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[dinovelvet]

Definitely. The real disappointment is that QoS doesn't seem to have grown the audience for Bond... although the same could be said for every Bond film since GE, for what that's worth.

US admissions for the last five Bond films:

GoldenEye - 24.7 million
Tomorrow Never Dies - 27.3 million
The World is not Enough - 25.0 million
Die Another Day - 27.8 million
Casino Royale - 25.6 million

I am greatly disturbed that more Americans came out to see TND and DAD than CR. Interestingly these numbers indicate that Yanks are more likely to turn up to a Bond film if its of the "wall-to-wall action" variety. Thankfully the rest of planet Earth is showing some actual taste, here are the overseas/non-US numbers for those films, in $ :

QOS (so far) 372
CR 426
DAD 271 / 320 adjusted to 2008 (roughly)
TWINE 234 / 298 adjusted
TND 207 / 274 adjusted
GE 245 / 341 adjusted

Even adjusting for inflation, CR and QOS have done far, far better than anything Brosnan was in, everywhere except Planet America

So it seems basically you can't please both the US and the rest of the world at the same time with a Bond film. You add more action, the box office goes up in the US but down worldwide. You make it gritty and character-driven and the US drops a little bit. Of course, what is the one movie that saw a spike in both the US and the worldwide box office? DAD! In other words, get ready for crazy CGI and bad puns aplenty for Bond 24

[Kristian]

get ready for crazy CGI and bad puns aplenty for Bond 24

That would be tragic. Like I said in another post, why can't Babs and EON just be content with big-rather-than-massive hits? For one thing, why the hell was QOS so expensive? I just don't understand where the additional $50 mil over CR's budget went. Anyway, I feel the Broccolis should aim (A) Trim their budgets, ( Stop trying to compete with Bourne, since Bourne will always win in the U.S., and © Just settle for box-office in the $130 to $160 million range.

A good friend posited that the reason that QOS was only 106 minutes long is that Marc Forster's marching orders (or perhaps his own desire to be competitive with Bourne) was to make the movie shorter than any of the BOURNE movies (Identity was 118 minutes or so, Supremacy was 111 minutes or so, and ULTIMATUM was 108 minutes).

It's time this pissing contest ended. Bond is Bond, Bourne is Bourne.

At any rate, I hope they don't go down a LALD or DAD or DAF route. Better to stay the course and make slightly lighter version of FRWL. But I have a feeling that won't be the case.

[[dark]]

A good friend posited that the reason that QOS was only 106 minutes long is that Marc Forster's marching orders (or perhaps his own desire to be competitive with Bourne) was to make the movie shorter than any of the BOURNE movies (Identity was 118 minutes or so, Supremacy was 111 minutes or so, and ULTIMATUM was 108 minutes).

I find that unlikely.

[blueman]

I thought he simply made the best Bond since OHMSS. But what do I know.

[HildebrandRarity]

QOS (so far) 372
CR 426
DAD 271 / 320 adjusted to 2008 (roughly)
TWINE 234 / 298 adjusted
TND 207 / 274 adjusted
GE 245 / 341 adjusted

Casino Royale came out when the US Dollar was VERY VERY weak. Currencies flatter CR's number and that $426 number has less to do with quality and more to do with things like the Pound being 1.9812 as opposed to 1.4812 (today)

So adjust the CR number for currencies and it's not that much different than QOS.

[Qwerty]

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[dee-bee-five]

I thought he simply made the best Bond since OHMSS. But what do I know.

Clearly a lot. He did.

[YOLT]

QOS (so far) 372
CR 426
DAD 271 / 320 adjusted to 2008 (roughly)
TWINE 234 / 298 adjusted
TND 207 / 274 adjusted
GE 245 / 341 adjusted

Casino Royale came out when the US Dollar was VERY VERY weak. Currencies flatter CR's number and that $426 number has less to do with quality and more to do with things like the Pound being 1.9812 as opposed to 1.4812 (today)

So adjust the CR number for currencies and it's not that much different than QOS.

I think QOS is ahead of CR if we consider the currencies. Just a %10 difference in rates ( which in reality is higher) would put QOS int. no. at 410m$. If you consider there is also Japan and christmas "the job is done"

My estimates for countries are; UK, Germany and Australia 3m$. Spain another 2m$. and the rest of the world 3m$.

[HildebrandRarity]

The boost I said Q0S would get over the next two weeks is now kicking off:

Monday's ~ half million dollar take in N. America was a nearly 30% increase over the previous Monday.

Monday's take was only - 12% since two Mondays (December 8th) ago.



Now at $161.7 Million after 39 days and WELL AHEAD of CR.

FYI:

CR was $148.9 Million after 39 days, it's 39th day being Christmas Day, 2006, when it took 14th spot at the box office that day behind #13 Happy Feet.

[YOLT]

The boost I said Q0S would get over the next two is now kicking off.

Monday's ~ half million dollar take in N. America was a nearly 30% increase over the previous Monday.

Monday's take was only - 12% since two Mondays (December 8th) ago.



Now at $161.7 Million after 39 days and WELL AHEAD of CR.

CR was $148.9 Million after 39 days, it's 39th day being Christmas Day, 2006, when it took 14th spot at the box office that day behind #13 Happy Feet.

From these numbers 175m$ for USA is gurantee. But I hope for 180m$ or even more.

And to correct Hildebrand Rarity CR was 144,9m$ after 39 days, 4m$ is a important number especially now

[HildebrandRarity]

And to correct Hildebrand Rarity CR was 144,9m$ after 39 days, 4m$ is a important number especially now

Yes, you're absolutely right, YOLT!

Looked at the wrong column.

Bottom line: Quantum is nicely ahead of Royale and should beat it handily as we said it would.

[blueman]

Are those numbers correct??? Over a month in release and $17 mil past CR's take over the same timeframe? I thought QOS sucked, or at least had short legs...

[HildebrandRarity]

Are those numbers correct??? Over a month in release and $17 mil past CR's take over the same timeframe? I thought QOS sucked, or at least had short legs...

YOLT and I are correct about the numbers for Q0S and CR after 39 days of release.

Q0S sucks only in the minds of the very very tiny minority of CBners.

The fact is, Q0S's "legs" are in not too bad a shape in relation to CR's and it's not even Christmas day yet.

Q0S is a better paced James Bond film than CR...Probably the best paced James Bond film ever. And, for some, the best James Bond film ever...period.

[YOLT]

Are those numbers correct??? Over a month in release and $17 mil past CR's take over the same timeframe? I thought QOS sucked, or at least had short legs...

Sometimes I think my life sucks but I live it anyway Yes QOS has short legs but not soo short.

Dont worry we will see 180m$ or at least 175m$

[HildebrandRarity]

It's turning out to be a tough Christmas for many people and that includes the box office. Here's something interesting:

On the Thursday before Christmas 2006, the number 1 movie scored $3.7 million and the number 10 movie scored ~ $850,000.

This passed Thursday, the number 1 movie scored only $1.8 million and the number 10 movie less than $300,000.

Box Office is DOWN over the past two years. The US has officially been in a recession for 1 year and it's dabbling with a depression.

I think a down box office will make it tough for Q0S to get into the $180+ Million area.

[Jim]

It's turning out to be a tough Christmas for many people and that includes the box office.

I think a down box office will make it tough for Q0S to get into the $180+ Million area.

You help put it into perspective, though. I'm not sure the people being made redundant could give a baboon's bottom about whether some film makes money.

[HildebrandRarity]

It's turning out to be a tough Christmas for many people and that includes the box office.

You help put it into perspective, though. I'm not sure the people being made redundant could give a baboon's bottom about whether some film makes money.

Yes. It's a very sad situation almost everywhere. And it's not just people losing their jobs but also older people having their retirement 'nest eggs' battered and younger people getting hit in terms of possibly struggling to make university tuitions, etc.

[MrKidd]

It's turning out to be a tough Christmas for many people and that includes the box office.

I think a down box office will make it tough for Q0S to get into the $180+ Million area.

You help put it into perspective, though. I'm not sure the people being made redundant could give a baboon's bottom about whether some film makes money.

But this is a thread on a James Bond web site about the BO of QOS - so the people posting here obviously are interested in the discussion. If you want to put it all in perspective, lets talk about famine and war in Somalia and be done with the trivial James Bond theme of the site.

[blueman]

Oh, I think it's fair to include some discussion about what is likely affecting the BO.

[MrKidd]

Oh, I think it's fair to include some discussion about what is likely affecting the BO.

Completely agree - as points of fact - ie HildebrandRarity. If someone isn't interested in this discussion I find it pointless to put a downer on it, thats all.

[HildebrandRarity]

QoS will lose another 983 theaters on Christmas Day.

http://www.boxoffice.../...k=52&p=.htm

This is one reason why I have downplayed the possibility of any influx of holiday receipts.

Detractors can paint whatever negative picture they want as per above, but what I maintained early last week stands.

Tuesday put in another ~ $500,000 in the kitty, uping the total to $162.2 Million at 40 days.

Tuesday's (yesterday's) number is an increase of 21 % over last Tuesday. Holiday Boost in effect INSPITE of snow storms across North America and fiscal tightening.



FYI, Casino Royale was at $146.3 Million after 40 days which was Tuesday December 26th, 2006.

It stayed in theatres for 95 days for a $167.5 Million total.

[blueman]

At the risk of sounding like The Grinch Who Stole Christmas...

QoS will lose another 983 theaters on Christmas Day.

http://www.boxoffice.../...k=52&p=.htm

This is one reason why I have downplayed the possibility of any influx of holiday receipts.

This is rather deflating. Casino Royale was averaging over US$1.2m per day around this time exactly 2 years ago. QoS will be struggling to accomplish 20-25% of that.

And with this...I wish all of you including my detractors a festive, joyous Christmas. I'll be off to the UK for a quick holiday.

It's only deflating if you spin it that way...

[jamie00007]

Exactly. Its "deflating" if you leave out facts like twice as many people seeing QoS in the first week than saw CR in its first week. CR was slow burning. This time after people becoming excited by CR many more went and saw it in its first couple of weeks. Makes sense that theres less people seeing it later in the game when so many have already seen it compared to CR at the same point of time.

Edited by jamie00007, 25 December 2008 - 12:20 PM.

[Kristian]

It's turning out to be a tough Christmas for many people and that includes the box office.

I think a down box office will make it tough for Q0S to get into the $180+ Million area.

You help put it into perspective, though. I'm not sure the people being made redundant could give a baboon's bottom about whether some film makes money.

Exactly, Jim. Sadly, there are larger concerns in the minds of many folks at the moment. Families who are struggling as we speak to hold on to their homes while trying to scrape up a semblance of Holiday Cheer at the same time... well, it's just lamentable. I don't blame them from staying away from the cinemas. At any rate, whether or not QOS clears $180 million there's little doubt that Craig and EON will still be living quite comfortably.

[BJMDDS]

The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) had it's run and except for Japan, is D-O-N-E. With a $67.5 million opening weekend in the USA, who would have thought it would be difficult to find a theatre running it at Christmas?! CR was in 1588 theatres during Christmas vs. only a paltry 891 for QOS now! When in the history of Hollywood did a $200 million+ blockbuster film disappear so quickly? It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there. If you bother to factor in inflation from CR, Eon was hoping for at least $650 million for their Bourne Mimicry. To top it off, there was a tremendous amount of negative reviews by major film critics as well. The economy has helped the movie industry as well as people would rather see a cheap film than spend more traveling or dining out, etc. Face facts that QOS did NOT give Eon the response they wanted. Now Craig is even looking forward to having fun with Q and Moneypenny next film(assuming he still will be asked to return). He wants no part of a trilogy arc as well with the first two films he has done. Talk about a turn around. Craig and Eon basically threw the old formula out the window with Craig and turned Bond into a depressed killing thug. Now, do they think they can make him fun again? Not with the dour and sour Craig in the role. MGW wants time off from this. Good. Maybe Broccolli will tire of her new creation and realize the experiment is over.

Edited by BJMDDS, 26 December 2008 - 04:53 AM.

[dinovelvet]

The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) had it's run and except for Japan, is D-O-N-E. With a $67.5 million opening weekend in the USA, who would have thought it would be difficult to find a theatre running it at Christmas?! CR was in 1588 theatres during Christmas vs. only a paltry 891 for QOS now! When in the history of Hollywood did a $200 million+ blockbuster film disappear so quickly? It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there. If you bother to factor in inflation from CR, Eon was hoping for at least $650 million for their Bourne Mimicry. To top it off, there was a tremendous amount of negative reviews by major film critics as well. The economy has helped the movie industry as well as people would rather see a cheap film than spend more traveling or dining out, etc. Face facts that QOS did NOT give Eon the response they wanted. Now Craig is even looking forward to having fun with Q and Moneypenny next film(assuming he still will be asked to return). He wants no part of a trilogy arc as well with the first two films he has done. Talk about a turn around. Craig and Eon basically threw the old formula out the window with Craig and turned Bond into a depressed killing thug. Now, do they think they can make him fun again? Not with the dour and sour Craig in the role. MGW wants time off from this. Good. Maybe Broccolli will tire of her new creation and realize the experiment is over.

You're obviously having a great Christmas.

[[dark]]

The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) had it's run and except for Japan, is D-O-N-E. With a $67.5 million opening weekend in the USA, who would have thought it would be difficult to find a theatre running it at Christmas?! CR was in 1588 theatres during Christmas vs. only a paltry 891 for QOS now! When in the history of Hollywood did a $200 million+ blockbuster film disappear so quickly? It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there. If you bother to factor in inflation from CR, Eon was hoping for at least $650 million for their Bourne Mimicry. To top it off, there was a tremendous amount of negative reviews by major film critics as well. The economy has helped the movie industry as well as people would rather see a cheap film than spend more traveling or dining out, etc. Face facts that QOS did NOT give Eon the response they wanted. Now Craig is even looking forward to having fun with Q and Moneypenny next film(assuming he still will be asked to return). He wants no part of a trilogy arc as well with the first two films he has done. Talk about a turn around. Craig and Eon basically threw the old formula out the window with Craig and turned Bond into a depressed killing thug. Now, do they think they can make him fun again? Not with the dour and sour Craig in the role. MGW wants time off from this. Good. Maybe Broccolli will tire of her new creation and realize the experiment is over.

Erm, merry Christmas.

[dinovelvet]

Erm, merry Christmas.

Yeah looks like Scrooge made a comeback this year eh! This guy hasn't posted in here since Oct. 2006 when he was saying that CR wouldn't make $80 million in the US And now he's reduced to saying that QOS's half a billion isn't good enough, LOL!

Bitter times for the Craig haters indeed.

[Jim]

The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) had it's run and except for Japan, is D-O-N-E. With a $67.5 million opening weekend in the USA, who would have thought it would be difficult to find a theatre running it at Christmas?! CR was in 1588 theatres during Christmas vs. only a paltry 891 for QOS now! When in the history of Hollywood did a $200 million+ blockbuster film disappear so quickly? It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there. If you bother to factor in inflation from CR, Eon was hoping for at least $650 million for their Bourne Mimicry. To top it off, there was a tremendous amount of negative reviews by major film critics as well. The economy has helped the movie industry as well as people would rather see a cheap film than spend more traveling or dining out, etc. Face facts that QOS did NOT give Eon the response they wanted. Now Craig is even looking forward to having fun with Q and Moneypenny next film(assuming he still will be asked to return). He wants no part of a trilogy arc as well with the first two films he has done. Talk about a turn around. Craig and Eon basically threw the old formula out the window with Craig and turned Bond into a depressed killing thug. Now, do they think they can make him fun again? Not with the dour and sour Craig in the role. MGW wants time off from this. Good. Maybe Broccolli will tire of her new creation and realize the experiment is over.

Ah, The Queen's Christmas Message: traditionally reflective and grave, but always imbued with the festive spirit and optimism for better times ahead. God bless you, Ma'am.

[YOLT]

It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there. If you bother to factor in inflation from CR, Eon was hoping for at least $650 million for their Bourne Mimicry.

You dont have any idea about exchange rates between dollar and pound ? I will be suprised if you do!