular appeal".

Quantum also has "popular appeal".

I'm happy with what we got.

Also, if you adjust for currency movements, QOS is WAY AHEAD of both DAD and CR.

The one difference (other than CR benifiting from a depressed US dollar which inflated its UK and EUR numbers in 2006) is that the budget was set in Summer, 2007...BEFORE the global financial melt-down and credit crisis.

So, it's true that Q0S cost more than CR. Off-setting that, however, is Q0S's increased corporate "tie-in deals" after companies noted that Craig could be as "bankable" as Brosnan was. So, once CR was a success, the Q0S production effort was boosted by more corporate backers, example, Aston Martin providing seven versions of the DBS for 'free'.

In essence, eventhough Q0S was more expensive to make than CR, it had more corporation dollars backing Daniel Craig AS James Bond than CR did. This financial backing of CraigBond helped to off set much of Q0S's extra production budget.

I'm quite sure the Broccolis are laughing all the way to the bank on Quantum...and they'll continue to do so with all the dvd rentals and sales, cable, in-flight deals in 2009 and the world-wide terrestrial deals with each country that has regular television for years to come. Further, Q0S made new fans who will likely buy the back catalogue, which, in turn, will make the Broccolis even richer.

I don't think QOS made the Broccoli's poorer and I don't think Bond 23 won't get green-lit any sooner or later than it ordinarily would be.

If anything, media outlets are suggesting Bond 23 for 2010 eventhough Wilson said they need a rest and Bond 23 is likely for 2011.

[HildebrandRarity]

oops

[Publius]

Just saw this: CR and QOS together have grossed One Billion Dollars. That's a one, followed by a helluva lot of zeros. Doesn't suck.

So Craig is already a "billion dollar Bond"? Nice.

Anyway, here's one way to look at where QoS will end up domestically...

Casino Royale
31 day total: $137.5 million
Final total: $167.4 million
% after 31 days: 82.1%

Die Another Day
31 day total: $138.4 million
Final total: $160.9 million
% after 31 days: 86.0%

Quantum of Solace
31 day total: $157.6 million
To reach a final total of $181 million (surpassing CR's inflation-adjusted take, using a ticket price estimate of $7.08 for 2008 and $6.55 for 2006), its % after 31 days: 87.1%

If it has the same % after 31 days as CR: $192.0 million
If it has the same % after 31 days as DAD: $183.2 million

[FlemingBond]

Still hard for me to comprehend QOS cost $200 million to make. i didn't see that onscreen compared to CR and DAD.

[Publius]

Still hard for me to comprehend QOS cost $200 million to make. i didn't see that onscreen compared to CR and DAD.

I think HildebrandRarity may have gone into this already, but I wonder whether "it cost $200 million to make" or "it was assigned a budget of $200 million, well before the market crash and maybe even writers' strike, based on the immense success of CR and as a way for the studio to show their full confidence in and support for the next installment in the newly revitalized franchise."

[blueman]

I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but don't let that ruin your raspberry-blowing fest.

[Professor Dent]

Still hard for me to comprehend QOS cost $200 million to make. i didn't see that onscreen compared to CR and DAD.

They did film on location in more countries than in Casino Royale - i.e. where the Bahamas stood in for Madagascar or Prague stood in for Miami. In Die Another Day, the hovercraft chase & Grave's ice palace were a little closer to London than they were portrayed in the movie.

[HildebrandRarity]

After only 5 weekends it's within $10 mil of CR. Should eclipse it no problem.

[Qwerty]

UPDATED...

'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details

CommanderBond.net rounds up all the latest details (Updated Weekly)

[Germanlady]

I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but don't let that ruin your raspberry-blowing fest.

Another big theatre-drop would be a big raspberry for sure...

You know, you could be right - or not, but what´s getting on everybodys nerve is your constant nagging. I don´t know, what it is with your ego, that it needs to be right so much - but it sure doesn´t look like one too healthy to me.

[Stainless Steel Teeth INC]

Even if QOS does top the worldwide box office total of CR (inflation adjusted) would that then make it a better film? Would those that currently have a problem with it suddenly be converted into thinking it is actually worthy?

Of course not. Not all direct follow-ups top their predecessors, The Empire Strikes Back didn't beat Star Wars but does that make it a lesser movie?

The fact is QOS has done very well at a time of a depressed economy and guarantees James Bond will return. For that I am happy.

[HildebrandRarity]

"Currency-adjusted" - which is a more significant "adjustment" factor than "inflation-adjusted" (especially when the world is experiencing deflation) - Quantum Of Solace is running WAY ahead of CR.

Does that mean Q0S is WAY better than CR?

The story on the main page does not highlight the huge currency moves that have taken place since 2006...moves which inflated CR's International grosses when translated to US Dollars.

Notably how the UK Pound has crashed from 1.9812 on Dec 1 '06 to 1.47 on Dec 1, 08...which has cut Q0S's UK gross by about $25 dollars eventhough the Pound numbers will surpass CR's Pound numbers.

[blueman]

What's not good about QOS's BO???