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[Stainless Steel Teeth INC]

As of 21st December, QOS has got over £50,000 000 in the UK. This is nearly 20% more than the remaining fourteen films in the top fifteen combined and has been in release twice as long as it's nearest competition.

I'm sure the makers of The Day the Earth Stood Still or Australia would love to be in the position of Eon/Sony at this moment in time.

In the current economic climate it's not a straightforward b&w scenario when comparing the relevant box office performances of CR & QOS as HildebrandRarity has taken considerable time to do on this forum.

But regardless of what QOS final tally will be, it has been a worthy success and ensures the continuation of Bond on the bigscreen.

Edited by Stainless Steel Teeth INC, 26 December 2008 - 05:04 PM.

[YOLT]

Maybe the producers have done swap or futures etc. transactions with the theathers or distributor of each country in order not to lose from the appreciation of the dollar.

Is something as such possible ?

[MrKidd]

Yes its certainly possible and I'd be surprised if they didn't hedge their position to some, but definately not all, extent. However, it doesn't hide the fact the QoS has slightly underperformed at the BO, especially in the US market. That doesn't take away from it still being a massive hit, certainly in line with all recent Bond movies - it has nothing to be ashamed of and excuses are not necessary.

Edited by MrKidd, 26 December 2008 - 06:14 PM.

[YOLT]

I was planing a thread about the "so called" 007 fans that wanted QOS to flop. I would have written it when QOS passed 600m$ but as of now after I had the latest US numbers, that number is nearly impossible

Anyway I really want to know why the "so called" 007 fans wanted QOS to flop ?

[blueman]

This is pretty eye-opening: QOS is already #8 for the year at the US BO, CR finished #9 in 2006. Also the last two Brosnan Bonds finished solidly outside the top 10 (#14 and #12, respectively). Seems EON "fixed" things pretty well with the dreaded reboot, Craig looks to be the most successful Bond since Moore's haydays.

[MrKidd]

I was planing a thread about the "so called" 007 fans that wanted QOS to flop. I would have written it when QOS passed 600m$ but as of now after I had the latest US numbers, that number is nearly impossible

Anyway I really want to know why the "so called" 007 fans wanted QOS to flop ?

I guess when something you like/love so much is 'taken away' from you and you no longer recognize it, you feel vindicated if it doesn't do well. I really tried to like the first two Brosnan Bonds but came away so disappointed that I completely lost interest in the other two and was pretty disappointed when they did so well at the BO. However, I certainly didn't feel the vitriol that some people display. There's a thin line between love and hate and I suppose that answers your question.

Edited by MrKidd, 26 December 2008 - 06:58 PM.

[blueman]

Totally, I've been lukewarm about Bond since the 70s (with every good reason, lol). But I was always glad to see him do well, and continue. Do admit to relishing the success of Craig's two Bonds, as that's the kinda Bond I truly love. Always struck an odd note to me, hearing fans say EON wouldn't make money taking Bond in a more Fleming-direction. Obviously not true, just needs to be done right. EON hasn't really tried since the 60s, fantastic that they're going there and doing that, and it's as wildly successful as it is.

[YOLT]

I was planing a thread about the "so called" 007 fans that wanted QOS to flop. I would have written it when QOS passed 600m$ but as of now after I had the latest US numbers, that number is nearly impossible

Anyway I really want to know why the "so called" 007 fans wanted QOS to flop ?

I guess when something you like/love so much is 'taken away' from you and you no longer recognize it, you feel vindicated if it doesn't do well. I really tried to like the first two Brosnan Bonds but came away so disappointed that I completely lost interest in the other two and was pretty disappointed when they did so well at the BO. However, I certainly didn't feel the vitriol that some people display. There's a thin line between love and hate and I suppose that answers your question.

I understand you. I felt the same way. Since 95 I seen 007 movies on cinemas and I really greatly hardly satisfied But I really wanted them to be money-makers to have the chance to be satisfied at the next one.

Wanting a 007 film to flop is like leaving the match and supoort the rival after when your team is loosing 1-0. We had 22 films so far and this is a long journey. If you dont like the movie you can hate it, never watch it, critisize it etc. But when you want it to flop at BO you want it to END. Thats not being a "fan" in my book.

[Kristian]

The Bourne Mimicry(QOS) had it's run and except for Japan, is D-O-N-E. With a $67.5 million opening weekend in the USA, who would have thought it would be difficult to find a theatre running it at Christmas?! CR was in 1588 theatres during Christmas vs. only a paltry 891 for QOS now! When in the history of Hollywood did a $200 million+ blockbuster film disappear so quickly? It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there. If you bother to factor in inflation from CR, Eon was hoping for at least $650 million for their Bourne Mimicry. To top it off, there was a tremendous amount of negative reviews by major film critics as well. The economy has helped the movie industry as well as people would rather see a cheap film than spend more traveling or dining out, etc. Face facts that QOS did NOT give Eon the response they wanted. Now Craig is even looking forward to having fun with Q and Moneypenny next film(assuming he still will be asked to return). He wants no part of a trilogy arc as well with the first two films he has done. Talk about a turn around. Craig and Eon basically threw the old formula out the window with Craig and turned Bond into a depressed killing thug. Now, do they think they can make him fun again? Not with the dour and sour Craig in the role. MGW wants time off from this. Good. Maybe Broccolli will tire of her new creation and realize the experiment is over.

Boys and Girls, pay close attention. THIS is what happens to you if you grow up (and I use that term VERY loosely in this case) and don't have an active Sex Life. You become crabby, pessimistic, and have a very splotchy complexion. Our friend here needs some serious RUMPY-PUMPY this Christmas. Please don't judge him (her? it?).

Just pray for it to get some. SOON.

[BJMDDS]

Predictable responses from the lot here burying their collective heads in the sand. More proof boys and girls? QOS has now dropped to 19th in the USA box office, with a paltry $369,000 taken in Christmas day, and finishing behind Frost/Nixon and Milk to boot! I know you don't like to see such numbers but the truth will always win out. It will probably be pulled next week in most markets, and it's Japan release will be it's last shot at closing in on CR internationally, but HIGHLY doubtful. Your sister website MI6 is also in denial and sees QOS as a great accomplishment. Keep hope alive boys and girls, and maybe Craig will stick around for The Bond Ultimatum, but don't count on it once the bean counters at Sony get to work on the balance sheet for this mimicry.

[Jim]

Predictable responses from the lot here burying their collective heads in the sand. More proof boys and girls? QOS has now dropped to 19th in the USA box office, with a paltry $369,000 taken in Christmas day, and finishing behind Frost/Nixon and Milk to boot! I know you don't like to see such numbers but the truth will always win out. It will probably be pulled next week in most markets, and it's Japan release will be it's last shot at closing in on CR internationally, but HIGHLY doubtful. Your sister website MI6 is also in denial and sees QOS as a great accomplishment. Keep hope alive boys and girls, and maybe Craig will stick around for The Bond Ultimatum, but don't count on it once the bean counters at Sony get to work on the balance sheet for this mimicry.

If predictable, why bother yourself with provoking them, unless it's to cause an argument? Surely you have some other way of spending the only life you'll live?

If not, try.

[[dark]]

It's a curious coincidence that all those who feel like Quantum of Solace tanked at the box office also disliked the film. Very curious.

[dinovelvet]

Predictable responses from the lot here burying their collective heads in the sand. More proof boys and girls? QOS has now dropped to 19th in the USA box office, with a paltry $369,000 taken in Christmas day, and finishing behind Frost/Nixon and Milk to boot!

Wow, how childish can you get? Are you seriously comparing numbers for a film that's been out eight weeks to movies that went into wide release just yesterday? What kind of piss-poor, desperate, barrel-scraping argument is that? Let's see if I can do one - OMG The Dark Knight made a paltry $10,000 yesterday, beaten even by Transporter 3! Bwaa-ha-ha, Batman is a DISASTARR!!!1!!!

I know you don't like to see such numbers but the truth will always win out.

Indeed it will. Let's see, what are we up to today, $535,700,451. Even adjusted for inflation, that's $50 million better than anything Brosnan put out, and its still going. Is that enough truth for you?

It will probably be pulled next week in most markets, and it's Japan release will be it's last shot at closing in on CR internationally, but HIGHLY doubtful.

Ah, finally right about something. No, it won't make as much as CR, Congratulations. Moore and Brosnan's second outings didn't do as well as their first, either. So what?

Your sister website MI6 is also in denial and sees QOS as a great accomplishment. Keep hope alive boys and girls, and maybe Craig will stick around for The Bond Ultimatum, but don't count on it once the bean counters at Sony get to work on the balance sheet for this mimicry.

There is precisely one person in this thread who is in denial, I'll leave you to figure out who that is. Oh go on, I'll give you a hint - it was the guy who said CR wouldn't gross $80 million in the US.

Back to sticking my head in the sand now

[Kristian]

Predictable responses from the lot here burying their collective heads in the sand. More proof boys and girls? QOS has now dropped to 19th in the USA box office, with a paltry $369,000 taken in Christmas day, and finishing behind Frost/Nixon and Milk to boot! I know you don't like to see such numbers but the truth will always win out. It will probably be pulled next week in most markets, and it's Japan release will be it's last shot at closing in on CR internationally, but HIGHLY doubtful. Your sister website MI6 is also in denial and sees QOS as a great accomplishment. Keep hope alive boys and girls, and maybe Craig will stick around for The Bond Ultimatum, but don't count on it once the bean counters at Sony get to work on the balance sheet for this mimicry.

Oh, don't worry about us, BAGGY-JOWL-MOROSE-DANDRUFF-DUNGHEAP-SNIFFER (that is what BJMDDS stands for, right?) Truth is, we don't give a flying jalapeno whether QOS is in the TOP 10 or not. All we care about in the end is that QOS will gross a tad more than CR domestically, and come close to CR's international gross - at the very least. And that will happen within the next few weeks. We will be content that QOS may not have beat CR, but will have done reasonably well. We will be satisfied with that, and look forward to Bond 23. We will be happy because we are Bond fans and support the films - win, lose, or draw.

You, on the other hand, will claim victory when there really isn't one, and then will go back to CRAIGISNOTBOND.COM and pleasure yourself all over a picture of Pierce Brosnan.

Have fun with that.

[blueman]

Who says this ain't a fun place???

[Bradley De La Cloche]

Oh, don't worry about us, BAGGY-JOWL-MOROSE-DANDRUFF-DUNGHEAP-SNIFFER (that is what BJMDDS stands for, right?) Truth is, we don't give a flying jalapeno whether QOS is in the TOP 10 or not. All we care about in the end is that QOS will gross a tad more than CR domestically, and come close to CR's international gross - at the very least. And that will happen within the next few weeks. We will be content that QOS may not have beat CR, but will have done reasonably well. We will be satisfied with that, and look forward to Bond 23. We will be happy because we are Bond fans and support the films - win, lose, or draw.

You, on the other hand, will claim victory when there really isn't one, and then will go back to CRAIGISNOTBOND.COM and pleasure yourself all over a picture of Pierce Brosnan.

Have fun with that.

You go, girl!

[A Kristatos]

Predictable responses from the lot here burying their collective heads in the sand. More proof boys and girls? QOS has now dropped to 19th in the USA box office, with a paltry $369,000 taken in Christmas day, and finishing behind Frost/Nixon and Milk to boot! I know you don't like to see such numbers but the truth will always win out. It will probably be pulled next week in most markets, and it's Japan release will be it's last shot at closing in on CR internationally, but HIGHLY doubtful. Your sister website MI6 is also in denial and sees QOS as a great accomplishment. Keep hope alive boys and girls, and maybe Craig will stick around for The Bond Ultimatum, but don't count on it once the bean counters at Sony get to work on the balance sheet for this mimicry.

This may come as a shock to you BJMDDS, but you know what? Don't tell anyone this, but one day QOS will actually drop out of the top 50! I know, I know, you thought it would be on the box office list forever!

Sorry to disappoint you!

[HildebrandRarity]

...(QOS) had it's run and except for Japan, is D-O-N-E. With a $67.5 million opening weekend in the USA, who would have thought it would be difficult to find a theatre running it at Christmas?!

It is down tremendously in the UK as well and will NEVER come close to the $106 million that CR did there.

LOL!!!



More lies.

There are plenty of theatres showing Q0S. It added another Half-a-million dollars on the 26th to boost it's total to $163.4 Million.

In the UK it is at ~ 53 Million Pounds as of the 21st v CR's final of ~ 55 Million Pounds. It was 9th in the UK as of December 21st. Christmas numbers will get it right on top of CR. UK cinemas take Pounds, not US Dollars.


Quantum is at $374 Million International as of the 21st placing it Number 6 for 2008.

Worldwide total $533.4 Million BEFORE Christmas (Dec 21st).

[HildebrandRarity]

UPDATE:

Weekend Estimates have Q0S adding another $1.5 million on Fri-Sun for a total of $164.4 Million after 45 days in release.

In comparison, CR was at $153.5 Million at the end of it's 45th day which happened to be New Years Eve, 2006.

[mario007]

I wonder if QOS will make it to $175 million in the US ... fingers crossed!

[Fro]

I would guess it'll barely limp past CR's final total and will really struggle to make even 170 million.

Part of it is due to the economy, but the film's legs are quite disappointing compared to Casino Royale. The film is a bit flawed.

[MrKidd]

I would guess it'll barely limp past CR's final total and will really struggle to make even 170 million.

Part of it is due to the economy, but the film's legs are quite disappointing compared to Casino Royale. The film is a bit flawed.

I think that's a fair assessment. Despite the fact that its been a world wide hit I would agree that its flaws have prevented it from being as huge as everyone would have liked.

[HildebrandRarity]

I would guess it'll barely limp past CR's final total and will really struggle to make even 170 million.

Part of it is due to the economy, but the film's legs are quite disappointing compared to Casino Royale. The film is a bit flawed.

I think that's a fair assessment. Despite the fact that its been a world wide hit I would agree that its flaws have prevented it from being as huge as everyone would have liked.

LOL!

You guys make it sound like there was a big drop off in performance like there was with OHMSS (which tanked v YOLT), TMWTGG (which also had a big hit v LALD) and LTK (which got destroyed v TLD).

I hate to break the news, but QOS will have no problem beating CR...a rarity for a second outing in the BondVerse.

[MrKidd]

I would guess it'll barely limp past CR's final total and will really struggle to make even 170 million.

Part of it is due to the economy, but the film's legs are quite disappointing compared to Casino Royale. The film is a bit flawed.

I think that's a fair assessment. Despite the fact that its been a world wide hit I would agree that its flaws have prevented it from being as huge as everyone would have liked.

LOL!

You guys make it sound like there was a big drop off in performance like there was with OHMSS (which tanked v YOLT), TMWTGG (which also had a big hit v LALD) and LTK (which got destroyed v TLD).

I hate to break the news, but QOS will have no problem beating CR...a rarity for a second outing in the BondVerse.

Think you're being overly defensive - who said anything about 'big drop off'? Q0S has been a huge hit BUT based on its opening weekend this should have been a $200mm blockbuster. Yes, it easily exceeded the performance of the movies you've mentioned above - but you have to admit you were hoping it to break the 200 barrier? Yes, No?

Edited by MrKidd, 28 December 2008 - 10:48 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Think you're being overly defensive - who said anything about 'huge drop off'? Q0S has been a huge hit BUT based on its opening weekend this should have been a $200mm blockbuster. Yes, it easily exceeded the performance of the movies you've mentioned above - but you have to admit you were hoping it to break the 200 barrier? Yes, No?

I didn't really expect it to go to $200 million Domestic. I said in either this thread or a thread which got shut down that "I wouldn't go banco on $600 Million yet".

I said that on the night before the Royal Premiere on November 28th (I believe) once I noted how hard the Pound had fallen against the US Dollar since CR was in theatres. Naturally the Pound has nothing to do with US Domestic box office, but I also started another thread wondering if the huge recession in the US would affect US Box office.

Well, it has. It's been a miserable Christmas with prices at the retail level being slashed to bargain basement levels. Box office is DOWN from 2007 during Christmas. This is a fact of people having less disposable income than they did last year or two years ago.

So, no, I didn't think it would get to $200 Mil. I thought $180 Million was possible but not probable.

Also, all retail outlets are cutting prices to boost sales. Who's to say theatre owners haven't done that either?

Is there any hard data which gives us an idea of what ticket prices have done over the past several weeks? How do we know that there hasn't been deflation in movie prices given there's been deflation in all other consumer goods and services, except for Rolls Royces and Ferraris?

AND then there's this:

http://commanderbond...n...&item=52618

Not helped by the leaked dvd by the academy member who got the oscar consideration copy out on the internet illegally.

[Bondian]

Just pray for it to get some. SOON.

8:30 pm good for you?

[MrKidd]

Think you're being overly defensive - who said anything about 'huge drop off'? Q0S has been a huge hit BUT based on its opening weekend this should have been a $200mm blockbuster. Yes, it easily exceeded the performance of the movies you've mentioned above - but you have to admit you were hoping it to break the 200 barrier? Yes, No?

I didn't really expect it to go to $200 million Domestic. I said in either this thread or a thread which got shut down that "I wouldn't go banco on $600 Million yet".

I said that on the night before the Royal Premiere on November 28th (I believe) once I noted how hard the Pound had fallen against the US Dollar since CR was in theatres. Naturally the Pound has nothing to do with US Domestic box office, but I also started another thread wondering if the huge recession in the US would affect US Box office.

Well, it has. It's been a miserable Christmas with prices at the retail level being slashed to bargain basement levels. Box office is DOWN from 2007 during Christmas. This is a fact of people having less disposable income than they did last year or two years ago.

So, no, I didn't think it would get to $200 Mil. I thought $180 Million was possible but not probable.

Ok - fair enough - so we'll have to agree to disagree on Q0S performance. Recessions' actually tend to be good for BO - a fact highlighted by this Christmas where 3 of the new openings beat the current Xmas day champ (Marley, Bedtime and Curious Case). And attendence was never better than the 30s Great Depression! In my opinion, Q0S has done good but not great in North America and if it was a better film then it would have hit 200. The average movie goer has not warmed to Q0S the way they had to CR. But I'm genuinely pleased you liked the film - for me I'd probably rate it somewhere around half-way down. I'm really hoping for the next one to be BIG (I'm not talking BO) - you know, like Goldfinger or YOLT (yes, I love it) - Apart from SC and RM, DC is the only Bond I can see carrying a Bond movie that has that fantastical element to it. I've got a feeling that's what will happen - they'll put some more fun into it next time. Of course I could be completely wrong but I don't think so!

Edited by MrKidd, 28 December 2008 - 11:23 PM.

[blueman]

Movie-going has spiked in the past during bad times, but not this bad time, the BO is down (even with a few odd quick-and-good performers, nothing seems to be lasting out there despite strong openings all over the place). Saying audiences haven't warmed to QOS like they did to CR is projection IMO, especially as the numbers are so very close and CR had the benefit of being released in a very up year for the economy. In fact the closer the numbers get to converging only bolsters MY pet theory: the exact same people went to QOS who went to see CR, just went earlier (ie first day ). So nyah!

[HildebrandRarity]

Yea. I LOVE my Bond-And-Beyond Bonds and I rank TSWLM and Moonraker as Roger's top two!

And, by the way, I meant the Royal Premiere was October 28th, not November 28th of course.

Recessions' actually tend to be good for BO - a fact highlighted by this Christmas where 3 of the new openings beat the current Xmas day champ (Marley, Bedtime and Curious Case).

You're talking about movies from the weekend before this Christmas to the movies that opened this Christmas Day?

I'm talking about the box office numbers from this Christmas in relation to box office numbers from last Christmas.

[MrKidd]

Movie-going has spiked in the past during bad times, but not this bad time, the BO is down (even with a few odd quick-and-good performers, nothing seems to be lasting out there despite strong openings all over the place). Saying audiences haven't warmed to QOS like they did to CR is projection IMO, especially as the numbers are so very close and CR had the benefit of being released in a very up year for the economy. In fact the closer the numbers get to converging only bolsters MY pet theory: the exact same people went to QOS who went to see CR, just went earlier (ie first day ). So nyah!

Agreed - but QoS hasn't won new fans the way CR did. And come on, the whole buzz of QoS from critics to my wife and my best buddy (!) is not there this time round. I hate being the one who's dissing Bond - you've got me in a corner but I stand by my pet theory too!

Yea. I LOVE my Bond-And-Beyond Bonds and I rank TSWLM and Moonraker as Roger's top two!

And, by the way, I meant the Royal Premiere was October 28th, not November 28th of course.

Recessions' actually tend to be good for BO - a fact highlighted by this Christmas where 3 of the new openings beat the current Xmas day champ (Marley, Bedtime and Curious Case).

You're talking about movies from the weekend before this Christmas to the movies that opened this Christmas Day?

I'm talking about the box office numbers from this Christmas in relation to box office numbers from last Christmas.

Pleased to hear we both like our Bond's big (did I really just say that!?). I was actually talking about all time Xmas day openings - previous champ was Ali with 10mm or so..if you're interested that is...many wouldn't!!