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[YOLT]

here are the thanksgiving numbers ...

New 007 holdover Quantum of Solace from MGM/Sony was No. 4 and earned from 3,458 runs a 3-day weekend of $19.5M and for the 5-day holiday $28.1M. Its three-week North American cume is $142M, pacing well ahead of Daniel Craig's first Bond actioner Casino Royale, which ended its 3-week run with close to $116M. Overseas, Quantum of Solace has sold a total of $340.1M in tickets, so its worldwide total to date is just over $482M.

It looks like QOS will end up in the $180-190 million range in the US!

US numbers are just right but Int. numbers seemed weak to me I was expecting 350m$+. The appreciation of the US dollar, what else can be said!

[HildebrandRarity]

It's not just the appreciation of the US Dollar. In many foreign territories, QoS opened very strongly but the drops in subsequent weeks have also been strong.

Oh well, it will still be over US$500 by next weekend....

It's mainly the US Dollar in the UK where it opened strong and didn't drop off as strongly as you suggest.

Look, I started a thread before the UK premiere which stated that even if Q0S put up better numbers than CR in Pound Stirling terms, it still would return less in US Dollar terms.

Look at the USD/GBP cross from two years ago:

Dec 1, 2006....US 1.98 per Stirling

Dec 1, 2008....US 1.54 per Stirling

That's a HUGE difference to make up. Casino Royale's Internationl grosses were certainly inflated by the Dollars weakness 2 years ago.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

James Bond Tops International Box Office For Fifth Straight Weekend

'Quantum of Solace' total gross standing at $482 million

[Elvenstar]

It's not just the appreciation of the US Dollar. In many foreign territories, QoS opened very strongly but the drops in subsequent weeks have also been strong.

Oh well, it will still be over US$500 by next weekend....

Both I suppose.
It will not match CR in UK I think so it will be significant in the final numbers for Qos at the end of its run...BTw when do you think Qos stops earning money at all?
Here Qos is running in small amount of cinemas and it will end its run the next week.
The competition will be tough when that apocaliptic film with Keanu Reeves comes out. And btw what can Japan bring?
Still I remain unsure that it will surpass CR...

Now the sweating can start all over again to make Bond 23 as attractive as possible.

And start praying for the dollar to be strong when it comes
On a side note Seen Twilight this week and now I can understand that talk about laughter during the movie. When I saw it was unstoppble. I tried very hard to sit with serious face but such stupid lines like "Hold on, my monkey" were uttered every 5 minutes I can't even compare it to Qos. I don't consider Qos a masterpiece but in comparison with this it really is one.
The film was enjoyable (relationship with Bella's father, some romantic scenes) and btw had a James Bond-themed party! but overall a very badly acted and funny not in a good way at all. Even some camera angles seemed to 'help' characters appear stupid

[quantumofsolace]

I Know there are some in the know persons here so
A question about big budget movies in general:
How much does it need to make to turn a profit? Does a film like this expect to make profit from its theatrical run or does it expect it from TV and DVD sales? When do they decide if it's worth going for it again?

[YOLT]

It's not just the appreciation of the US Dollar. In many foreign territories, QoS opened very strongly but the drops in subsequent weeks have also been strong.

Oh well, it will still be over US$500 by next weekend....

Both I suppose.
It will not match CR in UK I think so it will be significant in the final numbers for Qos at the end of its run...BTw when do you think Qos stops earning money at all?
Here Qos is running in small amount of cinemas and it will end its run the next week.
The competition will be tough when that apocaliptic film with Keanu Reeves comes out. And btw what can Japan bring?
Still I remain unsure that it will surpass CR...

Now the sweating can start all over again to make Bond 23 as attractive as possible.

And start praying for the dollar to be strong when it comes
On a side note Seen Twilight this week and now I can understand that talk about laughter during the movie. When I saw it was unstoppble. I tried very hard to sit with serious face but such stupid lines like "Hold on, my monkey" were uttered every 5 minutes I can't even compare it to Qos. I don't consider Qos a masterpiece but in comparison with this it really is one.
The film was enjoyable (relationship with Bella's father, some romantic scenes) and btw had a James Bond-themed party! but overall a very badly acted and funny not in a good way at all. Even some camera angles seemed to 'help' characters appear stupid

Well I have no doubts about it. QOS will pass CR both in US and Worldwide. But the question is how much will be the margin

Also because Yen is stronger than US dollar I think in Japan QOS will make 20m$+. Even maybe 30m$.

I think my quess for 425m$ for Int. wont be the truth. It may en up 410m$ as of 31.12.2008 (excluding Japan of course).

[Dekard77]

Indiana Jones and Kingdom of Crystal Skull made $786,001,411 worldwide and no one really liked it. Most of the audience for the film would have been over 25. I loved the movie but had no idea it will be that big.
Dark Knight and Iron Man weren't expected to be big either especially considering that Batman Begins was not a massive hit in US and Robert Downey Jr. was not a favorable choice for Iron Man. Both flicks soared above expectations. Quite good films.

Mama Mia,Twilight and Wanted are massive Hits no one saw coming. All three films had quite different demographics but appealed to world audience. Remember today studios need the foreign markets to sustain movie industry. So I think it's time that most acknowledge that part of foreign sales are as important as US sales. In the past in wasn't the case and even made TD's tenure very difficult.
I think QOS is doing very well and the only thing that hurt this movie in the US was the fact it was released 2 weeks after the rest of the world.

Also CR no one expected it to do well, even the Bond producers were thinking of moderate success.
Overall we all should be happy people of all ages are watching 007 films becuase we will get to see more of it sooner.
QOS will defienetly pass 200 million in US. I know it will happen.

[HildebrandRarity]

How much does it need to make to turn a profit? Does a film like this expect to make profit from its theatrical run or does it expect it from TV and DVD sales? When do they decide if it's worth going for it again?

Normally and as a general rule of thumb it needs about 2.25 times production budget ($200,000,000) to break-even and the rest is profit.

Also, Bond movies are unique because the production budget is helped by companies providing some product and also helping with the marketing budget.

So, yes, Q0S has already made a profit.

The rest of the run is pure profit.

Then you have dvd rentals, cable and pay tv, in-flight movies, and then each country negotiates the terrestrial tv premiere BEFORE the movie is released in theatres (which usually doesn't even get shown until 1 1/2 - 2 years later on regular tv.)

Then, of course, the dvd sales and the game. Pure gravy. Enough for the Broccolis to buy another mansion with a Rolls Royce to go with it.

[BoogieBond]

Yes, that was a good US holiday weekend to stand at $142 mill US, just needs a couple more strong weeks to overtake CRs $167 mill.

I am thinking the $20 mill international is a little disappointing. Its at $340 mill now. Taking into account new markets, would it not be doing really well to hit $400 mill now, or are we looking at a take under that now. Still even 560-580 mill Worldwide would be a great take, to guarantee Craig and Bond 23 hitting the screens soon.

Edited by BoogieBond, 01 December 2008 - 02:19 PM.

[YOLT]

Yes, that was a good US holiday weekend to stand at $142 mill US, just needs a couple more strong weeks to overtake CRs $167 mill.

I am thinking the $20 mill international is a little disappointing. Its at $340 mill now. Taking into account new markets, would it not be doing really well to hit $400 mill now, or are we looking at a take under that now. Still even 560-580 mill Worldwide would be a great take, to guarantee Craig and Bond 23 hitting the screens soon.

The Int. is not 20 but 32, but still lower than I think. CR had done 280m$ by the 5th week so we are still in the front

And dont worry, 600m$+ is gurantee.

[Loomis]

Perusing Box Office Mojo, I note that QUANTUM needs to take only a couple more mil at American cinemas in order to outgross MAMMA MIA! and make it into this year's Stateside top ten.

And TWILIGHT doesn't seem to be eating QUANTUM alive quite as quickly as I'd expected it to.

So, QUANTUM OF SOLACE: American smash, American flop or American middling hit? Will it end up in this year's American top ten?

Well?

[HildebrandRarity]

I don't see the fascination with where it ends up in America in terms of position, given that 13 percent of it is actually from Canada.

It's the total box office which determines profitability and the ease at which Bond 23 can get green-lit and the ease with which it can get 'cheaper' vs more 'expensive' funding given the credit environment.

I mean what if it ended at number 10 in America? So what? What if it were the most expensive movie ever made and ended at number 2 in a year when the entire American box office was off considerably and did only, say, $180 million...and, at the same time, the International was almost zero? How would that help Bond 23 get financed?

"Position" in the US is less relevant that TOTAL and ABSOLUTE "dollars".

Prizes don't get given out for 10th or 9th or 11th or even 4th.

We all know that The Dark Knight is number 1. After that, only the quantum of dollars matters.

[Loomis]

True, but it would be nice to see it in the final top ten. Nice as in the kind of thing that makes you say "That's nice" before forgetting about it altogether.

[HildebrandRarity]

Loomy has spoken.



OK.


PS

I'd rather say "that's nice" if it bangs into the top 5 globally. And then i'd forget about it.


PSS

It won't even be in the TOP 1000 for '08 in Japan.

"Isn't that sad?"

[Loomis]

Japan is a bug waiting to be squashed.

And, Hilly, I just want to see Bond kick , as I'm sure we all do. I want Americans to for once embrace 007.

And yet there's always some cockamamie upstart like HAPPY FEET or TWILIGHT popping up to queer the pitch.

I also want BOND 23 not to be made on a shoestring.

The American box office may not be the be-all-and-end-all, but perception is everything, and rightly or wrongly success in the United States is perceived as a wonderful and prestigious thing.

[HildebrandRarity]

Yes, that was a good US holiday weekend to stand at $142 mill US, just needs a couple more strong weeks to overtake CRs $167 mill.

I am thinking the $20 mill international is a little disappointing. Its at $340 mill now. Taking into account new markets, would it not be doing really well to hit $400 mill now, or are we looking at a take under that now. Still even 560-580 mill Worldwide would be a great take, to guarantee Craig and Bond 23 hitting the screens soon.

The Int. is not 20 but 32, but still lower than I think. CR had done 280m$ by the 5th week so we are still in the front

And dont worry, 600m$+ is gurantee.

The US Dollar's strengh is eating into Quantum's International grosses.

LOOK AT THE POUND TODAY!!!

It's getting pounded down to 1.48 this morning at 11 o'clock in New York trading.

Let me illustrate the point in case others have failed to inderstand what i'm saying:

In 2006, CR made 55 million pounds at the UK box office. On Dec 1, 06, the accountants took the 1.9812 closing cross rate to generate the reported US Dollar box office for the UK as ~ $109 million

Today, two years later to the very day, that 55 Million pounds is only $82 million!

Same amount of Pounds Stirling but today it's about $27 million less!

*This* is the kind of stuff Q0S's box office has to deal with. *This* is the kind of stuff from which CR's reported dollar box office BENIFITED.

Can anyone in England tell us what Q0S's UK box office to date is in Pounds? Please and thanks in advance.

[bondrules]

12/1 = Worldwide: $482,568,652

[Qwerty]

UPDATED...

'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details

CommanderBond.net rounds up all the latest details (Updated Weekly)

[quantumofsolace]

Yes, that was a good US holiday weekend to stand at $142 mill US, just needs a couple more strong weeks to overtake CRs $167 mill.

I am thinking the $20 mill international is a little disappointing. Its at $340 mill now. Taking into account new markets, would it not be doing really well to hit $400 mill now, or are we looking at a take under that now. Still even 560-580 mill Worldwide would be a great take, to guarantee Craig and Bond 23 hitting the screens soon.

The Int. is not 20 but 32, but still lower than I think. CR had done 280m$ by the 5th week so we are still in the front

And dont worry, 600m$+ is gurantee.

The US Dollar's strengh is eating into Quantum's International grosses.

LOOK AT THE POUND TODAY!!!

It's getting pounded down to 1.48 this morning at 11 o'clock in New York trading.

Let me illustrate the point in case others have failed to inderstand what i'm saying:

In 2006, CR made 55 million pounds at the UK box office. On Dec 1, 06, the accountants took the 1.9812 closing cross rate to generate the reported US Dollar box office for the UK as ~ $109 million

Today, two years later to the very day, that 55 Million pounds is only $82 million!

Same amount of Pounds Stirling but today it's about $27 million less!

*This* is the kind of stuff Q0S's box office has to deal with. *This* is the kind of stuff from which CR's reported dollar box office BENIFITED.

Can anyone in England tell us what Q0S's UK box office to date is in Pounds? Please and thanks in advance.

I read today that it's currently just short of 50 million pounds

Edited by quantumofsolace, 02 December 2008 - 05:43 AM.

[Stainless Steel Teeth INC]

You can check on the current UK box office total here;

http://www.launching...fteenfilms.html

[YOLT]

$887,504 For Monday (US)

$142,306,038 / 18 Total

Really huge but expected drop. This weekend we will pass 150m$ and I hope for 155m$.

I think CR's 167m$ can be passed in 3 weeks time.

[thanasis]

UK total stands at 47,6m GBP.

It is dropping at a steeper rate than CR however with the xmas period approaching and the UK's fascination for bond during the festive season, it should just about scrape past the 55m GBP mark by the end of its run.

I think it is has become a global trend, that word of mouth has weakened the earning potential the film showed with its openings everywhere. The unfortunate thing is that the general lukewarm sentiment the film has generated will impact the anticipation for the next film. You can contrast that with the excitement CR left all audiences, which was carried over to the opening weekends for QOS, hence giving us the massive openings accross the globe.

Word of mouth is a big thing in box office terms, an opening weekend gross is merely a headline for a studio's marketing team.

[dinovelvet]

$887,504 For Monday (US)

$142,306,038 / 18 Total

Really huge but expected drop. This weekend we will pass 150m$ and I hope for 155m$.

I think CR's 167m$ can be passed in 3 weeks time.

Just for comparison's sake, here are the US numbers for QOS, CR, and DAD after the three week mark, after all of them had a Thanksgiving boost :

QOS $141.4
CR $115.8
DAD $120.2

DAD went on to make 160, CR made 167. So if QOS performs the same way, it looks like it'll finish between $180-90.

[YOLT]

$887,504 For Monday (US)

$142,306,038 / 18 Total

Really huge but expected drop. This weekend we will pass 150m$ and I hope for 155m$.

I think CR's 167m$ can be passed in 3 weeks time.

Just for comparison's sake, here are the US numbers for QOS, CR, and DAD after the three week mark, after all of them had a Thanksgiving boost :

QOS $141.4
CR $115.8
DAD $120.2

DAD went on to make 160, CR made 167. So if QOS performs the same way, it looks like it'll finish between $180-90.

Yes 180-190 mark seems the reality. I can see it passing 190 but not 200m$. It will be passed by Bond 23 ofcourse

[YOLT]

From now on I am expecting another 45m$ from Europe (including UK), 30m$ from Japan and 35m$ from the rest of the world ( hoping Austrilia giving another 10m$ or more). So 450m$+ will be my international figure.

[bondrules]

12/2 = Worldwide: $483,832,459

[HildebrandRarity]

Well, YOLT is expecting $450M from international and $180M from US Domestic for a total of $630M.

I think YOLT is being optimistic on international given the huge decline from some currencies like the Pound.

[YOLT]

Well, YOLT is expecting $450M from international and $180M from US Domestic for a total of $630M.

I think YOLT is being optimistic on international given the huge decline from some currencies like the Pound.

Optimistic. Well no I dont think so. So what are your estimates 425m$ ?

[YOLT]

Where is this 450m coming from in the international markets? Japan's the only one left with maybe about $20m to add to the kitty. And I just know loads of Jap fans are downloading that very clear dvd rip with the 'for your consideration' subtitle that briefly appears every 20 mins or so.

I don't think QoS will go far north of $550m in total.

550m$ I just laugh at that number. Its been only a month since the release, and we are at about 480m$. Come on. USA got atleast 30m$ and so is Japan. It will pass 600m$. Do you want to bet, anything you want

[HildebrandRarity]

Where is this 450m coming from in the international markets? Japan's the only one left with maybe about $20m to add to the kitty. And I just know loads of Jap fans are downloading that very clear dvd rip with the 'for your consideration' subtitle that briefly appears every 20 mins or so.

I don't think QoS will go far north of $550m in total.

550m$ I just laugh at that number. Its been only a month since the release, and we are at about 480m$. Come on. USA got atleast 30m$ and so is Japan. It will pass 600m$. Do you want to bet, anything you want

I'll bet anyone it'll be above $609 mil world-wide but no higher than $639.

C'mon...it's a nice tight two way market!

Let's in' trade!